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Please give me a standalone ESPN app that I can watch live TV (without having a cable tv subscription) on my apple TV for $4.99 a month, or even $9.99 :D

The low price is a little wishful. ESPN already makes over $5 per cable subscriber! That includes all those cable subscribers who never watch sports.

I'm guessing $20/mo for standalone ESPN. I'll be happy to pay the $20 and finally be able to cut the cable cord.
 
I see quite a few issues...
- Why a TV set? Apple could release all this functionality in an upgraded Apple TV box for $99. I see no reason why I should get a TV (screen) from Apple ? Most people I know are happy with their current HDTV. All I want is a new hockey puck from Apple (Apple TV box on steroids) and an HDMI cable.

Cos there's no profit made from a $99 hockey puck and you still have a fugly TV UI overlay and a remote with 50 buttons that most of which you have no idea what'll do.

It'll be a flat panel that'll look like most other flat panels out there, but the UI will be slick, you'll be able to search across the all sources, there'll be a real API that developers will actually want to write to. Most importantly there won't be the switch to input 2, 3 or 4 for AppleTV and wait for it to wake up.
 
And please add a premium charge to get rid of all commercials and I'll pay that too, my channel skipping finger is getting tired.

That is why I would rather have better buys of shows. Including production companies/nets taking us buyers more seriously and not screwing us over with feature stunts etc.

The time has more than come to detach production from ad revenue as the single most important metric.
 
I'd be so happy if Apple simply updated the AppleTV box to allow passthrough HDMI and allow me to actively airplay without having to switch inputs.
 
ESPN charges cable companies $15-20/month.

It's much closer to $5. Which is still the highest amount for any channel on basic cable. Every subscriber is paying $5.

Compare this to HBO charging $20/month, where only a small percentage pays for the premium HBO package.
 
Cos there's no profit made from a $99 hockey puck and you still have a fugly TV UI overlay and a remote with 50 buttons that most of which you have no idea what'll do.

1. Profit comes from the 30% of your IAP subscription to the channel/pack
2. No TV overlay, your UI is from the Apple TV. Which could use a little work yes, like simply adopting the same iOS icons, customizing layout etc. But is hardly fugly
3. Remote is like six buttons or you can use the Remote app. Which could be really nice on an iPad if the channel wants to have second screen activities. You could have the app on your iPad inked to the ATV one and have your twitter feeds or whatever in your lap and not cluttering the TV.
 
This is a step in the right direction, but I'd rather pay-per-show than pay-per-provider.

The podcast model works perfectly. I subscribe to the shows I want, new episodes download when ready. Add a method of payment and we're done.

Or keep it free and put ads in it.
 
makes sense to circumvent the cable providers and offer individual channels/shows as apps. People are pretty cheap (look at all the cable cutters who always pop up in these threads wanting something for nothing), so remains to be seen how well that'll work.

Bitter, much? Is it that annoying to you that some people can find entertainment in their lives without paying Comcast for the privilege?
 
some people are dumb and will a la carte themselves to high prices

time warner and comcast both offer cable + internet for $90. stand alone internet is $50. why would i spend close to $40 a month for a few channels when i could just buy the whole package and get the streaming with it as well

unless ESPN and others will start selling the streaming separate and it won't be part of the cable TV price

I imagine there are a lot of folks just like me who only want 3-4 channels
None with people chasing little balls or tires involved

Ought to get that for way way under $40/mon
And in summer I hardly turn on the tv so don't pay a dime if I don't want to
 
Finally something good from Apple!I very much like the idea to bring program's as individual apps. I'm always watching more or less the same programs and as a consumer I don't care from which station they are. So if you can organize all your programs the way you like then this is a good thing!
 
NFL is going to go for $1/billion/year to whoever licenses them.

You can figure out the subscriber content costs for that just from that number.

NFL gets $1b now. It's going to want well over that for an exclusive deal once the DTV contract expires. If NFL goes for non-exclusivity it's still going to want over $1b but in the aggregate among all licensees. The only reason Apple would gamble on exclusivity is to suck the air out of all other streamers in the U.S. NFL already offers streaming outside the U.S.
 
I don't even particularly want channels. I want better access timing, quality etc to the shows I buy. I don't want to have to wait two years, be missing subtitles and alt audio, have them release box sets both features that were missing in the season so I would have to buy it all again etc

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I think that is exactly what it will be. Apple might make a TV worthy Cinema Display but I don't see them making a TV.

A new puck, perhaps with a major spec bump is what I see. And it will sell even at twice the cost.

A TV from Apple is a stupid idea.
They are going to compete with Samsung, Panasonic and the others that actually make panels?

How many different sizes?
I see an actual TV as an "epic fail".
A new puck is a better thing. A full STB would make sense, extended AppleTV functionality.

I'm not dumping my Panasonic TV that integrates well with my Panasonic BlueRay player and gives me a single remote.

People don't buy TV's like they do iPhones.
 
Why should I let ESPN or any channel curate the content at all? I want access to buy the content, not the channel.

Because typically the channel foots the bill to create its own content. ESPN foots the bill to cover the sporting events that air on ESPN. NBC foots the bill to pay for the Tonight Show and Law & Order: SVU. Showtime and HBO foot the bills to pay for Dexter and Game of Thrones (respectively). Etc.. Yes, there is syndication and some content is pre-made and then sold, but TV networks are typically more like manufacturers selling direct to the public than middleman conduits like Best Buy or Macy's.
 
This is a step in the right direction, but I'd rather pay-per-show than pay-per-provider.

The podcast model works perfectly. I subscribe to the shows I want, new episodes download when ready. Add a method of payment and we're done.

Or keep it free and put ads in it.

+1

I feel the same way. I was paying about $1200 a year for satellite with Bell here in Canada.

I told the Bell folks that I wouldn't care if I paid the same amount per year - provided I get to CHOOSE what I want to watch instead of being forced to buy the extra movie package in order to watch 1 or 2 shows etc...

I told them they had us by the balls the last 50 years, but TV delivery is changing and they best be waking up if they want to be relevant in the near future.

This article proves that things are hopefully heading in that direction!

Cheers,
Keebler
 
If it weren't for local blackouts via MLB.TV, I would have already cut the cord. But alas, the blackouts exist, and I'm not willing to give up live baseball (FSN and TBS, namely). Red Zone via NFL Network is holding me back as well.

By the way, if you think ESPN would sell its flagship station only directly to consumers, think again. You would undoubtedly be purchasing a package that includes ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPNEWS, ESPN U, ESPN Classic, The Longhorn Network, and possibly ESPN Buzzer Beater.
 
A TV from Apple is a stupid idea.
They are going to compete with Samsung, Panasonic and the others that actually make panels?

You could have said the same of Samsung & LG in 1984 trying to go against Sony.

You could have said the same of Sony going against RCA & GE in the 60s.
 
By the way, if you think ESPN would sell its flagship station only directly to consumers, think again. You would undoubtedly be purchasing a package that includes ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPNEWS, ESPN U, ESPN Classic, The Longhorn Network, and possibly ESPN Buzzer Beater.

Don't forget ESPN 3. And I agree. They'll charge $30/mo minimum for it too.
 
I would pay exactly what I pay now to have:
-Exactly the channel lineup I want
- no bs channels, ie. religious, shopping
-Everything available on-demand on same day as it airs, so no in-home DVR required

And please add a premium charge to get rid of all commercials and I'll pay that too, my channel skipping finger is getting tired.

Do tell (everyone), what is that right price per al-a-carte channel? And what is that premium some will pay for "commercial free"?

The math in al-a-carte will not be (number of channels "I" get now)/(what I pay now) = cost-per-channel... then (cost-per-channel)*(number of channels I actually want) = (new, heavily reduced monthly fee). For example 200 channels/$100 = 50 cents per channel. I want 10 channels so my new monthly bill should drop from $100 to $5. You can't pull 85-95% out of the revenue stream and expect the same quality & breadth of depth of programming to continue. You can't pull 85-95% out of the revenue stream and expect the same ROI potential to remain to keep motivating new show entrepreneurs to take the high risks of trying to bring new shows to market.

Instead, al-a-carte would probably be set up to make all existing players MORE money- not less-than they make now. Else, why are they motivated to actually change? On top of that, add Apple's 30% so that they can plug in as the new Comcast, Time Warner, etc.

Through who's pipes does Apple's replacement completely depend? Aren't the owners of those pipes the very companies that would feel the great pain if Apple was allowed to take their video subscription businesses? How can we possibly imagine that even if Apple somehow delivered a cheaper option, the cable companies that are also our broadband providers would not just make up the difference in higher broadband rates? You know they would. Why wouldn't they? Where you going to go?

And then there is this near complete ignorance to the whole television subsidy model. Commercials throw a TON of money into the system to make it all go. That's other people (the companies that buy all that commercial space) paying into the system to help subsidize the total cost of all that programming we covet. How much is that? I've done the math. To eliminate the commercials but not kill that revenue, every household in America would need to pay more than $50 per month. Is $50 per month a "premium" people would pay for commercial free?

All this commercial revenue subsidy is mostly made by the commercials that play on those "hundreds of channels we never watch." So we don't even have to tolerate seeing those commercials for the revenue they generate to help pay for some of the stuff that we do want to watch. Instead of killing the (subsidy) golden goose, the better option is to use the technology probably already in your satt/cable box to hide the channels you don't want to watch. Then, your guides will show only the channels you actually want to watch and all of those other channels can still run invisibly in the background, playing commercials you'll never see, throwing money into the machine so that the Studios that make the stuff you do want to watch keep making what they need to deliver the same quality & breadth & depth of programming that you like.

So many of us seem so foolish when it comes to this dream. We somehow think that Apple can inject itself (and take it's big cut), the Studios that make the stuff we actually want will not take the hit, our broadband providers will just roll over and let Apple take their TV revenues and not raise rates and that somehow we will end up paying a fraction of what we pay now. Read that a few times and realize how unlikely that is.

To have any chance as dreamed, a companion rumor is needed that would allow Apple's replacement to bypass those middlemen (cable companies that are also the broadband providers). Apple cannot strike some magical deal with content providers to get around the fact that our link to iCloud flows through the toll booths of companies named Comcast, Time Warner, etc. Just as Apple innovating an iPhone did not result in 85-95% lower cell service costs for us masses, there is no 85-95% savings solution in Apple inventing a new :apple:TV or television with internet-delivered service.
 
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A TV from Apple is a stupid idea.
They are going to compete with Samsung, Panasonic and the others that actually make panels?

How many different sizes?
I see an actual TV as an "epic fail".
A new puck is a better thing. A full STB would make sense, extended AppleTV functionality.

I'm not dumping my Panasonic TV that integrates well with my Panasonic BlueRay player and gives me a single remote.

People don't buy TV's like they do iPhones.

A phone from Apple is a stupid idea. They are going to compete with Palm, Blackberry, and Nokia and the others that actually make phones.
 
A phone from Apple is a stupid idea. They are going to compete with Palm, Blackberry, and Nokia and the others that actually make phones.

Phones are commonly replaced items. TVs are expected to last 5+ years. Name one Apple hardware product that follows that mold.
 
If cable companies start losing revenue, they will just increase the price of internet service to everyone. And/or worse, have tiered plans. COUNT ON IT!
 
The ONLY way this will work, IMHO, is for the content providers to allow a free episode per "Show" they are hocking as content. IF they limit samples to 2 minutes of an advertizement, then they are doomed to fail.

Subscription based services will flounder if I can't REALLY sample the wares that are being pushed.

Also, if I have to "install" something to BROWSE content from a "new" channel/source, then it will simply not get installed.

The content providers must adhere to the "guy remote" style of browsing - simple to do, REAL content for sample, easy to stay put and subscribe. If they don't, they and Apple are bound to fail miserably.

Again - IMHO.
 
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