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You know, it might be possible for Apple to run OS X apps on next gen Intel chips with little to no modification. Intel is ahead of AMD in CPU virtualization, but they both are working on it. Intel's multi OS virtualization should show up in desktops this year according to news.com. cnet virtualization
 
jiggie2g said:
If Apple is going x86 all I can say is about damn freakin time , as OSX would scream on my Athlon 64@2.4ghz , Geforce 6600GT , and NF4 PCIe MB ..none of which are available on the mac side.

What makes you think that OSX won't scream on a new Dual 2.7Ghz PowerMac?
 
greenfluke said:
You know, it might be possible for Apple to run OS X apps on next gen Intel chips with little to no modification. Intel is ahead of AMD in CPU virtualization, but they both are working on it. Intel's multi OS virtualization should show up in desktops this year according to news.com. cnet virtualization

Interesting story - thanks for the link.
LG
 
greenfluke said:
You know, it might be possible for Apple to run OS X apps on next gen Intel chips with little to no modification. Intel is ahead of AMD in CPU virtualization, but they both are working on it. Intel's multi OS virtualization should show up in desktops this year according to news.com. cnet virtualization

That's to virtualize multiple x86 computers on one, not to emulate other architectures.
 
Abercrombieboy said:
What makes you think that OSX won't scream on a new Dual 2.7Ghz PowerMac?


Because none of which i mentioned is available on mac , The G5 is a 2yr old computer being kept alive by incremental speed bumps. Not new Technology.
Like I said b4 the G5 is using technology from 2003.

Plus OSX dosen't scream on a dual 2hz or a dual 2.5ghz i still have seen that spinning beach ball.
 
thats entirely to do with ram, if you run out you beachball.

pci express and the faster types of ram are not that big a deal, it makes little real world performance gain it may have less of a 1337 factor to you but it dose not make much of a difference, all the fastest current gen cards are available and SLI has little use on a mac seeing as it's not a gameing platform.

i'd bet money that a G5 with a 6800GT the same amount of ram and a 2.5GHz cpu (one disabled with chud) would demolish your AMD in real world benchmarks.

apple cant afford to update the logic board designs every time a new technology comes allong, a (majorly) new logic board comes every 4 years or so and last i looked the g5's one is nearly 2 years old, it's always been this way and it cant really change stop bitching about it.
 
greenfluke said:
You know, it might be possible for Apple to run OS X apps on next gen Intel chips with little to no modification. Intel is ahead of AMD in CPU virtualization, but they both are working on it. Intel's multi OS virtualization should show up in desktops this year according to news.com. cnet virtualization

Sorry..one question here..Is this "Virtualization" technology similar to the partitioning technology that IBM came up with at the beginning of the year?
 
abrooks said:
As much as I hate to read this flapdoodle, I see no reason why we cannot imagine the opposite, is it possible that Intel are dabbling with PowerPC architecture, as someone has already mentioned Microsoft and many other companies are moving to this architecture for games consoles, maybe Intel have seen the light.


They wouldn't be talking to Apple, then. They'd be talking to IBM. Apple doesn't manufacture their chips.

I think it's more likely that Apple is going to open up the Mac OS to the x86 platform, while still keeping the PPC. There are so many converts just waiting in the wings, and the Mac Mini just seems weak.
 
jiggie2g said:
Because none of which i mentioned is available on mac , The G5 is a 2yr old computer being kept alive by incremental speed bumps. Not new Technology.
Like I said b4 the G5 is using technology from 2003.

Plus OSX dosen't scream on a dual 2hz or a dual 2.5ghz i still have seen that spinning beach ball.

Erm, and the AMD 64 architechture is from.... 2003! :p
 
The PowerPC architecture was originally intended to be clonable. What was that company that was going to make some high end chips for Apple at one time? I forget their name - they ended up suing Apple when it was all done, but the G3 ended up being faster than their fastest chip and that killed them. But, Intel could make PowerPC chips. Maybe even make an x86/PowerPC hybrid chip.
 
jiggie2g said:
Because none of which i mentioned is available on mac , The G5 is a 2yr old computer being kept alive by incremental speed bumps. Not new Technology.
Like I said b4 the G5 is using technology from 2003.

Plus OSX dosen't scream on a dual 2hz or a dual 2.5ghz i still have seen that spinning beach ball.

Pentium 4 is much older than 2 years.

OS X Tiger 'screams' on my Dual 2Ghz PowerMac G5 which has 2GB RAM.
 
Wow, I'm not about to read through 600 posts, but I think some are over reacting to Intel.

If Apple switched then it wouldn't be to P4's. They are dead. They would switch to the Pentium M (Centrino) chips. Overclocking this chip to 2.5Ghz it will outperform all high end Intel and AMD chips, yes including the FX series. It will also have low power consumption and all that good stuff.

Here's a link!

Conclusion: The Pentium 4 Must Go (alternatively: Kill The Pentium 4!)

Let us try to sum up the insights we have gained during the course of this little project.

With the help of a simple socket adapter card and a BIOS upgrade, certain mainboards using Intel's 865/875 chipsets can be upgraded to use a Pentium M instead of a Pentium 4. Such a system offers up-to-date performance paired with low power requirements.

Additionally, we were able to raise the FSB from 133 to 160 MHz without any trouble at all. The result was that our 2.13GHz Pentium M 770 ended up running at 2.56 GHz! At this clock speed, our two year old platform was able to beat the processor heavyweights Athlon 64 FX and Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition in all 3D games!

In all of the application benchmarks, the Pentium M really shows what it's made of. Even without an integrated memory controller, the Pentium III's heir is as fast as an Athlon 64 on a clock-for-clock basis - and eats the in-house competition for lunch. Only the low-level tests, the synthetic benchmarks and optimized applications continue to be dominated by the Pentium 4 - despite such advanced technologies as HyperThreading and/or SSE3. Encoding and rendering therefore remain the Pentium 4's forte.

After analyzing the benchmark results, it is easy to imagine what a Pentium M running at 2.8 GHz or more would be capable of, not to mention what DDR2 memory could do - if only the upper echelons at Intel were willing to take hold of the wheel and change course.

If we leave the Pentium M out of the picture for a moment, the Pentium 4 doesn't look half bad at first; without question, it offers excellent performance. But as soon as we begin to factor in the system's overall power consumption, our eyebrows begin their skyward ascent. When idle, a Pentium 4 system draws about a third more power than a Pentium M system. Once the Pentium 4 is put under a heavy CPU load, this disparity increases to a whopping 80%; the reason is that the Pentium M draws only a little more power under load, while the P4 system, on the other hand, devours twice as much power as when sitting idle. For all this extra power, the P4 runs not even a third faster than the Pentium M at its stock clock speed (2.13 GHz)! Quo vadis, Intel?

These results once again impressively demonstrate the dead end into which Intel has maneuvered itself with the Netburst architecture as far as efficiency is concerned. And quite unnecessarily, too, seeing as the company has a powerful and energy efficient alternative just waiting to be exploited.

However, very recently, Intel publicly confirmed it was about to make a move away from the Netburst architecture of the Pentium 4 - it seems the company is aware of the P4's crumbling acceptance. We can only hope that Intel will bring us more sensible products in the future.

Meanwhile, AMD should begin preparing a suitable answer to Intel's upcoming accelerated 65 nm dual-core processor, code named "Conroe." Care to guess upon which architecture this design will be based?
 
DavidCar said:
Apple Computer plans to announce Monday that it's scrapping its partnership with IBM and switching its computers to Intel's microprocessors, CNET News.com has learned.

http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM,+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede

-DavidCar

Hmm, well, this is certainly news. But, for the afore-mentioned reasons spaken about ad-nauseum in this thread, I still have to wait and see. This is such a major move, I just still don't see the business case justifying it. Especially considering this story published today.

We'll just have to see what 'ol Uncle Steve says.
 
cnet needs mail bombing for allowing such utter BS posted on there site.
 
i believe it is BS as well, because then apple computers (if use x86) wouldn't be a computer company anymore, they would become the same thing that sega has become, almost non-existant (aside of course from two great movies, End of Evangelion and the Martian Sucessor Nadesico movie)

anywho, i hope this doesn't happen because if it does, there goes my market value for my powerbook when i sell it off :p, and i plan on getting an iBook and a Powermac in January/february, wouldn't that screw me over if they switch over right after i get my computers....
 
This will suck. News.com doesn't just publish rumor stuff with that much certainty.

Unreal. I'll stop being an Apple user with my next purchase if they really do this. Of all chips to pick, Intel. AMD would have been a much better choice if they really feel the need to switch.

I guess I'll be building my computers again in the future. :(
 
The article quotes several sources, and sounds credible but depressing. If it happened, I'd have to rethink my plans to buy a new computer, at least until I get more details about the expected implications.
 
Trekkie said:
This will suck. News.com doesn't just publish rumor stuff with that much certainty.

Unreal. I'll stop being an Apple user with my next purchase if they really do this. Of all chips to pick, Intel. AMD would have been a much better choice if they really feel the need to switch.

I guess I'll be building my computers again in the future. :(

dont count on it, they have no real sources, if this was real it would have been on a real rumor site like think secret.

as a personal guarrentee this is BS i will send you all my macs in the mail.
 
http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+...3-5731398.html?part=rss&tag=5731398&subj=news

update Apple Computer plans to announce Monday that it's scrapping its partnership with IBM and switching its computers to Intel's microprocessors, CNET News.com has learned.

Apple has used IBM's PowerPC processors since 1994, but will begin a phased transition to Intel's chips, sources familiar with the situation said. Apple plans to move lower-end computers such as the Mac Mini to Intel chips in mid-2006 and higher-end models such as the Power Mac in mid-2007, sources said.

The announcement is expected Monday at Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference in San Francisco, at which Chief Executive Steve Jobs is giving the keynote speech. The conference would be an appropriate venue: Changing the chips would require programmers to rewrite their software to take full advantage of the new processor.
 
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