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Apple in Talks with Intel?

if Apple do go down with this... i still can't understand.
will they become another Microsoft, or will they become another Dell?
no matter what they become, they don't have the same edge they do right now.
i hope they are aware that from then on they will attract a different crowd, if any at all.
and another Apple (this time, please, name it "T-Bone") will take its place.

[Edited] P.S. shall i change my signature? "If x86 Apple is the future, we are history."
 
I always thought that it was going to happen sooner or later, but I was really shooting for later. Apple still is not quite in a position to be a software company only. With this move they are taking on the mothership... Microsoft.

How long do you think it will be before Microsoft stops developing Office once OS X on Intel comes out... my guess is that the Macintosh team have gone home early today with a severance package.

What happens when OS X is not as fast in benchmarks than the windows counterparts? Who will have the final laugh? They are nailing their coffin shut.

I can understand Apple's dilemma but I don't agree with their choice. Stick with Freescale on the portables, stick to IBM on the desktops... and be patient. When PowerPC is finally getting the respect it has deserved for so long it does not mean you should jump ship because you are jealous of others.
 
I've heard from someone inside IBM that it's true. No idea personally, but something odd is up.
 
It does add up. Consider all the nice things the Intel people have been saying lately.
 
Agathon said:
It does add up. Consider all the nice things the Intel people have been saying lately.
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Well now that a real news outlet has it... it's looking almost certain at this point.
 
bosrs1 said:
Well now that a real news outlet has it... it's looking almost certain at this point.
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A guy I know at IBM told me that they will not be doing Apple support any more, and that the word is that Apple has switched. He's a bit of an anti-mac troll, but I think he may have been telling the truth about this one.

It doesn't bother me what processors Apple uses (well, I bought a new PowerBook and if it creates problems with that a couple of years from now, I'll be irritated and probably switch to a Linux distro in protest).

I wonder how hard the transition will be. Things must be really desperate with IBM if it will be a hard transition.
 
Either this is the Scoop of the year, or C|NET will be chewing on their toes come Wednesday.

Personally, I really hope it isn't true just so that Paul Thurott can spend the weekend beating his chest, then be pounded back into his little corner of wrong.
 
:mad: God I hope this is totally not true.. but my gut feeling tells me that its not. Seeing as how IBM isn't able to keep up with the demand for the G5. Apple using Motorola and IBM chips is one of the reason why using an Apple was cool because you weren't conforming to the norms. Monday will be a sad and confusing day not knowing what lies ahead.
 
It makes from the standpoint that IBM hasn't been supplying Apple a steady stream of chip. Apple needs reliability. All I can really do is that Steve Jobs knows what he's doing.
 
macdong said:
wdlove said:
All I can really do is that Steve Jobs knows what he's doing.
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haha, I am not so certain.
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Actually I think Al Gore was the board member behind this move.

This is after all something that stinks of politics. :p
 
well, i guess the ultimatae question is, how are we, as Mac users, going to differentiate ourselves from those we detest so much for so long?
Apple is punching us in the face and telling us, "you are not so special! and I'll show you!!"

damn it!
 
MacIntel

As a twenty two year Mac Person, my first reaction was of shock, disbelief and almost a feeling of betrayal.

Then I stopped myself, and reminded myself that Steve Jobs is the most devoted Mac fan of all - would he do anything to jeopardize the future of this thing we love?

Of course not. He must know something we don't - possibly a different chip or a customized variance.

My main concern is the platform/software change - at best it sounds like a disaster.

Am going to try and not this ruin my weekend.
 
it still remains a mystery to me - mac user and developer since 1984 - why people really care who makes the chip inside. That is really such a minor aspect ot the overall gestalt that is macintosh. Macintosh already completely switched CPU families and still remained Macintosh. Shoot, Macintosh also completely switched underlying OSes, yet the soul of the machine is the same as the original 128k machine I bought in 1984.
 
I dont think it is a supply quantity issue or a mhz issue, but rather a size issue, IBM has been unable to provide a small enough processor to power a new powerbook with acceptable size, power, heat levels.
I would leave Apple if it did this, including leaving my ipod behind. I would lose all and any respect i had for Steve Jobs and it is true, Microsoft is moving to a powerpc platform and it would be a stupid decision

BornAgainMac said:
Can IBM keep up with Apple? I don't think it is a Mhz issue more than a demand issue.
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I have a few questions. One, does using Intel as it's manufacturer mean that they have to use the x86? Is it possible that they will higher Intel to manufacture a custom designed chip as they have with Motorola and IBM? I am not sure about the logistics behind this, but it still is a possibility...

Using Intel doesn't have to mean using P4s...

Then again, the world just may get turned on it's head soon...
 
modestmelody said:
I have a few questions. One, does using Intel as it's manufacturer mean that they have to use the x86? Is it possible that they will higher Intel to manufacture a custom designed chip as they have with Motorola and IBM? I am not sure about the logistics behind this, but it still is a possibility...

Using Intel doesn't have to mean using P4s...

Then again, the world just may get turned on it's head soon...
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I would hope this theory is true. I am a fan of Altivec over SSE.

One question...

Does anyone remember BEOS, and what happened when it switched to Intel? Anyone want to start a pool on how long Apple will be around once they start moving to x86. Now that Apple is moving onto Microsoft's, will they be pounded into AppleSauce?

One final rant....Why Intel, why not AMD and the Opteron? The next round where Apple get tromped will be people comparing an x86 PowerMac to an Opteron system..


Has the world gone mad???????!!!!!!!!

Max.
 
Talks with Intel

They could be discussing the use of PCI-express in apple computers given intel controls that technology.
 
The disturbing thing to me is...I just bought a powermac, have had it less than a week. Is this going to mean I won't be able to upgrade to OS11 when it comes out a year or two down the road? Will I still be able to run the latest version of Photoshop????
 
Intel is a great chip manufacturer & Apple is the great OS & App Designer

Intel makes fast great chips & Apple designs a fantastic OS based on UNIX that doesnt have dlls spread all over the operating system that cause 98% of the unorganization of the Windows platform and BSOD's. If you run Linux on Intel it is as stable as you could ask for (Just like our favorite OS) | Apple fortunately designs a cohesive organized OS & fantastic apps that should run just fine even if the are emulated. I don't care if I get 80% of Windows speed if I am running the slickest, most stable platform. I would prefer AMD as a manufacturer though.
 
Total shock and gut wrenching!!! I can only hope that when Monday comes around it will all make sense somehow. My hopeful wait for ibook revisions has been undermined by this, not so sure i'd want to further invest in the platform if this goes trough. It would only make sense if intel is making a 'custom' chip for apple, it still it stinks of betrayal. :(
 
modestmelody said:
I have a few questions. One, does using Intel as it's manufacturer mean that they have to use the x86? Is it possible that they will higher Intel to manufacture a custom designed chip as they have with Motorola and IBM? I am not sure about the logistics behind this, but it still is a possibility...

Using Intel doesn't have to mean using P4s...

Then again, the world just may get turned on it's head soon...
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I agree, who's to say all Apple have done is to take the next gen chip requirements and asked Intel to produce it. I doubt we will see a pentium in a Powermac or Powebook.

If intel can produce chips (G5's or new G6's and mobile chips) to Apple's specifications and in consistent supply then a switch makes sense. Just because intel may soon become the chip maker does not automatically mean that Apple will switch from RISC to a CISC processors.

If it gives Apple more flexibality and room to innovate then I'm for it. I have read alot of threads stating that:
"The current G4 Powerbooks have 4 year old technology, whats up with that?"
"We need PCIe graphics support"
"Hardware updates take to long"

Well if a switch to intel helps with the intergration of those technologies and the production of more market leading products...then really, is that a bad thing?

My gut tells me that if intel are to be the new chip makers they will NOT be producing an x86 chip for Mac's. All they will be doing is producing chips to Apples requirements.

Do we really think Apple would throw away years of innovation (with Mac OS X) and competetitive advantage in terms of realiablity to switch to an x86 platform and compete head to head with Dell?

I guess we will all have to wait and see till the 6th of June though.
 
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