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It would be cheaper for Apple to buy a private jet and just fly that daily. I'm surprised Cook hasn't run the numbers on that.

It's not. Running costs of a large airplane (which you need for SF-Singapore) are very expensive, especially if you're gonna run them semi-empty. Then come all the taxes and airport fees you have to pay to the airports and countries. Fly crews, repair crews, repair warehouse with some high failure components etc.

Plus that 150 million is their total bill, not just the SF-Sinapore bill.

They probably asked United (or someone else) for something semi-private like that but operated by United and just buying heavily discounted business seats was still cheaper.
 
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I like how SFO very wisely separates their security gates by terminal. Terrific and efficient design.

It did catch me out once when a lack of domestic gates meant we had to park at the International Terminal so I had to re-clear security to get back to the domestic gate for my connection. :eek::)
 
It would be cheaper for Apple to buy a private jet and just fly that daily. I'm surprised Cook hasn't run the numbers on that.
Not even remotely true that it would be cheaper, particularly for trans-oceanic flights. The class of airplane needed along with operational and "parked" costs might surprise you. A commercial airline is going to have access to airports, gates, and takeoff/landing time slots that no privately-owned airplane would, either.

The one argument in favor of private or leased airplanes (a la NetJet) is scheduling and a lack of security theater hassles, but if you're traveling as an elite, as these Apple employees most certainly are, there's plenty of options and airlines will do a lot to reduce friction for that class of traveler.

I earned elite status during a brief part of my career when I was flying 2-3 times a month and, let me tell you, the amenities and services airlines offer to elites creates an entirely different travel experience from the general rabble. With the money Apple is spending, they likely even have sway over departure schedules.
 
If Apple is really sending 50 people a day between Shanghai and San Francisco, to do it in a private jet would require a Boeing Business Jet / Airbus Corporate Jet and those run deep into the eight figures for a narrowbody and into the nine figures for a widebody.
 
Apple spends so much money just visiting China that their chosen airline is redesigning a terminal for them.

That should give you a clue as to why Apple will anything China wants to keep that market open to them.
 
Gosh Apple picked the absolute worst of airlines.

Yup. Let’s just hope this doesn’t open the door for Apple to become interested in Autonomous Flight. ;)
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If Apple is really sending 50 people a day between Shanghai and San Francisco, to do it in a private jet would require a Boeing Business Jet / Airbus Corporate Jet and those run deep into the eight figures for a narrowbody and into the nine figures for a widebody.

Would require a BBJ in at least a 773 or 789. Or an ACJ in at least a 333 or a 359 Far too much capacity. :apple:
 
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It's not. Running costs of a large airplane (which you need for SF-Singapore) are very expensive, especially if you're gonna run them semi-empty. Then come all the taxes and airport fees you have to pay to the airports and countries. Fly crews, repair crews, repair warehouse with some high failure components etc.

They're going to Shanghai, not Singapore. Big difference in distance. And 50 seats requires a much smaller jet than 300, see business jets.

Maintenance and spares are easily outsourced to an airline. Passenger airlines do this regularly for smaller destinations. All of the major airlines even outsource their heavy maintenance to some degree.

A big thing now is manufacturer support contracts ("power by the hour") where parts and major maintenance are their problem.

Taxes may be lower because of the inherent difference in taxation. Ticketed flights are taxed as a percent of airfare, non-ticket flights pay a tax on fuel.

The class of airplane needed along with operational and "parked" costs might surprise you.

Long-haul planes have much lower utilization than short haul since you can't push in extra flights, when their flights are 13 hours long, and you want the times aligned to minimize jet lag.

DaimlerChrysler ran a daily all-business A319 between Detroit and Stuttgart, back when the company existed.

Would require a BBJ in at least a 773. Or an ACJ in at least a 333. Far too much capacity. :apple:

No, narrowbodies are perfectly fine. SFO-PVG is 5300 NM, A319CJ does 6,000 NM, albeit with lower payloads. A319neo and A321XLR is now an option.

Another option is to simply make a tech stop, see BA1.
 
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Apple... killing the planet one flight at a time. Video conferencing?

I don't understand why they need this many tickets per day to go over there considering you have the internet to have meetings/discussions...seems like travel there should be a lot less then it is.
 
I like how SFO very wisely separates their security gates by terminal. Terrific and efficient design.

Looking at you, ATL.

That's good as long as the terminals aren't so separated that you have to go through security between terminals. I forget which airport I had a connecting flight at. It sucked having to go through security when trying to get from one flight to the next.
 
Tim Cook cares about the redesign of airport terminals, but he keeps the same design for iPhones for several years in a row:
2014 - iPhone 6
2015 - iPhone 6S
2016 - iPhone 7
2017 - iPhone 8
2020 - iPhone SE 2 (rumored)
 
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I don't understand why they need this many tickets per day to go over there considering you have the internet to have meetings/discussions...seems like travel there should be a lot less then it is.

In my experience doing HW design: product design (all phases), product line optimisation and fault-finding all require FTF. As does any kind of serious negotiation.
 
While they're at it, they should release their indoor maps feature for SFO in Apple Maps. It blows my mind that they have indoor maps for most major airports in the United States, but they don't have it for the airport that their own employees use the most. I can't figure that one out.
If I remember correctly, for airports and malls to have indoor maps on Apple Maps...said airport/mall has to provide Apple with the data. Apple doesn't map it themselves. Which means SFO is holding out. I'm very familiar with that airport, so not having indoor maps is not an issue for me, but still...SFO is a big one to be missing.
 
In my experience doing HW design: product design (all phases), product line optimisation and fault-finding all require FTF. As does any kind of serious negotiation.

Im sure they do, but daily? Seems like this could be bi-weekly or something...50 a day seems insane for even what Apple does.
 
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