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Sadly, this seems to be the likely answer. It's not consumer friendly, if consumers are looking for a lower iPhone entry point. I think we should all accept the fact that apple does not want to keep it's hold on the market share.

Apple seems happy to let it continue to slip away, as long as it sells 5% more phones, year over year. I just hope they are happy when the smart phone market ends up like the PC market of the early/mid 90s.

Honestly it would be nice if people would just drop it ... Production cuts doesn't make the phone a failure. The fact that the 5s is outselling it doesn't make it a failure. It's supposed to be outselling it. The 5c helps the 5s sale. The 5c is not for early adopters. It's there for sales to happen over time ... Good lord.. All you people want it to fail for whatever reason.

Oh yeah I forgot everyone in this forum are "analysts" and know it alls.
 
The iPhone 5C addresses no market so it's not too surprising to see it floundering.

You can't inculcate in everyone that they should only settle for the best-of-the-best phone and then expect people to get the overpriced gimped version. Equally, you can't inculcate in everyone the idea that plastic is cheap and then instantaneously change everyone's mind.

If you're gonna drop hundreds of dollars/pounds on a phone, you might as well go whole cow.

I am not sure being the second most popular phone on most if not all of the US carriers is really floundering....
 
A Wi-fi only iPhone without 3G/4G would sell incredibly well, like the iPad does.

This alone should cut $200 off of the price.

I rarely use the dataplan while out and about, usually just a home thing.

My guess is, most people don't use dataplans. i know some of my relatives with smart phones don't have dataplans.

We want a phone, not a computer.
 
Uh, not unless they're changing the pricing. The term you're looking for is gross profit.

Actually he's right, because selling more 5S models would shift the mix toward the high end model; and in fact, increase average revenue per iPhone.

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That's kind of a ridiculous way to phrase it unless the implication is that supply/availability is the main driver of demand for one model over the other.

It certainly is one factor, since the 5s is stocking out. It's possible that more people are buying the 5c because the 5s isn't available; but if that's a real factor, then it actually strengthens his point.
 
Apple should just announce they will sell the iPhone 5c at the following prices:

US$49 16 GB (two-year contract initial price)
US$99 32 GB (two-year contract initial price)
US$299 16 GB (unlocked phone price)
US$399 32 GB (unlocked phone price)

Watch sales zoom through the roof if that happens. :)
 
Finally! People want the iPhone 5s, not the 5c! You missed your chance with the 5c. It would have been the perfect replacement of the 4S as a free phone with a 4-inch screen and iPhone 5 internals. Don't pretend your margins wouldn't still be big enough.
 
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The iPhone 5C addresses no market so it's not too surprising to see it floundering.

You can't inculcate in everyone that they should only settle for the best-of-the-best phone and then expect people to get the overpriced gimped version. Equally, you can't inculcate in everyone the idea that plastic is cheap and then instantaneously change everyone's mind.

If you're gonna drop hundreds of dollars/pounds on a phone, you might as well go whole cow.

The 5C is $1. How can that not address a market? People who are upgrading or signing a new contract, and getting a BRAND NEW IPHONE for $1. And they can be different because there's is a flashy color and not the stodgy colors of the 5S.

Just because it doesn't fit into your little world, doesn't mean that there aren't millions of other consumers out there who will purchase one and love it. 5/5C tech is pretty amazing as it is. Not everyone needs the latest and greatest. Some buy based on how a product looks.
 
A Wi-fi only iPhone without 3G/4G would sell incredibly well, like the iPad does.

This alone should cut $200 off of the price.

I rarely use the dataplan while out and about, usually just a home thing.

My guess is, most people don't use dataplans. i know some of my relatives with smart phones don't have dataplans.

We want a phone, not a computer.

These days a cellular radio for cellphone always has some data connectivity included. It's part of the package so there's no point of making it unavailable.

Apple could do an iPhone 5c for $200 less. But the profit is not up to it for them. Maybe if Apple puts 4S internals into 5c body it could sell for $200 less than 5S. And also phase 30 pin connector completely out of Apple.
 
5C is really this

The 5C should be C for cut price, that is, heaps cheaper than the S, why on earth produce a Cheaper phone that really isn't that much cheaper than the full on model. I thinks somebody messed up :eek:
 
Disregarding the fact that numbers are going down, I don't like the way Apple is moving in terms of product lines to keep and which to eliminate. Keeping iPhone 4 and eliminating the 5 is beyond me, as well as keeping the iPad 2 and eliminating the 3.

Manufacturing issues could explain the discontinuation of the iPhone 5. We'll get the confirmation of that next year if Apple discontinues the 5s. As for the iPad 3, if you've read this site regularly, you should know why the iPad 3 had a short shelf-life.
 
Wish they did this before so we could of had pre-orders

I wouldn't had to stress to get my phone on release day.

Apple remember this when the 6 comes next year
 
My thoughts:

Apple is a public company and under pressure by its stockholders to continue to grow 20+% a year and maintain or increase its profit margins. The 5c as it stands could never be sold by Apple for less and still maintain the required profit margins. In fact it is quite possible that Apple cannot be competitive (i.e. build a phone with enough features) at a lower price point and still maintain its profit margins.
For an iPhone to cost $300 unsubsidized, it would likely have to be equivalent to an iPhone 4 or possibly a 3GS in terms of technology and features. It would always be seen as 'old tech'.

Selling an iPhone 4 or 3GS with older versions of iOS (say iOS 5) would be acceptable. It always seems to be newer iOS versions crippling older hardware that is the deal breaker. I really wish Apple would stop doing this.

I could probably go back to my first iPhone I ever bought (a 3GS) with iOS 4 on it and be happy.
 
For an iPhone to cost $300 unsubsidized, it would likely have to be equivalent to an iPhone 4 or possibly a 3GS in terms of technology and features. It would always be seen as 'old tech'.

Very true. People seemed to have quickly gotten spoiled when google released the nexus 4 for 299 er whatever. People expect Apple and others to do the same.

The difference (as most know) is that Google doesn't need to make profit off of selling the hardware because most of its revenue is made elsewhere, so it can sell the device at cost. This strategy is very effective for marketshare.

So expecting Apple to sell a 299 or 399 dollar phone is, I think, ludicrous.

LUDA!!
 
Ugh

Next week's MR News: The Power of Grandma and Teen-age Girls - 6 out of Ten iPhone 5Cs Sold Are Pink & White Then Surprisingly Followed By Yellow & Green.

However, They Are No Match To The Apple Fanboys (95% men , over 30 Years Old) Who Opted for The Latest & Greatest iGadget, iPhone 5S

99.5% of iPhone 5S men buyers in the USA grabbed the space grey. In a poll conducted in a mecca of male Apple fanboys in the Northeast, the majority said they would have considered buying or would have bought the iPhone 5C if it is available in black as the color choices are all for the ladies or teenage girls. "This will serve as a great lesson to Apple for iPhone 6. Real American fanboys will only buy iPhones in black!", one of the fanboys said. The same fanboy also confessed, he is one of those trolling MR because he hated the very feminine look of iO7. He and his fellow redneck friends are glad that his "black iPhone 5S metal" (he refuses to call it space grey) is a fantastic contrast to the "bubble gum icons".

wouldn't see a reason to get a black 5C since if you already have a black iPhone5
 
The 5C is $1. How can that not address a market? People who are upgrading or signing a new contract, and getting a BRAND NEW IPHONE for $1. And they can be different because there's is a flashy color and not the stodgy colors of the 5S.

Just because it doesn't fit into your little world, doesn't mean that there aren't millions of other consumers out there who will purchase one and love it. 5/5C tech is pretty amazing as it is. Not everyone needs the latest and greatest. Some buy based on how a product looks.

And some, make that many people seem to be avoiding it for the same reason.
 
It's simply the price that's killing the 5c but don't tell Apple this they'll raise the price of the 5s instead.
 
The value proposition for the 5C is absurd. You're only paying $100 less and you're getting a gimped plastic phone.

It makes no sense at all. I honestly don't even know why it exists. It's terrible value.
 
Comparing 5c sales to what they might have been if its price was lower is misguided. The real comparison is what the *profits* are relative to if they had continued with their previous sales model i.e. keeping the iPhone 5 and lowering its price.

We can't know if Apple is selling more 5C's than a hypothetically discounted vanilla iPhone 5 (although my guess is they are). But we can be nearly certain they are making more profit. The outer antenna band on the 5 is expensive, and by switching to a plastic case Apple has surely reduced the manufacturing cost of the 5C relative to the 5. Thus, greater margins and profits, and a clear win for the 5C strategy.

Not necessarily, you're forgetting the millions of dollars of development and design that goes into re-designing the same product - by continuing the iPhone 5, this cost would be $0.

Then there is the tens of millions of dollars that have gone into marketing the 5C. Global TV campaigns, billboards, and print ads aren't cheap. Again the continued cost of the 5 would be $0.

Then there is the manufacturing and shipping costs for millions of phones you can't sell. Unsellable phones reduce profit.

IMHO, Apple had 3 problems that led to the creation of the 5C:

1) The 5 and 5s would likely be produced on the same assembly line reducing the capacity to produce the 5s.

2) The 5 and 5s were too similar. The only advance that users would notice is the Touch ID. Most everyday users would not notice a difference in processor speed while using facebook/iMessage/phone. Many people would have opted for the cheaper 5 and 5s sales would be lagging.

3) Apple needed to create a phone that would be popular in Asia - specifically China. Gold in the 5s and color in the 5c would give them a better shot than black/white 5/5s phones that were almost identical.
 
This isn't surprising at all. There's very, very little value in getting a 5c over a 5s. My brother, who wanted to buy a phone outright last week, was looking at a 5c, thanks to it being a bit cheaper- I told him to go online and look for an iPhone 5 instead. He ended up getting an iPhone 5 from Kogan.com.au for over $100 less than a 5c, same capacity and all.
 
Apple should just announce they will sell the iPhone 5c at the following prices:

US$49 16 GB (two-year contract initial price)
US$99 32 GB (two-year contract initial price)
US$299 16 GB (unlocked phone price)
US$399 32 GB (unlocked phone price)

Watch sales zoom through the roof if that happens. :)

Carriers subsidize 450$ of the iPhone so why would it be 300$ off contract but not be free on contract.
 
A Wi-fi only iPhone without 3G/4G would sell incredibly well, like the iPad does.

This alone should cut $200 off of the price.

I rarely use the dataplan while out and about, usually just a home thing.

My guess is, most people don't use dataplans. i know some of my relatives with smart phones don't have dataplans.

We want a phone, not a computer.

are you serious? lol...........
 
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