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AI's potential is so huge and vast, and the implications are so big that we cannot comprehend what the impact will be. AI, which is, in part, basically automating your behavioural patterns and combined with the knowledge of the rest of the world, will be added to your day. It will help in the future with everything you do on a computer or with a computer.
Maybe not yet. But in the future, for certain.
I think that Apple's AI approach is one of the better approaches. It prioritizes privacy and helps its users. All the others are doing it to maximise profit by stealing from the web without licensing and training their models on everything. Apple is training your LLM on your data for you, which is why the 8GB limit is there. The models are not trained yet. That takes time. And when they are trained for you, they will work.
I have no proof or cannot see if an LLM is already being trained in the memory of an iPhone or Mac, but I think that could be the case. And when the tools are available, the model is, too.
So, the full benefit will be available in a while.
And the same benefits are available from competitors right now. With Apple it’s always probably next year. People forget that the competition isn’t standing still either.
 
It always amuses me when people who post on forums like MacRumors complain about "Apple lock-in" like it's some big nefarious secret anticompetitive ploy by Apple, somehow not realizing it's actually a selling point for millions and millions.
Yep. This is what I like about Apple, at least most of the time. Sometimes it becomes annoying, like when my iPod Shuffle won't sync right with my M4 Mac Mini because it isn't part of the ecosystem anymore, but in general I love the security of Apple's garden. I'm glad the EU got USB-C adapted but I wish they would quit messing with stuff like this, especially the way they are choosing to do it. Unfair practices such as app store percentages are one thing, but Apple's choices for their ecosystem is another.
 
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And the same benefits are available from competitors right now. With Apple it’s always probably next year. People forget that the competition isn’t standing still either.
True, but also not true. It's the integration into the Apple ecosystem that drives privacy and security. That is something you like or dislike. For me, it's the effortless integration and not the need to spend time finding integration errors or problems with other, more open systems.

Apple's choice to keep everything on the device ensures that no one else benefits from my data. Google processes everything on its servers, which benefits everyone. However, I do not know where my data is used.

There is one challenge: the integration with ChatGPT. It has to be my choice to send something to OpenAI, and it should not be done automatically. I expect Apple to provide the same integration to others (maybe EU AI companies) to get the same level of integration. In the long run, Apple will have the better proposition, at least in Europe.

I think OpenAI, Google, Meta, and the rest will have a hard time complying with the EU AI law. That law says that when you use a chatbot, the sources of the data must be provided. If it is only your data,e source. By providing an integration, Apple can say that in the then that is th case of OpenAI, it is their responsibility.

if I think of it now, they might be ahead of the rest.
 
True, but also not true. It's the integration into the Apple ecosystem that drives privacy and security. That is something you like or dislike. For me, it's the effortless integration and not the need to spend time finding integration errors or problems with other, more open systems.

Apple's choice to keep everything on the device ensures that no one else benefits from my data. Google processes everything on its servers, which benefits everyone. However, I do not know where my data is used.

There is one challenge: the integration with ChatGPT. It has to be my choice to send something to OpenAI, and it should not be done automatically. I expect Apple to provide the same integration to others (maybe EU AI companies) to get the same level of integration. In the long run, Apple will have the better proposition, at least in Europe.

I think OpenAI, Google, Meta, and the rest will have a hard time complying with the EU AI law. That law says that when you use a chatbot, the sources of the data must be provided. If it is only your data,e source. By providing an integration, Apple can say that in the then that is th case of OpenAI, it is their responsibility.

if I think of it now, they might be ahead of the rest.
I hear lot’s of people talking the Apple mantra of privacy. In the end it’s the end user that keeps it system safe.

Many of them blame Android for not being safe. But how many use Google, meta, x and all the social media platforms and giving them the permissions to work properly (location, photo’s and other userdata). Almost no one is reading the fine prints.

Android can be as safe as iOS from Apple and vice versa. It’s the user that can make a system unsafe. Apple also will use your data on their servers in the future the same way Google does. They tell that they use it encrypted and that it can’t trace back to a person. Well… Google and others tell the same story.

The real AI is not coming from Apple right now and all they do is redirect. The pace of innovation on AI is going very rapidly and all Apple is promising for iOS 19 available in a later version (19.4?) already is available and much more with Gemini 2.0. Gemini 3.0 will be coming in a half a year.
 
I hear lot’s of people talking the Apple mantra of privacy. In the end it’s the end user that keeps it system safe.

Many of them blame Android for not being safe. But how many use Google, meta, x and all the social media platforms and giving them the permissions to work properly (location, photo’s and other userdata). Almost no one is reading the fine prints.

Android can be as safe as iOS from Apple and vice versa. It’s the user that can make a system unsafe. Apple also will use your data on their servers in the future the same way Google does.
Apple doesn't feed intrusive ads. Apple collects a lot of data, but in the end I don't see adverts to sell me a new iphone, airpods, homepod etc. As long as my data does not go outside Apple for the purpose of ads I'm okay with whatever they collect. Apple doesn't make me scroll through sponsored ads. So no, Apple doesn't use my data the same as google.
They tell that they use it encrypted and that it can’t trace back to a person. Well… Google and others tell the same story.

The real AI is not coming from Apple right now and all they do is redirect. The pace of innovation on AI is going very rapidly and all Apple is promising for iOS 19 available in a later version (19.4?) already is available and much more with Gemini 2.0. Gemini 3.0 will be coming in a half a year.
With google you are the product. With apple you buy the product. Nobody has real AI as the internet at large was the enabler or the training. As much as AI is getting the hype it's promise will be long in the future as every other technology has taken to develop.
 
I hear lot’s of people talking the Apple mantra of privacy. In the end it’s the end user that keeps it system safe.

Many of them blame Android for not being safe. But how many use Google, meta, x and all the social media platforms and giving them the permissions to work properly (location, photo’s and other userdata). Almost no one is reading the fine prints.

Android can be as safe as iOS from Apple and vice versa. It’s the user that can make a system unsafe. Apple also will use your data on their servers in the future the same way Google does. They tell that they use it encrypted and that it can’t trace back to a person. Well… Google and others tell the same story.

The real AI is not coming from Apple right now and all they do is redirect. The pace of innovation on AI is going very rapidly and all Apple is promising for iOS 19 available in a later version (19.4?) already is available and much more with Gemini 2.0. Gemini 3.0 will be coming in a half a year.
That is true, and I agree. But most people are dumb if you talk about tech. They want it to work. That is something the big tech companies count on and use. If you don't know, you have to close your system, which is open, and you can use that information. Apple designs their systems to be as closed off as possible so that I do not have to consider closing. Only of opening up. Privacy-wise that is the best way of designing a system. Android is open, of course you can close it down, but you have to know how. And could you make the effort to do that? A lot of people want it to work from the box.

In the end, they all use the same systems. It's the way they provide it to us. The real AI is something nobody can use yet. It lives in the laboratories of google deepmind and the rest. The rest uses LLM's trained on as much data as possible. Google uses an extensive model centrally that everyone uses. Apple used a different approach and made a smaller LLM on your device. That is trained only on your data. And because it is on your device, you can only use it.
Google uses it to benefit their business model and ad sales and creates a profile of you.

They have a better proposition because Apple created a different approach to AI.
 
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They have a better proposition because Apple created a different approach to AI.
Apple’s approach will show more iOS 19, iOS 18 is just baby steps to sway users. A lot Apple AI commercials seem mostly beyond iOS 18.x altogether. Then we want 12GB Ram iPhone 17 Pro/Max to make it work.
 
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Apple’s approach will show more iOS 19, iOS 18 is just baby steps to sway users. A lot Apple AI commercials seem mostly beyond iOS 18.x altogether. Then we want 12GB Ram iPhone 17 Pro/Max to make it work.
I still have to see if Apple is able to pull it off. It would come in iOS 18 but now we’re talking about iOS 19 and not even at the start. So probably iOS 19.4 and the rest in iOS 20 if lucky.

So it will need 12 GB RAM to work properly? Meaning the iPhone 16 can’t handle it well. Same as last years 15. If you ask me that’s planned obsolescence.

iOS 18 and iPadOS 18 isn’t even able to fully multitask. That’s not a modern way OS-es handle tasks. When iOS and iPadOS are able to multitask they need even more RAM.

Still miss the feature you can close all apps at once in iOS/ipados.
 
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So it will need 12 GB RAM to work properly? Meaning the iPhone 16 can’t handle it well. Same as last years 15. If you ask me that’s planned obsolescence.
What I am implying is that iOS 19 will be able to have Siri conversational with multiple AI and other features running locally on qualified iPhones spring 2026 (iOS19.4) and while 8 GB is the minimum for current AI operation, another 4 GB ram in next years iPhone 17 Pro/max will make it more capable and faster to use. It’s like buying for what Apple will add later.:cool:
 
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What I am implying is that iOS 19 will be able to have Siri conversational with multiple AI and other features running locally on qualified iPhones spring 2026 (iOS19.4) and while 8 GB is the minimum for current AI operation, another 4 GB ram in next years iPhone 17 Pro/max will make it more capable and faster to use. :cool:
So we both agree that to get proper use of it you need more RAM on a $ 1000 phone.
 
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So we both agree that to get proper use of it you need more RAM on a $ 1000 phone.
But is it only all about RAM? My M2 iPad has 16 GB of RAM but only the M2 processor. I am wondering if the neural engine can process enough Tops for iOS 19 Apple Intelligence to do all of the Apple Intelligence features. And that I guess we won’t know for years.
 
I have decided, at this time I do not want to upgrade. This AI stuff scares me. I never thought I wouldn't want the newest iPhone. I have a form of AI I think with the newest iOS but I have a 14 and there I will just stay.
 
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