Apple Intelligence Upgrades for Siri Likely Pushed Back to iOS 18.5

[citysnaps]

I thought they would use the R&D for project Titan to make Apple CarPlay much more useful and assumed CarPlay would make a big leap. Instead I’ve yet to see one carmaker seeing implementing it.

Which of the following carmakers with CarPlay have you checked out? Chevrolet, Ford, Cadillac GMC, Chrysler, Buick, Jeep, Dodge, RAM in the US. And elsewhere... Alfa Romeo, Bentley, Ferrari, Lexus, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi, Fiat, Honda, Toyota, Porsche, Hyundai, Jaguar, Mini, Kia, Volvo, Lotus, Nissan, Peugeot, Maserati, Mazda, Rolls Royce, Subaru, VW, Mitsubishi, Polestar, Lamborghini, Infiniti, Genesis, Citroen. Aston Martin, Acura, Suzuki, Vinfast.

I use Apple CarPlay every day and it works great.


"About the car… Apple had several talks with other carmakers to produce the car. All rejected Apple. If Apple was serious and “far ahead” they could build factories wherever they please to avoid tariffs. But as Siri is still a disaster today, what kind of car would you get with an assistant that has the brain of a worm."

Which carmakers are you referring to having talks with Apple regarding Apple Car manufacturing? Please provide specific credible sources.

I'm skeptical as such discussions would take months of research, tours/inpsections, negotiations, and other due diligence. Yet Apple canceled their car as soon as it looked like the 100% tariff was real.

 

[xSushi]

maybe we can start using iOS 18 by the time iOS 19 is in beta…
which will remain in beta until iOS 20 is revealed.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

Siri seems to be sensitive to how you make the request. I use Siri to turn on/off lights multiple times a day with no problems. My spouse tends to issue semi randomly constructed statements and is surprised when Siri doesn't respond correctly.

Hermione: “It’s LeviOsa, not LevioSA!”

 

[Chungry]

Apple is evidently incredibly behind with GenAI and were caught sleeping at the wheel.

Yeah, the wheel of the car that never launched.

All the more embarrassing, because aside from their superb work in making the iPhone camera better each year, increasingly, the new headline features in their platforms each year have felt gimmicky and trite.

And major ux features have been misfires. Tabbed ui for safari. The new window management feature for macOS that I only tried once and can’t even remember its name because it was so bad.

Apart from these, most of the new headline features that seem to have been dreamt up by marketing in order to give them something to say at WDDC - ie reactions in FaceTime and video calls and hey, how dare you try and turn this off - rather than serious foundational improvements.

Whisper it - vanilla android is now pretty good and iOS just hasn’t got the ux average that it once had, with privacy and ecosystem integration really now being the strong draw.

macOS can’t decide if it wants to be more iPadOS like or not and has been stuck in a kind of a twilight zone for a decade or so.

And iPadOS is still like iOS on a bigger canvas and just isn’t leaping forward to power the hardware that it’s twinned with.

But we have Genmojis and Memojis, so … phew.

There's so much meat to this comment. I'm nodding in agreement, because Apple has long suffered a lack of focus and these are the fruits of that mindset. I wish I could remember who said it here, but they compared modern-day Apple to Sears and I can't think of a more apt analogy. It's as if everyone in the spaceship is shielded from any criticism, however constructive or valid so when stuff flops they genuinely are blindsided and offended. Makes me think of a game company that made a fairly disappointing live service game called Concord. They took forever to push it out the door and spent way too much. By the time it got released the market moved on. It was novel in its awfulness and insiders reported that toxic positivity inside the company kept any valid criticism from bringing improvements that may have changed their course. This is Apple. Toxic positivity. Inability to own their mistakes (iCloud outages but the status page is a static image showing it's all up and good, people getting locked out of their iCloud accounts without any comment whatsoever). Massively underestimating what the market would best with the AVP. Spending tens of billions on a car project that was adrift in project management hell.

 

[Compote]

Is it just me or do I use ChatGPT still to rewrite my emails? Every time I’ve used Apple, I have an error message saying it’s unavailable all this text was not supported. Waste of time for me.
However my friend just bought that S 25 I tried it on that and it was bloody amazing. Why is Apple so behind?

Yes, it censors what you may write too. You'd think you're on here.

 

[9081094]

It’s quite funny how uninformed you are while making statements with no credible facts and at the same time asking for credible resources to others.

Must be something American because I see this happening all the time without fact checking and even then it get twisted.

Here you are:

Hyundai Motor in Negotiation with Apple for Apple Car Production

Hyundai Motor Co. confirmed that they are currently in talks with Apple for the manufacture of an Apple Car. If

www.koreatechtoday.com

 

[9081094]

Sure it’s easy to release an ev. It’s much harder to release one that won’t fall apart and fits within an established framework. You can have my reservation.

Who’s telling you those cars fall apart? And if it’s so easy to release an EV why do American, Japanese and European carmakers have so much difficulty releasing competitive EV’s?

 

[bluecoast]

There's so much meat to this comment. I'm nodding in agreement, because Apple has long suffered a lack of focus and these are the fruits of that mindset. I wish I could remember who said it here, but they compared modern-day Apple to Sears and I can't think of a more apt analogy. It's as if everyone in the spaceship is shielded from any criticism, however constructive or valid so when stuff flops they genuinely are blindsided and offended. Makes me think of a game company that made a fairly disappointing live service game called Concord. They took forever to push it out the door and spent way too much. By the time it got released the market moved on. It was novel in its awfulness and insiders reported that toxic positivity inside the company kept any valid criticism from bringing improvements that may have changed their course. This is Apple. Toxic positivity. Inability to own their mistakes (iCloud outages but the status page is a static image showing it's all up and good, people getting locked out of their iCloud accounts without any comment whatsoever). Massively underestimating what the market would best with the AVP. Spending tens of billions on a car project that was adrift in project management hell.

If we see meaningful improvements to macOS iOS at wwdc announced with realistic timescales, I’ll be variously optimistic.

If we see a 5 minute section on ‘animated genmojis!!!’ I’m going to assume that the rot is very deep.

 

[Chungry]

If we see meaningful improvements to macOS iOS at wwdc announced with realistic timescales, I’ll be variously optimistic.

If we see a 5 minute section on ‘animated genmojis!!!’ I’m going to assume that the rot is very deep.

I hope in wrong. I really do. I want less fluff and more meat for the toolset.

 

[I7guy]

Who’s telling you those cars fall apart? And if it’s so easy to release an EV why do American, Japanese and European carmakers have so much difficulty releasing competitive EV’s?

Why is it hard to release an EV. Here are some thoughts. A supply chain is needed, a dealer network is needed, regulatory approval is needed, lots of capital is needed to name a few. Then you have to get people to buy your cars.

 

[9081094]

Which of the following carmakers with CarPlay have you checked out? Chevrolet, Ford, Cadillac GMC, Chrysler, Buick, Jeep, Dodge, RAM in the US. And elsewhere... Alfa Romeo, Bentley, Ferrari, Lexus, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi, Fiat, Honda, Toyota, Porsche, Hyundai, Jaguar, Mini, Kia, Volvo, Lotus, Nissan, Peugeot, Maserati, Mazda, Rolls Royce, Subaru, VW, Mitsubishi, Polestar, Lamborghini, Infiniti, Genesis, Citroen. Aston Martin, Acura, Suzuki, Vinfast.

I use Apple CarPlay every day and it works great.

I was referring to CarPlay 2.0. Announced with much noise two years ago at WWDC and yet no carmaker has implemented it. The old CarPlay hasn’t changed much since the beginning and is feeling like a vinyl record next to a streaming service. Again use todays info!

 

[I7guy]

It’s quite funny how uninformed you are while making statements with no credible facts and at the same time asking for credible resources to others.

Must be something American because I see this happening all the time without fact checking and even then it get twisted.

Here you are:

Hyundai Motor in Negotiation with Apple for Apple Car Production

Hyundai Motor Co. confirmed that they are currently in talks with Apple for the manufacture of an Apple Car. If

www.koreatechtoday.com

Apple reached out to Mercedes, Ford, Tesla, McLaren and Toyota. Apple has a lot of influence so they may have reached out to more companies, but I'm sure they at least had a friendly cup of coffee over this. But whether the discussions were "Hi there, do you want to partner to build my car", or they were serious up to the point of signing an agreement, we don't know.

 

[I7guy]

I was referring to CarPlay 2.0. Announced with much noise two years ago at WWDC and yet no carmaker has implemented it. The old CarPlay hasn’t changed much since the beginning and is feeling like a vinyl record next to a streaming service. Again use todays info!

The missing keyword is "yet".

 

[9081094]

Which of the following carmakers with CarPlay have you checked out? Chevrolet, Ford, Cadillac GMC, Chrysler, Buick, Jeep, Dodge, RAM in the US. And elsewhere... Alfa Romeo, Bentley, Ferrari, Lexus, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi, Fiat, Honda, Toyota, Porsche, Hyundai, Jaguar, Mini, Kia, Volvo, Lotus, Nissan, Peugeot, Maserati, Mazda, Rolls Royce, Subaru, VW, Mitsubishi, Polestar, Lamborghini, Infiniti, Genesis, Citroen. Aston Martin, Acura, Suzuki, Vinfast.

I use Apple CarPlay every day and it works great.

I was referring to CarPlay 2.0. Announced with much noise two years ago at WWDC and yet no carmaker has implemented it. The old CarPlay hasn’t changed much since the beginning and is feeling like a vinyl record next to a streaming service. Again use todays info!

Is it just me or do I use ChatGPT still to rewrite my emails? Every time I’ve used Apple, I have an error message saying it’s unavailable all this text was not supported. Waste of time for me.
However my friend just bought that S 25 I tried it on that and it was bloody amazing. Why is Apple so behind?

Apple is not only years behind implementing real AI and a braindead assistant Siri, but is also falling behind Android. And that gap is widening every year.

 

[9081094]

The missing keyword is "yet".

You could better state will it “ever”. No carmaker wants to implement a braindead assistant and no carmaker wants to get dependent on Apple for software with CarPlay 2.0.

 

[I7guy]

You could better state will it “ever”. No carmaker wants to implement a braindead assistant and no carmaker wants to get dependent on Apple for software with CarPlay 2.0.

Just like the "apple is doomed" posts in 2011, where apple was given a half-life of 5 years on support...and those posts didn't age well, this post won't age well either. It's certainly possible Apple made a strategic mistake, but sometimes things take longer than expected. So we will see.

 

[9081094]

Just like the "apple is doomed" posts in 2011, where apple was given a half-life of 5 years on support...and those posts didn't age well, this post won't age well either. It's certainly possible Apple made a strategic mistake, but sometimes things take longer than expected. So we will see.

Hoe do you know if this post doesn’t age well. It already has aged for two years now. Do you hear me saying Apple is doomed?

Keep it to the facts, something not easy when you get bad examples from the government.

 

[Apple$]

This year I’m trying to do the same. There is literally nothing compelling to stay in the overpriced ecosystem to justify it anymore.

Yup, after my iPhone 15, no more iPhones for me. It's shockingly embarrassing how behind Apple is in AI features. especially after seeing the Max Tech video. I would go to either Google Pixel or OnePlus for my next phone.

 

[2DeedleD]

Yup, after my iPhone 15, no more iPhones for me. It's shockingly embarrassing how behind Apple is in AI features. especially after seeing the Max Tech video. I would go to either Google Pixel or OnePlus for my next phone.

Well, we won't see u anymore then. Have a prosperous life.

 

[Ishimura]

Clearly he does. Apple AI is OpenAi. It's LITERALLY ChatGPT in your phone, doing dumb things Apple thinks it can allow you to do, like create a barfing unicorn with a poop emoji hat. Oh wait. Does it do that yet or is it in TBR limbo as well?

The GenMoji image model wasn’t made by OpenAI, it’s a proprietary model from Apple.

 

[Ishimura]

ChatGPT is not used for any of the Apple Intelligence functions. Not Genmoji, not Image playgrounds, not the writing tools, not the email grouping. ChatGPT is only used as an external data source for some fact questions that Siri may hand off to ChatGPT.

Well, not quite. Only if you’re talking about the defaults.

You can summon ChatGPT (presumably limited to 4o currently) into the Writing Tools to do the writing instead of Apple’s own smaller, inferior model that would do it otherwise.

 

[Chungry]

Yup, after my iPhone 15, no more iPhones for me. It's shockingly embarrassing how behind Apple is in AI features. especially after seeing the Max Tech video. I would go to either Google Pixel or OnePlus for my next phone.

I found it easier than I thought to decouple myself from the Apple ecosystem and how my data is more portable which is a good thing. Samsung Smart switch makes it easy to pull notes, reminders, photos all of it- I wish id left the iPhone as my daily driver (still use my 16 PM and Pixel fold for backup).

 

[9081094]

Why is it hard to release an EV. Here are some thoughts. A supply chain is needed, a dealer network is needed, regulatory approval is needed, lots of capital is needed to name a few. Then you have to get people to buy your cars.

You said it’s so easy to release an EV, and now it’s suddenly hard to release one? Do you remember what you’re writing?

 

[I7guy]

You said it’s so easy to release an EV, and now it’s suddenly hard to release one? Do you remember what you’re writing?

It’s easy to “release” as in build. It’s harder to get the plumbing working ie what he said before. And It’s still harder to make money and not go bankrupt eg Fisker. Also Polestar, rivian and lucid.

 

[9081094]

It’s easy to “release” as in build. It’s harder to get the plumbing working ie what he said before. And It’s still harder to make money and not go bankrupt eg Fisker. Also Polestar, rivian and lucid.

What a flip flop. There are many examples of companies that do succeed.
You don’t even have to use dealerships to succeed. Fisker just didn’t have competitive models, lucid is too pricey and polestar is very successfull. You could go back in the old age and use ice cars, EV’s are the future. Apple failed in this and wasted 10 billion.