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Apple Intelligence Upgrades for Siri Likely Pushed Back to iOS 18.5
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Clearly he does. Apple AI is OpenAi. It's LITERALLY ChatGPT in your phone, doing dumb things Apple thinks it can allow you to do, like create a barfing unicorn with a poop emoji hat. Oh wait. Does it do that yet or is it in TBR limbo as well?lol. Tell us you don’t understand Apple Intelligence without, whatever. Clearly you don’t.
I don't think it is at all right to imply this is just the usual Apple bashing, whatever they do... This entire release has been and continues to be a humiliating farce and in my opinion justifies completely the high degree of criticism it gets on this and other sites and online reviews etc.
Sure they should take their time and get stuff right. So maybe they should have looked to introduce this with iOS 19 or iOS 20 instead of rushing it through to try to bolster the sales of iPhone 16.
I would prefer they stopped ********ting us about AI, since the most common use of AI, chatGPT and image generation can be done in a web browser and would be based on the very same OpenAI techn anyway.
I'd trade vaporware gimmicks I'll never use that they're trying to force-feed me, for core hardware features that I will definitely use and actually want.
Apple is turning to **** because it's run by bean counters.
I see MR is reheating old Gurman rumors he reported weeks or months ago
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I don’t think anyone ever wanted an Apple car and Apple seems to be strongest when it produces personal computing products.
The error I think was in starting this project in the first place.
True if Apple had given a preview of their approach to private ai and said that it’s launching across 2025-26 and that they’ll take their time as they want to be thoughtful and deliberate & they’ll provide updates nearer the launch rollout, that would’ve been better.
Instead, trying to tie it to the 16 series and rushing out (still late) releases of underwhelming AI featured made them look bad.
This coupled with Siri still being awful and unlikely to get better until next year now, leaves an impression that Apple simply can’t do this stuff.
While I agree with you, the thing with innovation is that we don't know what happy accidents result from Apple's car work that might end up in future products or even enable completely new insights or products categories.
What looks like a total waste of $10 billion (plus the opportunity cost of developing something else) may one day result in something far more valuable
The nature of innovation is that it can never be extremely efficient, because innovation by definition requires the inefficiency of trial and error of attempting new things without knowing which will work out and which won't
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Software engineers that don’t know how to code.
Look at how they demolished macOS and iOS in the last decade.
And a lot of arrogance, assuming they had the best operating system in the world, long after its demise.
They had it up to macOS Mountain Lion. From that point forward it’s been an absolute dive. But they failed to acknowledge that.
They let go Scott Forstall and Bertrand Serlet, that was the tipping point.
The current software management is an absolute joke.
I agree with you on a lot of this except for their acquisition of Beats. They've put out some really solid products for people who workout regularly. The Powerbeats Pro 2 are excellent as are the new Beats Studio. I workout with both and they are really great. The new Beats Pills are also pretty awesome. I put one on each side of our pool and they sound amazing when paired together.
Looking foward to another decade of Siri being decades behind the competion with such gems as: ME: "Please set an alarm for 6AM". SIRI: "Here are results I found on the web for 'set Alabama four Amen".
Hell, I would settle for existing features that work smoothly and intuitively. Functionality that we come in contact with frequently has degraded over time and some of us really miss the old “it just works” way Apple used to develop features. A few examples I’ve encountered:
- The address bar that disappeared from my iPad Safari private windows a couple of updates ago that hasn’t returned (when I open the first private window, there is literally no address bar to type a search or URL into. By screwing around with it, I found I have to do some weird half-assed swipe down and then it shows up.)
- Some shortcut/automation notifications can’t be silenced with a Focus mode, so I sometimes get awakened by them.
- CarPlay takes over car audio when browsing the web or using an app even though I am listening to a completely different audio source at the time.
- Mysterious WiFi dropouts and general unreliability across multiple iPad models and iOS/iPadOS versions that improve if you turn off “Private WiFi Address” even though no other WiFi devices in your home have issues.
- Siri that insists it can’t find a song even though it is loaded on the device itself.
- Siri that is usually only good for reminding me that I can look up what I need on the web.
- Finger is supposed to be the primary way to interact, yet I can’t reliably place a cursor with my finger and in many instances end up having to fight with whatever it decided to select.
- Auto-correct that was fighting me to the point I’ve turned it off most related settings. I would rather deal with the occasional typo than spend all that time “correcting the correction.”
- The annoying, now permanent, red dots in Settings reminding me to acknowledge the new iCloud terms and conditions that can’t actually be acknowledged because you get an error message when you try to acknowledge.
I still buy Apple mobile devices because I don’t see a better alternative. But make no mistake, there is a big difference between “they are positively the best”, as I used to believe, and my current thinking of “they are the lesser of evils.” Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I really think a $multi-trillion company can, and should do better, if for no other reason, it’s what they used to do as a smaller company.
Is Apple just incapable of doing anything these days, except with chips? It feels like by the time they get Siri to work, it will be completely left in the dust by competitors. In fact, it already it pretty much irrelevant.
Bloomberg's Mark Gurman last month reported that Apple was considering delaying at least some of its promised Apple Intelligence enhancements for Siri until iOS 18.5, and that plan appears increasingly likely based on his latest information.
Gurman said Apple was initially planning to launch the Apple Intelligence enhancements for Siri in iOS 18.4, but it seems that the features have been pushed back until iOS 18.5 due to a lack of readiness and software bugs. Accordingly, none of the promised features are available in the first beta of iOS 18.4 released last month.
In his Power On newsletter today, he said the features will be available in iOS 18.5:Apple's software engineers have been internally testing iOS 18.5 since at least the start of February, according to the MacRumors visitor logs.
Gurman expects iOS 18.5 to be released in May, but beta testing should begin sooner:It is still possible that some of the Siri upgrades could arrive in a later iOS 18.4 beta, but Gurman seems to be leaning into iOS 18.5 timing for now.
The upgrades coming to Siri will include on-screen awareness, understanding of a user's personal context, and deeper per-app controls. For example, during its WWDC 2024 keynote, Apple showed an iPhone user asking Siri about their mother's flight and lunch reservation plans based on info from the Mail and Messages apps.
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Either they are not hiring the correct people or they are so ridiculously over-cautious products can't see the light of day.
Is it just me or do I use ChatGPT still to rewrite my emails? Every time I’ve used Apple, I have an error message saying it’s unavailable all this text was not supported. Waste of time for me.
However my friend just bought that S 25 I tried it on that and it was bloody amazing. Why is Apple so behind?
However my friend just bought that S 25 I tried it on that and it was bloody amazing. Why is Apple so behind?
When was the last time the main feature of a software version was released only after the release of the next version of the same software?
I've likely earned my place as a bonafide Apple fanboy. But in AI? I'm right with the naysayers.
If you don't use AI yet on a regular basis, working with the other various services, then you likely don't yet understand what they are capable of.
Image "Playground" is an apt name for an implementation of image generation that is simply a toy, not a serious tool. Most of the prompts I try in Image Playground give me an "Unable to use that description" prompt. But for the simplest and silliest of requests, it simply fails. Again, if you've never really used some of the image generation tools offered on other platforms, you don't have an understanding of how good they've gotten.
While I was initially happy that Apple was focusing on on-device and privacy, if the outcome is a product that simply doesn't work or provides subpar performance compared to the competition, then what's the point? Apple Intelligence doesn't get points unless the products are actually useful.
And the Siri delays are just too much. Apple should have led in this space.
If you don't use AI yet on a regular basis, working with the other various services, then you likely don't yet understand what they are capable of.
Image "Playground" is an apt name for an implementation of image generation that is simply a toy, not a serious tool. Most of the prompts I try in Image Playground give me an "Unable to use that description" prompt. But for the simplest and silliest of requests, it simply fails. Again, if you've never really used some of the image generation tools offered on other platforms, you don't have an understanding of how good they've gotten.
While I was initially happy that Apple was focusing on on-device and privacy, if the outcome is a product that simply doesn't work or provides subpar performance compared to the competition, then what's the point? Apple Intelligence doesn't get points unless the products are actually useful.
And the Siri delays are just too much. Apple should have led in this space.
Id be happy if they fixed the Siri listening hanging issue. If I tell siri to text someone, let me hit the freaking send button and just send it, instead the send button just doesn't respond because Siri is still listening until she stops hearing noises.
No, it’s not literally ChatGPT in your phone. I guess you don’t understand it either.
Maybe google search “how does Apple Intelligence differ from ChatGPT”?
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Perhaps he got the invite to the secret meeting discussing the A.I. evolution but didn't get the invite to the Invites meeting?
More seriously: A.I. is likely something nearly every potential contact at Apple is "touching" in one way or another. I would guess it is an "all hands on deck"-type thing reaching nearly every employee. If so, Gurman's contacts- if there actually are any- probably have some knowledge of A.I. plans.
A little app like Invites is probably something only a few people at Apple developed. Gurman may have no contacts among those few. The little stuff is what can surprise. The big stuff is likely the easiest sources of leaks to the Gurmans of the world.
Apple is falling apart faster than a pie at a pie-eating contest. Siri is like a magician who only gets the trick right 10% of the time. I’ve discovered that if you say “Siri, ask ChatGPT,” you’ll actually get results, but don’t expect to interact or turn up the volume—Siri will just ghost you.
iPhones are getting worse than a bad hair day. The battery life needs more focus to win over the new market. IMO, I’m tired of hearing about new features announced prematurely just to create buzz. Tim, you’re not as exciting as Steve Jobs. I know you’re smart, but you sound like you’re explaining how paint dries when you talk about products. It’s information, sure, but wouldn’t it be cool if you brought in Woz to do a few announcements? That would really make an impression.
Does anybody else miss Ive’s killer monologues about new designs? They were more captivating. I feel somehow he would’ve made even the Vision Pro more appealing.
iPhones are getting worse than a bad hair day. The battery life needs more focus to win over the new market. IMO, I’m tired of hearing about new features announced prematurely just to create buzz. Tim, you’re not as exciting as Steve Jobs. I know you’re smart, but you sound like you’re explaining how paint dries when you talk about products. It’s information, sure, but wouldn’t it be cool if you brought in Woz to do a few announcements? That would really make an impression.
Does anybody else miss Ive’s killer monologues about new designs? They were more captivating. I feel somehow he would’ve made even the Vision Pro more appealing.
Totally agree, it's sad but make sense. You cannot go to the investors and say that iOS 19 will be only focused in "bug fixes and performance improvements", you need to market it with something more. And I think they are running out of ideas and when you are out of ideas you start creating solutions to problems that does not exist.