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Apple Introduces 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display
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Agreed. Currently, sites are much more CPU/bandwidth intensive than in 2008. If the scrolling lags on the rMBP, it's probably bad browser implementation, multithreading handling, etc. My White Macbook (9400M graphics) scrolls pretty well at 1080p. It lags sometimes in ajax-intensive web applications or when I try to scroll when a page is still loading.
there seems to be a lot of bleating about the Intel HD 4000 and no dedicated graphics card in the new 13" rMBP - also the small SSD in the base model.
2 points to make here:
1. my 15" rMBP runs just fine on the Intel HD 4000 and rarely switches to the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M.
2. old mate at local Apple Reseller points out that the SSD in the rMBP is way faster model than that contained in your MBAirs - and he has no reason to lie.
ok, 3 points - as discussed in these forums before, due to space/heat/battery life constraints, Apple has not been able - as yet - to include either a quad-core processor nor a dedicated graphics card.
so in summary, expensive yes, but performance-wise I'd suggest we wait until some decent geek bench test results appear.
seems to me it all comes down to 13" or 15" - beacause these retina displays are indeed a thing of beauty.
personally I've had the smaller option since the 12" PowerBook, but recently went for the 15" rMBP and I'm loving it.
easy on the eyes and slips neatly into my briefcase.
I'd suggest the 13" would be equally as sweet - even with a 126gb SSD.
(there are some very fast usb 3.0 external drives out there for around $100 to complement any lack of internal storage)
to all the naysayers, hold your water until you get to the Apple Store for a hands-on
2 points to make here:
1. my 15" rMBP runs just fine on the Intel HD 4000 and rarely switches to the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M.
2. old mate at local Apple Reseller points out that the SSD in the rMBP is way faster model than that contained in your MBAirs - and he has no reason to lie.
ok, 3 points - as discussed in these forums before, due to space/heat/battery life constraints, Apple has not been able - as yet - to include either a quad-core processor nor a dedicated graphics card.
so in summary, expensive yes, but performance-wise I'd suggest we wait until some decent geek bench test results appear.
seems to me it all comes down to 13" or 15" - beacause these retina displays are indeed a thing of beauty.
personally I've had the smaller option since the 12" PowerBook, but recently went for the 15" rMBP and I'm loving it.
easy on the eyes and slips neatly into my briefcase.
I'd suggest the 13" would be equally as sweet - even with a 126gb SSD.
(there are some very fast usb 3.0 external drives out there for around $100 to complement any lack of internal storage)
to all the naysayers, hold your water until you get to the Apple Store for a hands-on
there seems to be a lot of bleating about the Intel HD 4000 and no dedicated graphics card in the new 13" rMBP - also the small SSD in the base model.
to all the naysayers, hold your water until you get to the Apple Store for a hands-on
Dude.
It's a RIPOFF.
This is made by slave laborers being paid one worthless American dollar per hour. Sure, all Apple products are made by slaves, but this has the same internals as their other 13" MacBook models but it's five hundred dollars more.
It's a RIPOFF.
Yes, even by Apple's own egregious standards this laptop is a RIPOFF.
Did I mention that this MacBook is a RIPOFF?
If you're still having a problem understanding let me know and I'll be glad to help you understand why this laptop is a RIPOFF.
there seems to be a lot of bleating about the Intel HD 4000 and no dedicated graphics card in the new 13" rMBP - also the small SSD in the base model.
2 points to make here:
1. my 15" rMBP runs just fine on the Intel HD 4000 and rarely switches to the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M.
2. old mate at local Apple Reseller points out that the SSD in the rMBP is way faster model than that contained in your MBAirs - and he has no reason to lie.
ok, 3 points - as discussed in these forums before, due to space/heat/battery life constraints, Apple has not been able - as yet - to include either a quad-core processor nor a dedicated graphics card.
so in summary, expensive yes, but performance-wise I'd suggest we wait until some decent geek bench test results appear.
seems to me it all comes down to 13" or 15" - beacause these retina displays are indeed a thing of beauty.
personally I've had the smaller option since the 12" PowerBook, but recently went for the 15" rMBP and I'm loving it.
easy on the eyes and slips neatly into my briefcase.
I'd suggest the 13" would be equally as sweet - even with a 126gb SSD.
(there are some very fast usb 3.0 external drives out there for around $100 to complement any lack of internal storage)
to all the naysayers, hold your water until you get to the Apple Store for a hands-on
1) So it DOES switch to the dGPU
2) Thanks for pointing that out, but if you haven't figured it out yet, it's the size that people are complaining about, not the speed.
3) How do you know?
Any other "points" you'd like to make? I'd love to hear them.
cynicism is not a pleasant quality - one should be able to express an opinion and have a reasonably polite response.
2) if 128gb is too small get a bigger drive or an external one as suggested, or just buy an Air with the capacity you require
3) How do I know? - I read fairly widely especially in these forums and other sites that are saying the same thing about the space limitations of a 13" shell compared to the 15".
If Apple could they would
1) my point in the first instance - taking yours onboard - is that under most people's usage the graphics don't switch from integrated to dedicated.
I think it's generally agreed in this thread that Apple is drawing a long bow to call the 13" MBP a 'Pro' especially when compared with the 15" MBP's specs
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got out of bed on the wrong side today did we
Again, you're providing nothing of value here. We all know it can be had with a larger drive. You just aren't getting it. For a "pro" model with it's asking price, it should have a larger SSD to begin with. I hope that clears up the SSD misconceptions for you.
As far as "if apple could they would" they could have a standard 256GB SSD and they don't... So there goes that theory.
As far as "if apple could they would" they could have a standard 256GB SSD and they don't... So there goes that theory.
I honestly believe that, a large part of the reason that the cMBP 13 is Apple's best selling machine is the complete set of features. The optical drive is probably the most significant, but I'll bet the Ethernet port and FireWire port are factors too, despite their being available on Macs without via dongles. It's the cheapest apple laptop that still offers all of what people have associated with laptops for over a decade.
But time marches on eventually, and with the rMBP those features are gone. Is a slightly lower pricepoint the answer for hot sales?
Maybe. But I really think what it needs now is rMBP 15 features in a smaller package. You better believe such machines are coming soon from the Wintel camp.
If Apple is right and people don't need those legacy features I mentioned earlier built right into the machine anymore (and for most part I think they are, even if people don't realize it yet), then there is the Air lineup for them. It's perfect. The only significant thing the rPro 13 offers that those machines don't is the retina display itself. But that will change eventually since all Apple products are bound to go that route eventually.
Then what? The Pro 13 becomes an unnecessarily heavy machine for no real reason. It needs to offer better CPU, GPU, and RAM to justify its weight or it is a dead man walking.
But time marches on eventually, and with the rMBP those features are gone. Is a slightly lower pricepoint the answer for hot sales?
Maybe. But I really think what it needs now is rMBP 15 features in a smaller package. You better believe such machines are coming soon from the Wintel camp.
If Apple is right and people don't need those legacy features I mentioned earlier built right into the machine anymore (and for most part I think they are, even if people don't realize it yet), then there is the Air lineup for them. It's perfect. The only significant thing the rPro 13 offers that those machines don't is the retina display itself. But that will change eventually since all Apple products are bound to go that route eventually.
Then what? The Pro 13 becomes an unnecessarily heavy machine for no real reason. It needs to offer better CPU, GPU, and RAM to justify its weight or it is a dead man walking.
256gb+ ssds in airs have the same exact Samsung 830 as the rMBP's so I don't know where you're getting the rMBP has faster ssds from. Also, given apples current animosity towards Samsung, it remains to be seen if the 128gb is the Samsung 830 or an inferior toshiba such is found in the 128gb or less ssds on the airs.
A brief review of the 13" rMBP
Well, just for the experience I went and bought one yesterday - the 13" with 256 GB SSD, one of the only models they actually stock. The usual nice packaging, store experience was fine, etc.
Looks fine, totally not worth the money - it gives you nothing that the cMBP doesn't already do, unless an HDMI port is that big a deal - and there are adapters out there for mini-DP to HDMI . . .
[Edited since I posted an expanded version in the MacBook Pro forum.]
Well, just for the experience I went and bought one yesterday - the 13" with 256 GB SSD, one of the only models they actually stock. The usual nice packaging, store experience was fine, etc.
Looks fine, totally not worth the money - it gives you nothing that the cMBP doesn't already do, unless an HDMI port is that big a deal - and there are adapters out there for mini-DP to HDMI . . .
[Edited since I posted an expanded version in the MacBook Pro forum.]
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Every other PC and consumer electronics manufacturer must be fretting about their mentally stable customers as they continue to contract and Apple continues to expand.
Well duh. Otherwise, why waste space on a dGPU if it's impossible to use ?
It switches to the dGPU when apps demand it, you know, like games or things like Blender/Maya/AutoCad...
Yes, I get that. The poster I was referring to made it seem like it was unimportant to have a dGPU. My point is that at these resolutions, it is very important. It entirely possible people will want to do more than basic web browsing and word processing on their $1600+ laptop.
At these resolutions it doesn't matter. The resolution is not what makes the dGPU important, that's the point the poster was making.
The Intel HD 4000 is plenty capable of pushing the pixels. It's the tasks. Gaming on a 320m and gaming on a GT 650m is a hell of a difference for instance, no matter the display resolution.
For basic web browsing and word processing it doesn't matter. Those are things you can do with laptops costing 1/5 the price. Like I said, plenty of people are going to want to do more than that with this machine, and that's where it would matter. If it didn't matter, there would be no need for a dGPU on any thing.
Completely Overpriced
I do not see why anyone would consider buying this laptop, since for $100 more you could get a 27" iMac
The MacBook Pro is already overpriced, but this thing (along with its 15" counterpart) is outrageously expensive for a 13" laptop
I do not see why anyone would consider buying this laptop, since for $100 more you could get a 27" iMac
The MacBook Pro is already overpriced, but this thing (along with its 15" counterpart) is outrageously expensive for a 13" laptop
I do not see why anyone would consider buying this laptop, since for $100 more you could get a 27" iMac
The MacBook Pro is already overpriced, but this thing (along with its 15" counterpart) is outrageously expensive for a 13" laptop
THIS.
Those "classic" designs are four years old. The profit margin must exceed sixty percent. Apple does not want them to stop selling so they slapped this head spinning price on the 13" Retina.
What a ridiculous price for what it offers. Guess Apple wants to make sure they never even come close to gaining ground on MS in computer sales.