Considering that the drivers will be there, it's a pretty large assumption that it will...unless Apple got rid of the holes by requiring an EFI ROM on the video card.
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Apple Introduces New Mac Pro with Nehalem Xeon Processors
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Considering that the drivers will be there, it's a pretty large assumption that it will...unless Apple got rid of the holes by requiring an EFI ROM on the video card.
I guess 20B is not enough as they are looking at even bigger margins.
I agree Mac Pro at a budget is a oxymoron. Still I dont see why Apple is jacking up the prices at this point.
Apple is recession proof but its customers are definitely not. I am willing to bet MP sales will fall.
No, it's just like the tools that have already been provided with other OSes for years (if not decades). It just has a cooler name.
Grand Central is not going to suddenly parallelise serial code. No matter how much fairy dust and unicorn poo Apple says it has.
What, we're supposed to be good little drones and willingly accept a 100% price increase? Okay, the price is now ten grand. What's your braking point? When do you start "whining"? Apple has finally figured out it can charge whatever prices it wants no matter how outrageous because it alone controls OSX. They have finally become the tyrant they had the potential to be.
With the standard integrated intel graphics card and 1 gb of ram? Nope sorry.
even thinking "2-3x the performance" is a serious disconnect from reality.
Really? You want to spend $1800 to buy two Apple LED cinema displays, but the extra $150 for a card is what pisses you off? Just buy a MiniDisplayPort > DVI and get two NON-APPLE 24" monitors for under $1000.
Samsung is a GREAT brand.
Anandtech did test nehalem xeon in couple of benchmarks and they were approaching numbers of 4-socket platform.
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=554
There was also a report comparing nehalem xeom with older 4 socket barcelona xeon and dunnington. I have to search that article.
Of course they have, what else do you expect? Do you think Apple is your friend? Good god people are naive.
I'm not saying the new Mac Pro is good buy. I'm say its a terrible buy, as its always been.
But if it meets your needs, this is simply what it costs. Complaining about it does nothing. Its a tragedy, but not nearly as big a tragedy as people's non-thinking reaction.
I would agree to the extent that consumer sales of Mac Pro will fall. I think that other avenues will still buy the Mac Pro such as professionals and Universities. etc. For instance, my Ph.D. funding has a pretty large amount included for technology and I will most definitely purchase the new MP. In my department alone, there are several other who wouldn't think twice about it.
Hopefully they do not generate too much ill will with their customers with the current economic situation.
I'm not making excuses for Apple and their pricing, but seriously, this has got to be the biggest number of whiners I've ever seen for a bunch of people who:
A. Have never used the machine
B. Haven't seen any real world test results or synthetic benchmarks yet.
With every release of an Apple product, I expect to see a mass exodus to Windows judging by the complainers on this site.......yet you're all still here. lol
A true judgement as to whether or not these machines are overpriced is to see what the XW series from HP will cost with these procs, Lenovo D Series, Dell, etc.
A. Have never used the machine
B. Haven't seen any real world test results or synthetic benchmarks yet.
With every release of an Apple product, I expect to see a mass exodus to Windows judging by the complainers on this site.......yet you're all still here. lol
A true judgement as to whether or not these machines are overpriced is to see what the XW series from HP will cost with these procs, Lenovo D Series, Dell, etc.
We need actual benchmark data, not speculation or hype
Exactly my thoughts! I don't need to hear a nehalem fan tell me how great this processor is unless you can show me concrete performance data buddy! If the octo 2.23GHz nehalem is at least equal in terms of performance speed to last year's octo 2.8Ghz, then I'll consider it. If not, then I'll happily wait for macmall or macclub to offer a huge discount on last year's model and not give apple the satisfaction for ripping me off more cash from me. I under that there's an Apple Tax, but this is ridiculous.
Exactly my thoughts! I don't need to hear a nehalem fan tell me how great this processor is unless you can show me concrete performance data buddy! If the octo 2.23GHz nehalem is at least equal in terms of performance speed to last year's octo 2.8Ghz, then I'll consider it. If not, then I'll happily wait for macmall or macclub to offer a huge discount on last year's model and not give apple the satisfaction for ripping me off more cash from me. I under that there's an Apple Tax, but this is ridiculous.
Does this surprise you? 50% of US citizens pay no income tax, but expect free health care. Our whole economy is going down the tubes as people bought houses they had no ability to pay for. The government is printing money and spending it, when they are completely broke.
today's times are ALL ABOUT getting something for nothing, and Apple is not playing with that theme, so people are going to BMC about it....
I have a 2008 3ghz octocore mac pro, so I'm not going to be upgrading personally, but this is brand new technology and it's going to be expensive for awhile. If you can't afford it, move along and buy something you can actually pay for people.
What you are missing is the point. Apple is selling these machines for roughly 79% profit margin, if you give them the benefit of the doubt and figure the system hardware is $1400.
We KNOW that the processors cost $500 less than last years low end, ($290 vs $760 for the $2199 4 core) and they charge $300 more.
we KNOW that the higher base 8 core costs about $700 less ($390*2 vs $760 *2). But they charge $500 more.
If the chassis (nearly identical to last years) and board costs $500 more this year, then the machines are only slightly over priced. But the fact remains that the chance is slim that the hardware, aside from the processors, is more than $200.
They have no justification for selling these for more than $1999 and 2799 AT ALL. 1799 and 2499 is more than reasonable given the huge cuts in component prices
If toyota comes out with a prius that gets 70mpg and costs $2000 less to manufacture, do you think they would sell many for $25000 instead of $22000?
Oh, now that is rich. Windows implementation of multiple processors is so piss poor that such a statement is literally laughable. Can't speak to linus solaris or FreeBSD, but windows isn't even in the ballpark with what Grand central is supposed to do.
Um, what?OS X has had support for multiple cores/processors for YEARS.
There are different levels of "support". All those other OSes are at a much higher level, because the developers behind them have been doing it for a lot longer.
Right. Just like other platforms have had for years already.
OS X's first foray into SMP was around 2000.
FreeBSD's was around 1997.
Linux's was in 1996.
Windows' was 1993.
Solaris's was around 1992.
You'll excuse me if I don't think Apple is going to suddenly introduce anything groundbreaking, when they've only been in the game about half as long.
Lets step back a moment. If you look at the PC market, you can quickly find out that there is a dramatic increase in cost for the bloomfield and especially the gainstown platform in comparison to the previous platform. Why would you not expect an increase in price? Only having to use ECC memory instead of FB dimms has decreased the memory cost a lot (which people have already pointed out). The enterprise version of the processors and the compatible chipset are however simply pricy. Is apple overcharging? They always have greater margins than other OEMs. Is the price worth it? That has yet to be determined. The performance boost could be dramatic, but most especially in multithreading, which is going to become more embedded in snow leopard. if your doing single-threaded work, your better off with either the single core (which has the HT as necessary) or the last generation processors. If you use mutithreaded software, the gainstown will show a dramatic improvement.
They have every justification in the world, and its the people's fault. This product has been priced as such because there are people (lots of them) who will pay this ^ for this ^.
Do people not understand product pricing and marketing? Apple does not take marketing risks, despite how so many uninformed people think so.
They know exactly what they are doing every step of the way. If anything, the break down of components cost vs. retail price should show all of you just so far in Apple's pockets you all are.
They priced it that way because they know you'll buy it. Its that simple. And sad. Have we already forgotten than an 8 gig, EDGE iPhone cost $635 w/ tax 18 months ago?
Umm, it's called the FREE MARKET. Google it. Their justification is called "Shareholders" (of which I am one). Do you think for one second that they didn't carefully research price points before release?
Does anyone understand economics anymore?
I wouldn't say that number is exactly accurate, but unless Apple Apple had some deal with intel for cheaper xeons and chipsets, they look to be making close to double per machine what they did with the last revision. If intel jacked up the price to what everybody is paying as punishment for that could explain the 8-core pricing. The Quad core pricing though seems to be pure gorging the buyer.
What the hell? What is with the entry level price point??
From what I understand:
$150 graphics card
$100 SuperDrive
$200 HDD
$373 processor
$150 memory??
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$973
So the logic board (again without wireless) and the case costs OVER $1500? I'm sorry, but Apple's ENTRY LEVEL PowerMacs used to be $1500, TOTAL. What ever happened to that? I know asking $1499 for the entry level is stretching it, especially in these economic times, but even $1999 would have been better then what they're asking for now.
I mean, really... people complain about the iMac prices, but this is just pathetic... I almost hope the iPhone starts getting smacked around, so Apple realizes it has to give a ***** about it's desktop market again.
I'm with you on that. I'd like to see iPhone and iPod sdales fall off a cliff and abanded by Apple too. Then they'd have to go back to making computers.
But the price is reasonable. Remember this is ECC RAM. That's something all computers really should have (but don't so as to reduce the cost) and the case design is not cheap. The Apple chassis is at least 4X better thwen even the top of the line Antec chassis. And logic boards at thios level do cost. I doubt you could buy one for les then about $250 to $350. The rest of the cost is for the "free" software and for Apple's typical 35% margin