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I dont get why anybody would buy AppleTv especially in the uk where you don't get Netflix and it is more expensive because of taxes.All it really does is let you buy(stream) more stuff from itunes and watch youtube on your tv and ive never heard of anyone doing that.Why not just make it a bit bigger and have a few more features maybe a hard drive,1080p video and more video formats, apple should pay more attention to features not the size and looks and dont care how big it is as long as its reasonable it doesn't have to be portable.If you have an iphone or itouch cant you just plug it into your tv wouldn't it do the same thing?

We would need to have BBC iplayer on it and others (ITV, 4OD...) and who knows, maybe LOVEFiLM will be at some point on it, which would be very similar to having a Netflix
 
HA, thanks for the laugh.

but honestly, i think this is much better then the previous version - except it doesnt have storage :( (or a USB port to attach stuff!)

Do we know that for sure? I thought I saw someone say a USB port was located right beneath the HDMI port. It'll be interesting to see this thing taken apart. If there's no way to hack it from the outside, there may be a simple way from the inside.
 
Do we know that for sure? I thought I saw someone say a USB port was located right beneath the HDMI port. It'll be interesting to see this thing taken apart. If there's no way to hack it from the outside, there may be a simple way from the inside.

It's got a Micro-USB for service and support but unless someone develops a hack you can't use it to connect external storage.

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Who the heck is "we" ??? :confused: In any case, your points are totally absurd since you can get content from any number of legitimate sources these days (including a huge variety of HD camcorders for home movies; ever hear of those? I have tons of SD hom movies and I've converted them to run on my 1st gen ATV, but why would I want to downgrade 1080p home movies to 720p just to run on ATV and then Apple provides NO HELP what-so-ever to do even that much from iTunes. They'll let you rip CDs all day long from iTunes, but convert your own movies? No way. And we already know they won't support competitor formats. And THAT is what you should have said in the first place. Apple will not make it easy to watch content from ANYONE BUT APPLE on APPLE products. THAT is *THE* bottom line. 1080p is not important to Apple because they don't want to sell it so YOU DON'T NEED IT. That's why all their products (iPhone, new iPod Touch) only do 720p. 1080p doesn't exist in Steve Jobs' world and so apple fritters shouldn't believe it exists either.



This is just an absurd statement as you imply no "legitimate" content can come from anyone but Apple (seeing as you won't be able to import anything from anyone else because Apple won't support their formats). I mean just get a clue already. Stop acting like Apple is the only fruit in the Universe and that everyone else should just pretend all the watermelons, grapes and figs don't exist. OK, now I'm getting hungry. :D


"We" is just a figurative expression ok? And you must not have read the whole post. This not about Apple being the only legitimate source. It is about Apple not making it easy to play ripped/torrented content. As I already said, they throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you don't get what that means, it means that since Apple doesn't help you play ripped content, they also don't help you play legitimately purchased content from sources other than iTunes.

So you can argue two things: Apple doesn't help you play content from sources from other than iTunes because A) They want to make more money, or B) They want to make it more difficult to get torrented/ripped content onto the appleTV as a playing card to get more networks on board with them.
 
How will this work with older TV sets that only have rca/AV inputs?

Are there adaptor cables or boxes that will convert the signal?

I too would like to know this. There are cables out there. The only problem I can see is HDCP not allowing purchased material to play on it. I'd imagine ripped DVDs from your own library. Or would HDCP just not allow any content to play?

Has anyone done this with the last generation Apple TV and, if so, what was the outcome?
 
I too would like to know this. There are cables out there. The only problem I can see is HDCP not allowing purchased material to play on it. I'd imagine ripped DVDs from your own library. Or would HDCP just not allow any content to play?

Has anyone done this with the last generation Apple TV and, if so, what was the outcome?
Unless the tv is widescreen I wouldn't bother, since the proportions will be off. The current :apple:TV can work with component inputs (or with some hacking a composite input) but the proportions are designed for widescreen format, so everything will look tall and skinny on a 4:3 tv.
 
Unless the tv is widescreen I wouldn't bother, since the proportions will be off. The current :apple:TV can work with component inputs (or with some hacking a composite input) but the proportions are designed for widescreen format, so everything will look tall and skinny on a 4:3 tv.

I have a widescreen TV. It's just a case of getting the input to work without having to worry about HDCP or anything like that.
 
It's still a hobby to them it seems....

I couldn't care less about what iTunes has to offer in television or Movies.

I usually wait till DVD/ Blu-ray release. BUT i would love to be able to watch my Home Movies in their full 1080p glory, the way they were filmed.

Firstly they screw up (convert) my footage when importing to FCE, then it's reconverted after editing so i can watch it in quicktime. But the only place i can watch it is on my iMac.
Can't burn it to BD from FCE .... so what are you to do.

Keep the raw footage as best you can and just wait till they pull there thumbs out and realise there is more to peoples viewing than whats on iTunes.
 
And how it's bad? If you perfer being trapped somewhere else it's your choice to make and please skip the "conspiracy theory" it's funny to read as it is.

There are many ways to answer this question. Firstly, the question itself is a reflection of a belief hold by many Apple customers. They accepted the inevitability of having to be locked in someone's ecosystem. You do not have to be locked!

Secondly, lets talk about other ecosystems. Well, there is hardly any other vertical ecosystem. Apple is just about the last vertically integrated company in the computer world. They sell you hardware, software, services and content. They can lock you up. Others can not. Apple customers start by paying high price for hardware and continue by paying high prices for everything else. Take example of Roku. They only sell hardware. They are interested that Roku owner had access to as much content providers as possible. This is the only way for them to increase sales. It's totally reverse situation for Apple.

Thirdly, if for some reason you prefer to be locked into some ecosystem, try Amazon. You are guaranteed to pay same or less for all content there than on iTunes. Bringing the point closer to ATV, just compare ATV's price $0.99 for renting TV show with Amazon where the same money actually buys you the same show. Apple is too cheap (as in "greedy") to sell you the show because they do not want to stream it to you more than once. I would feel offended by this attitude, would you?
 
It's got a Micro-USB for service and support but unless someone develops a hack you can't use it to connect external storage.

That's what the USB port was for on the original AppleTV so I imagine the hack would be very similar. That looks like a standard USB port to me gaging by the size relative to the HDMI port, but at worst it would need an adapter. The biggest question is probably how much free space there is on the SSD drive or whatever they're using to boot the thing up. As long as there's enough space for XBMC, Boxee, etc. (doesn't take much), I'm sure they'll have it hacked and working in short order. If so, I might just pick up a couple of these things (and move the older two ATVs I have to other rooms). At $99, it's cheaper than an Airport Express by $10, so I'd still rather buy these than those (i.e. add video and audio, not just audio) plus the Netflix rental option might be nice (seeing as Apple's own rentals are so darn expensive).

I'm not sure about the actual hardware on this thing (whether or not its physically capable of handling 1080p stock on OSX), but I do know it can probably do it regardless with a proper video driver (seeing as even Intel onboard video can manage on a netbook under Windows). The problem is that Apple isn't supporting those older GPUs so it might depend on what it's using. I'm guessing it's probably the same thing (or better) as an iPad and clearly the latest iPhones CAN play 1080p content (Apple HD trailers will play and even if they're scaled, it still has to process them). I'm guessing all the crying on here about 1080p is probably premature. I'm guessing a hacked new ATV will be capable of 1080p, but we'll have to wait and see.

If it is capable and it can be hacked to run something like Plex or XBMC or Boxee, this thing could be smoking hot for $99. Like I said, it's already better than paying $110 for an Airport Express just to get audio and you have to compare similar products and prices. Even for an audio system $99 is a good deal to add more audio rooms (i.e. Compare to Squeezebox or Sonus). I think some people on here expect everything for NOTHING these days. I think it's the whole Napster/Torrent "I want everything for FREE" mentality. Really, home theater equipment in general is dirt cheap compared to 1990s. I still have around 100 laserdiscs that cost an average of $40-50 a piece sitting here and a $2000 projector today is better than a $25,000 projector from 10 years ago! Receivers that decode everything can be had with good power for under $400. It's amazing, really. But until it's free, people will whine it's not good enough.


"We" is just a figurative expression ok?

It makes you sound like you're talking for a whole bunch of people on here or something. I thought maybe you had a significant other sitting beside you or something.

And you must not have read the whole post. This not about Apple being the only legitimate source. It is about Apple not making it easy to play ripped/torrented content. As I already said, they throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you don't get what that means, it means that since Apple doesn't help you play ripped content, they also don't help you play legitimately purchased content from sources other than iTunes.

But that's not what you said. You talked almost entirely about illegitimate sources. I'm simply saying Apple couldn't care less about legitimate sources one way or the other. They simply want you to buy everything from Apple (that includes battery chargers these days). What's next, I wonder? Blenders? Toasters? Oh wait, I think NewTek owns those. :D
 
I considered waiting but didn't. I picked up a Sony bluray dvd player for $199. I have access to Netflix, Hulu Plus, Pandora, Slacker, and can stream my videos from my iMac.

Sorry but this isn't 'good enough'. It's pitiful


I agree, I can do all this from my LG TV with the benefit of one extra cable (CAT5) with the exception of playing the iTune's rentals, but I think .99 cents for an episode rental is too high.
 
There are many ways to answer this question. Firstly, the question itself is a reflection of a belief hold by many Apple customers. They accepted the inevitability of having to be locked in someone's ecosystem. You do not have to be locked!

Secondly, lets talk about other ecosystems. Well, there is hardly any other vertical ecosystem. Apple is just about the last vertically integrated company in the computer world. They sell you hardware, software, services and content. They can lock you up. Others can not. Apple customers start by paying high price for hardware and continue by paying high prices for everything else. Take example of Roku. They only sell hardware. They are interested that Roku owner had access to as much content providers as possible. This is the only way for them to increase sales. It's totally reverse situation for Apple.

Thirdly, if for some reason you prefer to be locked into some ecosystem, try Amazon. You are guaranteed to pay same or less for all content there than on iTunes. Bringing the point closer to ATV, just compare ATV's price $0.99 for renting TV show with Amazon where the same money actually buys you the same show. Apple is too cheap (as in "greedy") to sell you the show because they do not want to stream it to you more than once. I would feel offended by this attitude, would you?


Well i'm not locked nor do i feel being locked. I bought some past-DRM music on iTunes and some TV Shows, but mostly i buy apps now. My media comes from CD, DVD and Bluray i buy.

Tell me how i'm locked and where? Anyone with Apple devices can do the same thing. If you want easy you buy on iTunes and have it on your Apple devices, if yuo can waste some time as i do you buy it somewhere else.
 
Well i'm not locked nor do i feel being locked. I bought some past-DRM music on iTunes and some TV Shows, but mostly i buy apps now. My media comes from CD, DVD and Bluray i buy.

Tell me how i'm locked and where? Anyone with Apple devices can do the same thing. If you want easy you buy on iTunes and have it on your Apple devices, if yuo can waste some time as i do you buy it somewhere else.

If you buy ATV, you are locked to iTunes. Luckily Apple allowed to watch Netflix now (I am sure they did not want to but if they did not nobody would buy thin thing). You can not buy shows from Amazon.
 
sounds like a pre-auth to me. The funds will be released in a couple of days and then charged again when product is ready for shipping,

Surprised they would run a pre-auth for the full amount. Most companies do it for like a dollar.
 
That's what the USB port was for on the original AppleTV so I imagine the hack would be very similar. That looks like a standard USB port to me gaging by the size relative to the HDMI port, but at worst it would need an adapter.

Apple call it a Micro-USB on their specs page.

The biggest question is probably how much free space there is on the SSD drive or whatever they're using to boot the thing up. As long as there's enough space for XBMC, Boxee, etc. (doesn't take much)

Even if there is enough space, the XBMC & Boxee programs from the current Apple TV hack won't run on the A4 processor in the new box.
 
If you buy ATV, you are locked to iTunes. Luckily Apple allowed to watch Netflix now (I am sure they did not want to but if they did not nobody would buy thin thing). You can not buy shows from Amazon.

You can buy shows from amazon, for .99....
 
If you buy ATV, you are locked to iTunes. Luckily Apple allowed to watch Netflix now (I am sure they did not want to but if they did not nobody would buy thin thing). You can not buy shows from Amazon.

Not sure what your point about being "locked" to itunes is. I'm not interested in torrents, but I do like to convert all my DVDs to iTunes compatible m4v files with Handbrake. iTunes makes a good system for accessing these files. That's how I use my existing AppleTVs. I do not envisage buying a new one to rent movies or tv shows. Where's the "lock"?
 
Not sure what your point about being "locked" to itunes is. I'm not interested in torrents, but I do like to convert all my DVDs to iTunes compatible m4v files with Handbrake. iTunes makes a good system for accessing these files. That's how I use my existing AppleTVs. I do not envisage buying a new one to rent movies or tv shows. Where's the "lock"?

Well, we are discussing the new ATV the main new feature of which is renting TV shows from iTunes for $0.99
 
Even if there is enough space, the XBMC & Boxee programs from the current Apple TV hack won't run on the A4 processor in the new box.

Well no one said the old hack would work on the new box, but that doesn't mean there won't be a hack for it within a few months, if not sooner. Of course if there isn't enough space for something like XBMC to even fit on the thing (it has to boot off something), there won't be any point unless they enable external storage somehow (hub + drive?). The HDMI only is a killer for me at the moment. I'd have to replace my current receiver (few hundred $$$ minimum) to get HDMI switching. I could run a single cable for one device, but that'd be a pain just to get Netflix support.
 
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