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I don't want it to be essentially an Apple branded cable box. I cut the cord a long time ago.
I want a better UI and lower latency Airplay. As for deals with content providers, just give me lower priced season passes and maybe add supported subscriptions and I will be more then satisfied.
 
How about ditch cable and go outside and exercise ?!

Many of us Americans watch too much tv

We crossfit at lunchtime then yoga after work

Don't tell me you don't have enough time to work out.

Don't you dare

They will hit you with the iwatch after they fatten you up ;)
 
I've always had the thought of them trying to get the Television providers (Comcast, TWC, Verizon, etc) to add a channel to the AppleTV. you log in and don't need a box top like the providers have. you could watch TV that way...though that seems to go against the iTunes model of selling season passes, individual shows. the only thing it really does (in my eyes) is sell less TV but possibly allow you to easily purchase a movie in iTunes since you are there already. I think many providers have deals with stuff like Redbox and others though.

but it could be all local stations are provided via the major TV provider. could be nice to purchase a la carte channels for 99¢ a month or have some package deals that way. the Cooking Package...Travel Package, Science Package, Entertainment package, trashTV package, comedy package...buy packages and then if there is a couple shows you still want to watch, Buy them from iTunes.

and I do get bothered with changing the input to watch the AppleTV. if that was easier too, i'd be on it a lot more.
 
Developers get it.

6 or 7 months to think up, design/develop, (test???), and submit apps for an Apple TV App store. That's about the right ballpark for brand new apps requiring a new and different UX paradigm (obviously something completely different from touching a TV screen).

And tell people "hey, don't buy an Apple TV for 7 months"?

The original iPad didn't have that long, a new Apple TV doesn't need that long.
 
Or just change habits, and watch free 1080i OTA channels. You get local channels, plus NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX all in HD for $0.00/month. And everything else you can probably do something more useful than watching TV. Like reading a book, being with your family, playing board games with kids, getting some exercise, etc......

i did that for a year of cord cutting as well as netflix and went back to cable

Disney jr is worth the extra money after my kids started watching too much cartoons i thought they were too young for and netflix didn't have a good selection for their age. i could have done the a la carte itunes thing, but at $30 to $40 per season you might as well pay for cable

now i can watch basketball and will get more MLB games this year, including the good ones that are only on the regional sports networks

and the xbox one is better than any board game, most of which are completely devoid of any thought and strategy. roll die, move, get card, repeat
 
No big deal unless Apple can negotiate directly with TV channels to offer a la carte programming without a cable subscription. If that happens, I'll buy 2-3 of them and bid farewell to my TV bill forever. :)

Apple offers a la carte across all major networks already. If it is on TV tonight you can generally purchase the show tomorrow.

I don't understand the desire for a la carte channels. For that matter, I haven't cared about a channel for over five years and certainly haven't missed them. Why would I want to get, say, everything on AMC rather than just the show or two that I actually watch?

The desire to be able to watch a show at the same time as it airs rather than the next day ... maybe that's important for some people, but I find that "the day it airs" has just been shifted for me by 24 hours (or whatever the actual delay between broadcast and availability happens to be for the particular show). No one that I know who has a cable subscription still watches anything as it airs; they all Tivo and watch the next day anyway. So, I don't miss out on "water cooler conversation" in any case.

What I would like to see from Apple, in fact, is the exact opposite of a "support a la carte channels". Allow individual apps to be installed (either Apple does this as now, or an app store opens up), and allow them to "subscribe" to content. But, and this is the biggie that's missing: provide a single search and favoriting interface across all the apps in addition to the app-centric browse interface. If I want to watch American Horror Story, I should be able to go to one place and see the options available to me - Buy from iTunes, Season Pass from iTunes, stream from Amazon (oh yeah, that needs to be added too), stream with ads from Hulu Plus, etc.

The counter argument to this is "that would cut into Apple's content sales profits; never happen!" That's BS. Apple routinely cuts into its content sales profits. Apple is a hardware and software company. Unlike some of their competitors, Apple makes a profit (and a healthy one) from selling its hardware, AppleTV included. Having people using its hardware on its platform is a huge advantage for Apple, and almost as valuable as the entirety of the content sales business.

Besides which, Apple's content sales have many distinct advantages over the competition; they aren't just the "you didn't know better" store to go to. They are generally about the same price as Amazon (sometimes a little more, rarely a little less for season passes), but they allow local downloads and are higher quality. They are obviously more expensive than a subscription to Hulu Plus (assuming you watch more than a couple shows each month), but are much higher quality and without ads.

As often as I would go in and say, "Huh. I guess this is available on Hulu; I'll just watch it there," I would likewise go in intending to watch something on Hulu or Amazon and say "Ugh. I don't feel like the ads. Let's just buy this episode this time."

I don't care how Apple gets there. I suspect that keeping it a walled garden they would be able to get there much faster than if they open it up to all comers. And the fact that they haven't done it any time in the past several years leaves the unsavory impression that they just don't want to consolidate viewing and/or think they can "win" all content sales by shutting out "the competition". I'm hoping that's wrong, though. Apple has a lot to win by making the AppleTV the go-to interface and hub for all video content.
 
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Hello just thought I'd alert you to the typo " before it's public launch owing to ". Since it is the possessive pronoun you are using, the apostrophe is not needed.
You should be, after all, an example to the usual grammatically 'creative' contributors to this site. ;)
 
You can safely forget about a la carte programming. The licensing of cable and broadcast stations is just too big a hairball for even Apple to untangle. Just rationalizing the cable interface would be a significant advance. We pay those monster cable bills and still we get saddled with a selector box out of the tech stone age. Apple can fix that part.

That would make a lot of sense if Apple was absolutely dying to provide access to Spokane's Channel 37. But, why the hell would Apple want to do that? People watch shows, not channels. Channels are a delivery mechanism. Shows are the content.

Apple already offers the shows a la carte. So, obviously, no big new licensing deal needed there. I would imagine if they wanted a "channel" arrangement they could provide a "get a season pass to all AMC's shows for $X" deal without having to renegotiate anything at all.
 
That would make a lot of sense if Apple was absolutely dying to provide access to Spokane's Channel 37. But, why the hell would Apple want to do that? People watch shows, not channels. Channels are a delivery mechanism. Shows are the content.

Apple already offers the shows a la carte. So, obviously, no big new licensing deal needed there. I would imagine if they wanted a "channel" arrangement they could provide a "get a season pass to all AMC's shows for $X" deal without having to renegotiate anything at all.

That would be very expensive, those networks make all their money from ads which a la carte doesn't have. A season to a show is like 40$, now add all those shows and networks a person wants, now add all those seasons those shows have since those networks play reruns since many people missed or just got into a show. Thats more than paying for cable with ease.
 
I'm happy to see Apple stick to the box approach for the time being. I think it's the right way to go.
 
A world Geography Lesson, American Style

Only if you live in the USA. :(

The earth landmass begins with California and ends in Maine. Canada (according to SouthPark) is not really a country. Neither is Mexico. Therefore, we don't care about what insignificant land masses and wannabe countries exist beyond our xenophobic boarders.
:cool::D
 
I don't mean to sound rude, but why do you come on MacRumors? This site mostly focuses on news and rumors of future products that are not confirmed by Apple.

I think he means Apple announcing products WAYYYYYYY before they release it.
 
Apple offers a la carte across all major networks already. If it is on TV tonight you can generally purchase the show tomorrow...
Apple has a lot to win by making the AppleTV the go-to interface and hub for all video content.

I can relate to a lot of your points. I rarely watch a show "live" but I do often want to watch the same evening, time delayed and skipping through commercials. Where I have a problem is in trying out new shows before buying a season pass. iTunes does not make it cost effective to try out a new series. If you buy the first episode or 2 then you have inflated the cost of the seasons pass. If you just jump in and buy a season pass, then find out it's not something your interested in for the long run (which often happens with me), then you've wasted valuable subscription money and cable fees start not looking so bad.

I should mention my satellite fees are only $95/mo and I can't do OTA due to living on the fringe of signal. So, for access to live sports, local channels, and an endless source of inane cable channels, $95/mo does not seem unreasonable. Now if I wasn't interested in those things and only wanted HBO, Starz, iTunes might be able to fill the bill more cheaply.
 
That would be very expensive, those networks make all their money from ads which a la carte doesn't have. A season to a show is like 40$, now add all those shows and networks a person wants, now add all those seasons those shows have since those networks play reruns since many people missed or just got into a show. Thats more than paying for cable with ease.

Hmm. And yet, many people who do exactly that end up spending much less for entertainment than they were spending on cable.

My specific example: We dropped an $85/month DirecTV bundle (which had been grandfathered in over several years) in 2008 and went with Hulu+AppleTV+DVDs. Out the gate, we set our budget at $20/month. It was easy to stick to. We've added Amazon Prime (primarily for shipping) since then and changed Hulu to Hulu Plus (and gotten rid of the laptop sitting next to the TV in the mix), but still manage $30/month overall ($40 some months, but that is completely in our own control). This is a family of eight, with kids aged (now) 6 through 17 and the varied programming needs/desires to match.

The main strategy here is simple:

* Hulu is ad-supported and lower-quality streaming. Use it for the "B-tier" shows.
* iTunes is more expensive, but is also higher-quality and can be downloaded and watched anywhere at any time. Use it for "A-tier" shows.
* Past seasons for catch-up can often (but not always) be bought on DVD and ripped cheaper, or just watch them on Hulu/Amazon if available there.

If we want to budget a little less one month, we "skimp" and watch those shows on Hulu (or not at all and catch up later on).

We watch probably 80% of our content on Hulu. The remaining 20% goes to Apple for iTunes shows. This keeps us well under budget for our month-to-month entertainment costs, and still with a very healthy backlog of shows (more shows to watch than we have time to watch them, to be honest!)

The thing is, though, if we went to 100% iTunes (cutting out the Hulu Plus subscription), we still would be less than what that DirecTV subscription would cost us if we subscribed today ($125 was the last estimate based on their current packaging structure; $22/month * 5 is $110/month). At the very least, it is competitive. With our current setup, though, we are in control of how much we spend each month, rather than being locked in by the satellite or cable provider.
 
My prediction: This new Apple TV will be as much about gaming as it will be about TV content. They are going to go up against Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft in the gaming space. Think about it:

  • Apple added game controllers into iOS.
  • They are pushing the envelope hard on CPU and GPU design.
  • Games on iPhone and iPad are a big buisiness.
  • iOS games already rival PS2 and first gen Xbox graphics quality, or better.

So here's my take on what the new Apple TV will offer:
  • A7 chip
  • 16 or 32 GB of flash storage
  • All games downloaded through iTunes with cloud saved game storage
  • 1 or 2 GB of RAM
  • 1080p
  • One controller, potentially with motion sensing
  • Siri
  • $329
  • Expanded TV offerings, and maybe it will function as a cable box for certain contracted providers (much like the Xbox)

If the last bullet is true, then it would need DVR functionality and that would mean a real hard drive. Not sure about that one.

6 months should be enough time for developers to convert existing iOS games to work well on the Apple TV with controller input.
 
My Apple TV is a brick... just sitting there never being used. It's pretty boring without Netflix... could probably call it the Netflix box. The other content is just inconsequential. It would be nice if it offered as much content as cable... and also have the content updated every week.
 
I can relate to a lot of your points. I rarely watch a show "live" but I do often want to watch the same evening, time delayed and skipping through commercials. Where I have a problem is in trying out new shows before buying a season pass. iTunes does not make it cost effective to try out a new series. If you buy the first episode or 2 then you have inflated the cost of the seasons pass. If you just jump in and buy a season pass, then find out it's not something your interested in for the long run (which often happens with me), then you've wasted valuable subscription money and cable fees start not looking so bad.

I believe that "Complete My Season" is universal or nearly so. If you buy the first 2 episodes of a new show for $6 (HD) and the season is $35 (HD), then you can get the rest of the season for $29. The only hitch is that HD and SD versions are treated as different shows, so you can't, say, get the first episode as a free sampler in HD (iTunes used to do that a lot) then buy the second episode in SD and get the rest of the season pass in either SD or HD with both ep's discounted. But, that's not a very common scenario.

In my case, though, "new show discovery" tends to happen on Hulu or the network's online streaming player. There are exceptions where word of mouth has me convinced we'll want to get the show on iTunes (ex, Sherlock) and we jump straight there, but by and large Hulu is good for sampling a show.

I should mention my satellite fees are only $95/mo and I can't do OTA due to living on the fringe of signal. So, for access to live sports, local channels, and an endless source of inane cable channels, $95/mo does not seem unreasonable. Now if I wasn't interested in those things and only wanted HBO, Starz, iTunes might be able to fill the bill more cheaply.

Live sports is the classical "cut the cord" killer. There just isn't a good option there yet (other than "frequent more sports bars" ...)
 
My family and I spend most of our TV watching on Apple TV these days. And we don't even touch the iTunes store stuff...

Its good news to hear that Apple is going to continue with set top boxes because I like what they have currently with Apple TV and my choice of HDTV.
 
I paid $120 for my OTA and expect a 20 year life cycle, so technically it's more like $0.50/month. :p

In all seriousness, we cut the cord about a year ago and haven't missed a thing. The OTA, Netflix, Amazon Prime (which is used more for 2-day shipping than TV), iTunes, and occasionally Redbox take care of it all. Totals out to less than $25/month on average.

I think many people don't realize that there is free HD OTA signal almost everywhere in The US.
 
Dont really understand what the added value is that Apple delivers, what would make the content owner give up their comfy position at the moment as they control the chain from content creation to content delivery. What makes this deal so "sweet", not in the least for end consumers.

Anyone care to explain ..?

Ever see those messages that say you might lose channel Y because an agreement can't be reached between your cable provider and a certain channel owner? The current situation is only ideal for the cable providers. Plenty of content creators are looking for alternate ways to deliver their content that makes them more money and more say so.
 
FYI:Not everyone in these forums is American.

I don't know who you are directing this to. Since I am not an American (I am living here for work) and am highly athletic. I am having a very hard time understanding your point. Don't I dare what? Don't project most of (as you have stated)Americas bad habits on me. It doesn't apply here. You are barking up the wrong tree my friend.

This was addressed to my fellow overweight couch potato Americans
 
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