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Apple Investigators Posed as Police in New Lost iPhone Prototype Search?

Noisemaker said:
That's all well and good, but that's not the case here. You've got MacRumors creating a massive conspiracy theory about how Apple controls the SFPD and manipulates them.

Where clearly it was just lousy police work and bad reporting.

It's the bad reporting that would be taken as slander and libel.
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You're going to have to copy and paste the article where they did that. Even this story, that we are posting into, posed it as a question. They were asking the question, not making accusations.

Actually, the only ones making unfounded criminal accusations are those here that are accusing MR and arn of slander and libel. Those are baseless and unfounded, much more so than their asking a question would be slanderous or libellous against Apple. Actually, those claims themselves might be considered slanderous and libellous. huh.
 
cere said:
You're going to have to copy and paste the article where they did that. Even this story, that we are posting into, posed it as a question. They were asking the question, not making accusations.

Actually, the only ones making unfounded criminal accusations are those here that are accusing MR and arn of slander and libel. Those are baseless and unfounded, much more so than their asking a question would be slanderous or libellous against Apple. Actually, those claims themselves might be considered slanderous and libellous. huh.
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cere said:
So, does that mean you are going to apologize to arn for making unfounded and inaccurate accusations against him and his publication? That would at least show some level of respect and integrity.
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I don't think you quite understand what's happened here.
 
Noisemaker said:
Where's the formal apology from MacRumors to Apple now that it's clear that the police just screwed up and didn't file it?

This site, for being entirely a fan site for Apple, jumps at any chance to slam them, and I see it as ridiculous.

This whole conspiracy story has been front page, when it's BS. And now that it's PROVEN that the police were involved, and that Apple followed the proper course, the entire story remains - but with the tiniest little "update" tag at the bottom. Someone gets the full story of misinformation and lousy reporting, and by the time they get to the bottom, it's already in their mind that Apple did something that they didn't.

This isn't the first time MacRumors has pulled this crap, and frankly, I hope an Apple attorney makes it the last.
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Totally agree about this fiasco. MacRumors trumpets completely unsubstantiated and false accusations against Apple, then barely acknowledges the ridiculousness of it all. MR should be embarassed beyond belief. Not just for the original story but for Arn's comment (#17) implying that it made sense. I wouldn't go so far as saying Apple should take legal action, but it is quite distasteful.

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cere said:
Of course, now that it has also been acknowledged that the police were there, then there is problem with a private company using the public resources of the police department to gain access to a private residence.
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We don't really know the facts of the search yet. If the resident consented to the people (police and Apple employees) entering his home, then there is no problem. It would be incumbent upon the resident to: a) require a warrant before allowing ANYONE to enter his home; b) require identification (i.e. badge) from those doing so; or c) just say "sure, come on in" to everyone.

If he refused to allow them inside and Apple employees entered anyway, that would be a problem.
 
cere said:
An Apple employee charged with bringing it with them off campus and to use in real world situations. Just like last year.
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Now tell me please, does this charge entitle said employee to lose it in a freakin' bar and have some random dude pick it up so they can test how reliably GPS tracking works? (And it would be especially good if that random dude would work at Engadget or similar media outlet.)

And then, is that job as usual to impersonate a law enforcement officer and scare the living excrement out of a dude who allegedly picked it up?

What the heck, all of us know just how inaccurate a civil GPS device is, especially indoors, especially when stationary. Why didn't they search his neighbors' homes? It could just as well be there. Would be particularly nice to bring the whole issue before court, and outlaw civil GPS tracking data from cell phones as non-evidence altogether.

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Depressionman said:
Don't you find it strange,that every iphone prototype is lost or stolen?It is just marketing.Everyone talks about it all the time so it is constantly being repeated.iPhone 5,iPhone 5,iPhone 5.....endlessly so u don't even think of any other option.It is like-there is nothing else out there.Only iphone my friend.
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Nokia 500! Nokia 500! Galaxy Tab 10.1! Galaxy Tab 10.1! Fresh from Samsung! Nokia N9! Nokia N9, to be finally released this month! Ditch iOS for MeeGo!

^^^^Here I have fixed that for you. :)
 
RobertMartens said:
Arn I think you're in over your head on this one. Arn this is Chinatown.

Besides, the dude said he was at the bar. You know somebody's lying.
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Somebody is indeed lying. Sergio seems to be the only one telling the truth. Many people here, irrationally, tried to say he must be lying when the police were unable to collaborate his story, they said they weren't even there. Next we hear that whomever was at his home identified themselves as police. Again, since the police were adamant they were not there and if we believe the police, that left 2 logical conclusions. Either Sergio was a liar or someone not the police at his home said they were police. Again, Sergio had to be the liar. He had to be playing a hoax to gain attention. He was a lying thief.

Except in every twist, only Sergio's part of the story has consistently held up. The police has been shown to be less than truthful or confused. Apple has made no comments. So, they only party in this mess that has been forthcoming and honest must be the liar. That makes lots of sense. Further, he must also be a thief. No proof, no claims of this from any parties, denials from Sergio, so far the only honest person in the mess, yet he must be a thief.

If this was a google op every single person saying there is nothing wrong would be screaming that "Google Is Evil". Everyone.
 
Popeye206 said:
Nothing wrong with being searched without a warrant if it's the REAL police! But I wouldn't let a rent-a-cop in my house for nothing without a warrant and the police.
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If it's the real police... there's no way I allow them inside my house without a warrant, no matter how innocent I may be.

If it's a rent-a-cop, I call the real police to have them removed from my property.
 
These kinds of searches happen all the time, and I don't think the situation is nearly as sinister as some want to make out. Indeed you can watch this kind of search on Cops albeit in generally different circumstances.

The Apple investigators go to the police and complain they have reason to suspect that stolen company property is at such and such a place. The police listen, and if the Apple people sound reasonable, the police have an obligation to act on the complaint -- just as they would if I went to the police and said I have reason to suspect my car has been stolen and I think it's at location x. It would not be unusual for the police to take the Apple people along, just as they might take me along to find my stolen car because I know where it is and the police want to confirm my story, and want me along to help them figure out if something might be going on between me and the car thief (with experience police get to be suspicious of people's motivations believe it or not).

At the door the police say to the resident, "these guys are from Apple security and they think you have a stolen phone here. Do you have a stolen phone here? Do you mind if we all come in and look."

"Why no officers, I have no iPhone here, you can come in a look if you want." -- the best response for the guy at the door if he does not have the phone. It's generally always best to comply with police instructions and requests and then file a complaint later.

Now it may well be true that Apple security have an easier time getting the police to listen to their complaint than I might -- it really depends on the community, the department, and the specific officers involved.
 
cere said:
Somebody is indeed lying. Sergio seems to be the only one telling the truth. Many people here, irrationally, tried to say he must be lying when the police were unable to collaborate his story, they said they weren't even there. Next we hear that whomever was at his home identified themselves as police. Again, since the police were adamant they were not there and if we believe the police, that left 2 logical conclusions. Either Sergio was a liar or someone not the police at his home said they were police. Again, Sergio had to be the liar. He had to be playing a hoax to gain attention. He was a lying thief.

Except in every twist, only Sergio's part of the story has consistently held up. The police has been shown to be less than truthful or confused. Apple has made no comments. So, they only party in this mess that has been forthcoming and honest must be the liar. That makes lots of sense. Further, he must also be a thief. No proof, no claims of this from any parties, denials from Sergio, so far the only honest person in the mess, yet he must be a thief.

If this was a google op every single person saying there is nothing wrong would be screaming that "Google Is Evil". Everyone.
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It's downright laughable how easy it is for someone to make you waste your own time with some long-winded, drawn out response.

You really must have nothing better to do. ;)
 
Noisemaker said:
It's downright laughable how easy it is for someone to make you waste your own time with some long-winded, drawn out response.

You really must have nothing better to do. ;)
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Hi pot, meet kettle. Here you are again, reading and posting.

Have anything worthwhile or truthful to post yet? tick tock son, tick tock.

(and if three paragraphs is 'long' to you, that is pretty telling of your ability to read and consume information. Comics might be easier to read, but they aren't books. Remember that.
 
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