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If he is this bad at his job perhaps he needs to move on

Its a she... A door slamming she. Probably she is getting the door slammed on her now !

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Where does it say that? The original story had a link to his LinkedIn profile page and showed he's a guy.

There was an article yesterday showing her picture and talking about her temper !
Kim Vorrath
 
Its a female not a guy !

She, not it then.

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Come on people this is NOT a big deal. Apple pulled the update within minutes. And fixed it within 24hrs. For comparison, I emailed Microsoft with an Excel bug eight years ago, it took them 3 weeks to admit it was a bug after denying it strenuously, and it's still in the current version of Excel. 8 years later. It will be there for eternity! So a bunch of early-bird Aussie whingers couldn't watch the golf over wifi on their dingo farms for a few days. Do I care? No! But seriously though, Josh, you might consider pulling that pic of you "sampling the local tobacco" on your personal website!! Not the kind of image you'll be wanting to put over given the current heated atmosphere. A little less of the "wake and bake" attitude and a little more of the "nobody's going to the pub until this is finished, even if it means we've got to sit here all night" will be appreciated by all, especially the folks down under. And by the way, people, STOP BENDING YOUR PHONES! What are you, five years old?

It was out for more than "minutes".
The bug you found likely didn't cause the software package to fail its many advertised and critical uses.
 
It shouldn't have been there, yes, there was a mistake that was corrected. But we should crucify MR for it anyway, right? All kinds of double standards going around everywhere it seems.

Please point out these supposed "double standards" if you can, and especially the ones "going around everywhere." I am damned curious about those, especially in light of the comments made by myself and others about the general lack of editorial standards at MR.
 
Why not? People who screw up like this deserve a PSA so that other companies know to beware.

So, are you sure it was him and not a team?

I guess by your logic, all 100 QA engineers deserve a PSA and be terminated.
 
I guess my thought is that posting this guys name, without any real proof that he's responsible, was egregious. In my mind it was a far greater crime than Apple releasing phones that bend or an iOS update that temporarily broke some phones.

Neither of those events ruined anyone's life. This release of information may do just that.
The few minutes MR included the name and corrected themselves vs. the name still being there and reaching exponentially more people in the ordinal source of the news at Bloomberg. Yes, there's some fault that MR has but by the same respect they addressed that part and even quicker than the quick action Apple took with the botched update. This doesn't mean it's all perfect, but it's also not completely doom and gloom as some takes on it are either. People love to be on the extremes when most things are often not even close and are somewhere in-between.
 
This is silly.

QA wasn't the issue with Apple Maps. The app did what it was supposed to do.

Apple Maps problem wasn't the app, it was the fact it had complete junk data because it was designed by people who fundamentally misunderstood how hard it was to commission maps and it's way too hard to do in the cheap crappy rush job way Apple tried.

It was entirely the fault of the person who commissioned an impossible project - Steve Jobs - and the person who signed off on the junk result being shipped to customers - Tim Cook.
 
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The few minutes MR included the name and corrected themselves vs. the name still being there and reaching exponentially more people in the ordinal source of the news at Bloomberg. Yes, there's some fault that MR has but by the same respect they addressed that part and even quicker than the quick action Apple took with the botched update. This doesn't mean it's all perfect, but it's also not completely doom and gloom as some takes on it are either. People love to be on the extremes when most things are often not even close and are somewhere in-between.

A lack of editorial control and judgement leads inevitably to errors. This is hardly a one-time occurrence but simply one that a lot of people noticed and thought to be particularly creepy. It's been pointed out that the most of the problems are not even acknowledged, let alone corrected. But I can see you will probably ignore this "extreme" point of view.
 
If this is really the dude responsible for the eff up, then fire him. Personally, I believe it more likely that this eff up resulted from bad organization, which puts the blame higher up than this poor guy.

No matter what, find the backstabber who leaked his name to the press, fire him, and blacklist him so he never again works in silicon valley. Using the media to get even with a coworker is malicious, so it is far worse than any mistake that led to the 8.0.1 eff up.

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This is silly.

QA wasn't the issue with Apple Maps. The app did what it was supposed to do.

Apple Maps problem wasn't the app, it was the fact it had complete junk data because it was designed by people who fundamentally misunderstood how hard it was to commission bad maps.

It was entirely the fault of the person who commissioned an impossible project - Steve Jobs - and the person who signed off on the junk result being shipped to customers - Tim Cook.

Agree, except for blaming Jobs for commissioning the project. Jobs had a track record of achieving the impossible. He also had a track record of delaying releases until they met his own impossibly high standards.
 
How do we know theres not an internal coo? internal sabotage? maybe there is more to this. Or maybe its just a really good premise for a made up movie :D

An internal coo? You mean Apple keep pet birds at their HQ? Ewww, bird poop everywhere!

Or did you mean "coup"?
 
The few minutes MR included the name and corrected themselves vs. the name still being there and reaching exponentially more people in the ordinal source of the news at Bloomberg. Yes, there's some fault that MR has but by the same respect they addressed that part and even quicker than the quick action Apple took with the botched update. This doesn't mean it's all perfect, but it's also not completely doom and gloom as some takes on it are either. People love to be on the extremes when most things are often not even close and are somewhere in-between.

It should never have been posted at all, with or without his name, by any site. One of the most disturbing things the media does today is rush stories of dubious authenticity out there in the effort to be first, evoke emotion, or draw viewers and/or clicks by sensationalism. Just because Bloomberg has fallen to this classless and unprofessional tactic doesn't mean everyone else has to repeat it.

MR could have let this one pass by completely. Instead they chose to be part of the problem, which is sad. I won't be donating to a forum that stoops to this level.
 
Please point out these supposed "double standards" if you can, and especially the ones "going around everywhere." I am damned curious about those, especially in light of the comments made by myself and others about the general lack of editorial standards at MR.
I'm referring to the ideas of, for example, MR being horrific and facing doom and gloom because of what they did and even quickly corrected vs. the person who might be potentially responsible for various (potentially repeated) rather bad issues being given the benefit of the doubt and that even if that responsibility does lie on that person that the issues are of such nature that they really shouldn't be expected by people and people shouldn't be complaining about them anyway. Or that whatever Apple did to deal with their various issues isn't a big deal while what MR did is completely inexcusable and is essentially in the category of something that summons the end of times. Plenty of exaggerations all over the place (certainly not by everyone), when reality is somewhere in the middle when it comes to pretty much all of those items.

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A lack of editorial control and judgement leads inevitably to errors. This is hardly a one-time occurrence but simply one that a lot of people noticed and thought to be particularly creepy. It's been pointed out that the most of the problems are not even acknowledged, let alone corrected. But I can see you will probably ignore this "extreme" point of view.
For a web "blog" site that has "Rumors" in its very name, it's quite far from being anything horrific.

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I'm not sure what you are saying this site is actually "about," but no matter, there's no excuse for a lack of editorial judgment, misquoting, or plagiarism. To apply your analogy: whether the food is fast or slow, it should not make you sick to your stomach.
It's interesting that for years on end someone would keep coming back to a place that has apparently often not lived up to their expectations and even at least in a figurative sense has made them sick to their stomach.

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It should never have been posted at all, with or without his name, by any site. One of the most disturbing things the media does today is rush stories of dubious authenticity out there in the effort to be first, evoke emotion, or draw viewers and/or clicks by sensationalism. Just because Bloomberg has fallen to this classless and unprofessional tactic doesn't mean everyone else has to repeat it.

MR could have let this one pass by completely. Instead they chose to be part of the problem, which is sad. I won't be donating to a forum that stoops to this level.
On the other hand, with Apple news being spread across mainstream channels, it seems that an Apple rumors site wouldn't be doing its job if it wasn't reporting about that news spreading around.
 
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[/COLOR]On the other hand, with Apple news being spread across mainstream channels, it seems that an Apple rumors site wouldn't be doing its job by not reporting about that news spreading around.

There's a difference between reporting rumours about the new iPhone's display size, when Broadwell will be ready, if the MBA will have a Retina screen, etc and participating in the potential destruction of a guy's career by parroting anonymous sources. We're talking about a person here, possibly with a wife and kids who will hear about their husband and father in the media now. Ruining his reputation in the industry is not a small deal.

MR is not obligated to re-post absolutely everything that has the word Apple in it. It's too bad they won't filter their content through a layer of human decency and professionalism.
 
There's a difference between reporting rumours about the new iPhone's display size, when Broadwell will be ready, if the MBA will have a Retina screen, etc and participating in the potential destruction of a guy's career by parroting anonymous sources. We're talking about a person here, possibly with a wife and kids who will hear about their husband and father in the media now. Ruining his reputation in the industry is not a small deal.

MR is not obligated to re-post absolutely everything that has the word Apple in it. It's too bad they won't filter their content through a layer of human decency and professionalism.
I understand what you are saying, but at the same time I feel that what's expected from this site by a lot of people is fast up to date information about things that affect Apple. If there's a news report spreading through reputable and very far reaching news source then I would feel it amiss if this site didn't report on that report as it does affect Apple and it's being spread around in a much more mainstream manner--I would want to know about it, and not find out from someone who came across it on CNN or find later on on the evening news.

Again, I agree about the part about not naming names and all of that, and there was an issue there that MR at least got to, and unfortunately that issue still exists in the original report, but that doesn't change the concept that I would like to be informed of what Apple news are being spread around, and especially so if they are already mainstream news (as bad as they might be).
 
I'm referring to the ideas of, for example, MR being horrific and facing doom and gloom because of what they did and even quickly corrected vs. the person who might be potentially responsible for various (potentially repeated) rather bad issues being given the benefit of the doubt and that even if that responsibility does lie on that person that the issues are of such nature that they really shouldn't be expected by people and people shouldn't be complaining about them anyway. Or that whatever Apple did to deal with their various issues isn't a big deal while what MR did is completely inexcusable and is essentially in the category of something that summons the end of times. Plenty of exaggerations all over the place (certainly not by everyone), when reality is somewhere in the middle when it comes to pretty much all of those items.

Doom and gloom? End of times? And you are accusing others of exaggeration?

The reality is, you are playing the reductio ad absurdum game with me, coming up with wild interpretations of what I am saying as a strategy for avoiding my actual point. Sorry for not playing along, but I know that one cold already.

For a web "blog" site that has "Rumors" in its very name, it's quite far from being anything horrific.

It has both rumors and news in its very name, but that is hardly the point. This site is written for public consumption, which by itself demands adhering to at least a minimal set of professional editorial standards. They are, in fact, absent. This leads to all sorts of issues.

It's interesting that for years on end someone would keep coming back to a place that has apparently often not lived up to their expectations and even at least in a figurative sense has made them sick to their stomach.

Ah, cynicism. I was kind of expecting that. In fact I was out of here for several years. These days I confess to spending some of my time here pointing out MR's daily head-slappers, in hopes I suppose that eventually someone will care enough to address the editorial black hole and realize the site's potential. As several other long-timers here have commented already, it might be time to give up on it again. Meanwhile I suppose I will just have to disagree with apologists who believe that careless writing is perfectly acceptable.
 
I understand what you are saying, but at the same time I feel that what's expected from this site by a lot of people is fast up to date information about things that affect Apple. If there's a news report spreading through reputable and very far reaching news source then I would feel it amiss if this site didn't report on that report as it does affect Apple and it's being spread around in a much more mainstream manner--I would want to know about it, and not find out from someone who came across it on CNN or find later on on the evening news.

Again, I agree about the part about not naming names and all of that, and there was an issue there that MR at least got to, and unfortunately that issue still exists in the original report, but that doesn't change the concept that I would like to be informed of what Apple news are being spread around, and especially so if they are already mainstream news (as bad as they might be).

I don't agree that they should re-post a ridiculous and borderline criminal story simply because it's on a mainstream news site. There is plenty of relevant and interesting material about Apple to run a site like this without flushing ethical standards down the toilet.
 
I don't agree that they should re-post a ridiculous and borderline criminal story simply because it's on a mainstream news site. There is plenty of relevant and interesting material about Apple to run a site like this without flushing ethical standards down the toilet.
But what about to notify its users that this kind of Apple related news is spreading through large mainstream channels? Wouldn't the people who come to this site for Apple news want to know that this kind of news is being spread around?
 
But what about to notify its users that this kind of Apple related news is spreading through large mainstream channels? Wouldn't the people who come to this site for Apple news want to know that this kind of news is being spread around?

I don't see how it's a good thing to further another reporter's unethical decisions. Repeating anything and everything just because it's out there is not an acceptable policy.

Besides, MR obviously didn't want to just innocently notify people that this story was circulating. The authoritative title and tone of the article reports it as a fact. They could have chosen to report that a pretty low class and dubious article by Bloomberg citing anonymous sources is laying the blame for this problem on one guy. They didn't, because they don't care about that. They want clicks and ad revenue.
 
Agree, except for blaming Jobs for commissioning the project. Jobs had a track record of achieving the impossible. He also had a track record of delaying releases until they met his own impossibly high standards.

You mean Jobs had a really big reality distortion field. :)
 
No need to name the person, even if he is responsible.

If he is responsible then definitely Name and Shame. Otherwise it fosters an attitude of if I screw up big time I will still get away with it, keep my job and
do it again.

Check out all the problems with the UK NHS health service. Even when the incompetents get named they still hang on in there. Off topic a bit I agree
but it's all about taking responsibility for your mistakes.
 
Seriously. I'm sure Macrumors won't be the only one, but why ruin this guys reputation/career in such a public way? He's human! Humans make mistakes! There's no way to even know if this actually one mans fault. How could he possibly test millions of phones being used in different ways?

It probably was not his fault. And I think he has a nice lawsuit against MR. I hope you guys are insured against this. If not, you had a nice site which I enjoyed immensely, and I wish you well in your future endeavors.
 
If he is responsible then definitely Name and Shame. Otherwise it fosters an attitude of if I screw up big time I will still get away with it, keep my job and
do it again.

Check out all the problems with the UK NHS health service. Even when the incompetents get named they still hang on in there. Off topic a bit I agree
but it's all about taking responsibility for your mistakes.

I never suggested the persons responsible shouldn't be held responsible.
 
If he is responsible then definitely Name and Shame. Otherwise it fosters an attitude of if I screw up big time I will still get away with it, keep my job and
do it again.

Check out all the problems with the UK NHS health service. Even when the incompetents get named they still hang on in there. Off topic a bit I agree
but it's all about taking responsibility for your mistakes.

Apple is a for-profit company, not a government agency, so your analogy is kind of odiferous. Apple is perfectly capable of determining for themselves who to hire and fire, and why.
 
It probably was not his fault. And I think he has a nice lawsuit against MR. I hope you guys are insured against this. If not, you had a nice site which I enjoyed immensely, and I wish you well in your future endeavors.
Sounds like you mean Bloomberg.
 
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