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I could imagine using the iphone as a controller for the ipad.
The game visuals on the ipad standing in front of you and the iphone landscape in your hands displaying a cool controller app.
Certainly possible for "slow pace" games.
Dont know however if this is praktical for action games due to network latency

i would love too see a joypad of some sort for this, i know kind of negates the point of a touchscreen... but Apple are releasing a connectable keyboard for this thing...
 
I'm so hoping for the front-facing camera too for a Skype or future iChat (if they can redo iWork, why not iChat too?).

An exciting year!

Front facing camera addition would greatly increase the chances I'd buy the first version of the iPad. Otherwise, I may wait for the camera and multi-user (or any method for easily sharing one).
 
As I lie in bed listening to music and surfing the net on my iPod Touch I am wearing a pair of drugstore reading glasses so that I can properly see the screen. I love my Touch but I can hardly wait to relegate it to emergency use and use the iPad so that I can actually read without ruining my eyes. I'm thinking that 4:3 or not, films and TV shows are going to look one whole lot better on the iPad than it does on my squinty Touch.

What did people expect this thing to do - beam you up to a waiting starship??!!! With all of the out of the box tasks and the ones that will inevitably come during the next year or so - I'm going to be one happy camper.

If you're happy with your iPod Touch, and simply desire a larger screen, then you're obviously going to be happy with the iPad. Some people had expectations that the iPad would be more feature-rich and as such capable of essentially replacing a computer. I think we'll get there in the later iPad iterations. I would have also liked if the iPad included a front-facing camera and multitasking, but even without those features it will be a great device. Like you, I look forward to all the applications that are going to come for this new device.
 
I'm not sure if this has been addressed by anyone before but... wouldn't a front facing camera be awkward unless it's docked? I don't know if I'd want to video chat with someone while holding it steady or vice versa.
 
Not sure anyone said this but, if they release the new MBP on the 23rd then start taking pre-orders for the iPad, does that mean some of us are going to be dead broke because we want both?

Or will Apple charge the card when iPad ships in March or April?
 
How is Apple going to start taking pre-orders of the iPad and release spec bumps of MBP's at the same time ?

One or the other has to figure prominently on Apple's page somewhere.

But both at the same time?
 
once again:

please note, that the ipad is built for total computer beginners. target market is kids, pensionists and people who don't understand a "normal" pc or mac. it is NOT built for people who are experts or who want to experience modern computer technology by running several programs at once and surf, chat and email at the same time. the ipad is also a platform to generate money for apple. you want to read a book? you pay. you want to watch a film? you pay. you want to install software? you pay. you pay, pay, pay.

but it's got a cool safari browser and the machine is very thin. so decide: is that what you want?
 
please note, that the ipad is built for total computer beginners. target market is kids, pensionists and people who don't understand a "normal" pc or mac. it is NOT built for people who are experts or who want to experience modern computer technology by running several programs at once and surf, chat and email at the same time. the ipad is also a platform to generate money for apple. you want to read a book? you pay. you want to watch a film? you pay. you want to install software? you pay. you pay, pay, pay.

but it's got a cool safari browser and the machine is very thin. so decide: is that what you want?
You are dead wrong!
 
What did people expect this thing to do - beam you up to a waiting starship??!!! With all of the out of the box tasks and the ones that will inevitably come during the next year or so - I'm going to be one happy camper.

If you read the comments of some of the iPad detractors, the iPad has already achieved a close encounter of the fourth kind, an alien abduction where they are taken up into the mothership, lobotomized, and then returned to walk the earth as brainless zombies. I've got my RDF set on 110% to make sure that doesn't happen to me! ;)

DD
 
please note, that the ipad is built for total computer beginners. target market is kids, pensionists and people who don't understand a "normal" pc or mac. it is NOT built for people who are experts or who want to experience modern computer technology by running several programs at once and surf, chat and email at the same time. the ipad is also a platform to generate money for apple. you want to read a book? you pay. you want to watch a film? you pay. you want to install software? you pay. you pay, pay, pay.

but it's got a cool safari browser and the machine is very thin. so decide: is that what you want?

So by that I'm guessing all these old folks will take to the new multi-touch Numbers app pretty fast eh? :)
 
the ipad is also a platform to generate money for apple. you want to read a book? you pay. you want to watch a film? you pay. you want to install software? you pay. you pay, pay, pay.
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you exaggerate. you exaggerate. you exaggerate ;)

If i want to watch a commercial movie and not pirate it, download a book i don't already own in electronic format, or install non-free apps, I pay no matter what the platform.

What's the big difference? I don't see how the iPad will suddenly cause this huge hemorrhage of cash for media that I wasn't already paying (at my option) for my iPod, iPhone, or Mac. Are you saying because the iPad makes it convenient or desirable to buy more content from the iTunes store, it's bad?

Also, i know a lot of computer "experts" who like the idea of the iPad. Because they have powerful high end desktops and laptops with complex OS (and the maintenance and attention that goes along with them), they can see the value in a simple "appliance" type device to carry around that looks like a lot of fun even if it doesn't do 50 things at once...
 
It just depends upon whether your local dialect pronounces the 'h' or not after the article. There are plenty of style guides that validate 'an historic'.
What sets my teeth more on edge are our brothers across the pond who refer to corporations as plural. i.e. "Apple are" instead of "Apple is".
Do they say "The United Kingdom 'are'"? Don't think so.

Yes i hate that too, drives me crazy when they refer to corporations as plural.

Not a big fan of the Internet Grammar Police but especially not keen to the Grammar Police when they make a false arrest.

While "a historic" is preferred and technically the correct usage in the U.S., "an historic" is acceptable, especially in England. It is the exception to the rule that "an" is used only when the h is silent.

Correct, using "an" instead of "a" is correct when the "h" is silent, so using "an" is correct for words like "hour", "herb", etc. However "historic" is pronounced with an "h". The "h" is not silent. If you are pronouncing it as "istoric" then you're simply saying the word wrong.

Sorry, both forms are correct. And you don't ride the bus for a hour either.

See my comment above. Silent h's use "an", hence the usage with "hour", "herb", etc. But not with "historic".
 
You are just being silly...

please note, that the ipad is built for total computer beginners. target market is kids, pensionists and people who don't understand a "normal" pc or mac. it is NOT built for people who are experts or who want to experience modern computer technology by running several programs at once and surf, chat and email at the same time. the ipad is also a platform to generate money for apple. you want to read a book? you pay. you want to watch a film? you pay. you want to install software? you pay. you pay, pay, pay.

but it's got a cool safari browser and the machine is very thin. so decide: is that what you want?

...and nonsensical to boot. Built for folks who don't understand a "normal" pc? I can't even fathom what you mean by that. Thankfully you didn't go on about the lack of flash, removable batteries, or the lack of a quantum teleporter.

I can't figure out if some of you are just dense, or paid to obsfurcate endlessly to buy Mr Balmer some time. Multitasking? It actually sorta does do that, even my iPod does that. I can listen to music, surf, or email. Can I surf the web, make my grocery list, and email (at the same time)? Well no, and I would be willing to bet, you can't either. Even on my desktop or my laptop I am somewhat limited to the amount of tasks I can do/manage. While I can have background applications running (churning away on postscript files, or creating previews in Aperture), it doesn't bother me that this device doesn't have the horsepower to do that efficiently. The pad was not intended to replace a laptop/desktop, rather it occupies the space between as a new sort of animal. You did watch the keynote didn't you? If you didn't I can make a screenshot to 'splain it so it is clear.

Not sure which category you yourself occupy, but I fit none of the neat little boxes you lay out. I am a professional with some fairly high level technical skills, and I can easily imagine dozens of scenarios where this device would be killer. It costs about half of what I expected, and the data plan is less than half the cost as well. Considering the many areas of potential cost SAVINGS, I am surprised you go on so much about paying, paying, paying.
Furthermore, many apps exist that are FREE or nearly so.

I am surprised someone with your high level of expertise can't figure out how to add your own music to your library, or for that matter how to add your DVDs as well. Don't want to pay, pay, pay? Go to the library and pick up a book on CD... or better yet, just pick up the book. Perhaps you'll "get" that paradigm a bit better...

No one said you have to like it, or even buy it... but why do you feel so compelled to tell everyone all about that. Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean you are right.
cheers...
 
How is Apple going to start taking pre-orders of the iPad and release spec bumps of MBP's at the same time ?

One or the other has to figure prominently on Apple's page somewhere.

But both at the same time?

I think if I remember correctly.. when iTunes 9.0 was released they had the front page scrolling with the new iPod Touch, iTunes 9.0, and new iMacs..

So ya I can see both
 
I've become convinced that complaints about "no multitasking" really mean 'I can't stream Pandora', and "no flash" really means 'I can't watch streaming porn'
 
So bad news...I really wanted GPS without having to go for 3G.

The term "Assisted GPS" is misleading. Usually assisted GPS means using the cellular network to assist with GPS services. Of course this would mean just the 3G version would allow assisted GPS.

However, the question is, does the wifi model have unassisted GPS which would allow GPS operations with the GPS module only without assistance from a cellular network.

Apple's website is unclear as to whether GPS hardware is in both wifi and 3G models.
 
The term "Assisted GPS" is misleading. Usually assisted GPS means using the cellular network to assist with GPS services. Of course this would mean just the 3G version would allow assisted GPS.

However, the question is, does the wifi model have unassisted GPS which would allow GPS operations with the GPS module only without assistance from a cellular network.

Apple's website is unclear as to whether GPS hardware is in both wifi and 3G models.

Seems pretty clear to me - according to the technical specs, only the 3G model has ANY GPS support. (Wi-fi geolocation is not "GPS," of course).
 
Seems pretty clear to me - according to the technical specs, only the 3G model has ANY GPS support. (Wi-fi geolocation is not "GPS," of course).

Why do they use the term "Assisted GPS" then?

GPS devices are never referred to as "assisted". The only time I have heard this term is when referencing the use of a cellular network to assist the GPS hardware for quick triangulation.

In the keynote both models were described as identical except one had Wifi and one had 3G. GPS hardware is probably in both models and only the 3G model includes "Assisted GPS".

I don't think the website is clear at all.
 
Why do they use the term "Assisted GPS" then?

GPS devices are never referred to as "assisted". The only time I have heard this term is when referencing the use of a cellular network to assist the GPS hardware for quick triangulation.

In the keynote both models were described as identical except one had Wifi and one had 3G. GPS hardware is probably in both models and only the 3G model includes "Assisted GPS".

I don't think the website is clear at all.

Huh? It's quite clear. The 3G model is the only model that lists GPS as a feature. It lists it as "assisted GPS" because it uses the 3G radio as part of the GPS. Clear as day. They use the term "assisted GPS" because it is "assisted GPS." You seem to think that if you subtract 3G from "assisted GPS" you are left with "GPS" and that the "assisted" part is a bonus. That's not at all how it works. Most implementations of assisted GPS rely on the 3G to perform critical functions, such as providing a precise time code, or precise location for nearest GPS satellites. GPS without the 3G would work poorly, or sometimes not at all.

GPS is absolutely not in the wi-fi model. The specs do not list GPS as a feature at all for the wifi-only model. In order to believe me do you need to see it say "no GPS" as a feature of the wi-fi model? Because that's not what companies do.

Further - google it. Every discussion of it says that only the 3G version has any form of GPS.
 
Huh? It's quite clear. The 3G model is the only model that lists GPS as a feature. It lists it as "assisted GPS" because it uses the 3G radio as part of the GPS. Clear as day. They use the term "assisted GPS" because it is "assisted GPS." You seem to think that if you subtract 3G from "assisted GPS" you are left with "GPS" and that the "assisted" part is a bonus. That's not at all how it works. Most implementations of assisted GPS rely on the 3G to perform critical functions, such as providing a precise time code, or precise location for nearest GPS satellites. GPS without the 3G would work poorly, or sometimes not at all.

GPS is absolutely not in the wi-fi model. The specs do not list GPS as a feature at all for the wifi-only model. In order to believe me do you need to see it say "no GPS" as a feature of the wi-fi model? Because that's not what companies do.

Further - google it. Every discussion of it says that only the 3G version has any form of GPS.

OK, peoples, a reminder:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
(left hand side, pretty close to the top)

Location

* Wi-Fi
* Digital compass
* Assisted GPS (Wi-Fi + 3G model)
* Cellular (Wi-Fi + 3G model)

Note the specification "Wi-Fi + 3G model" next to Assisted GPS. That specification is not there after the Wi-Fi bit. The implication is that Wi-Fi can do limited location identification (which I agree is horribly unclear), but it CANNOT to assisted GPS. So ... NO ASSISTED GPS WITHOUT 3G.

Hope this helps, but sadly I doubt it.

DD
 
Huh? It's quite clear. The 3G model is the only model that lists GPS as a feature. It lists it as "assisted GPS" because it uses the 3G radio as part of the GPS. Clear as day. They use the term "assisted GPS" because it is "assisted GPS." You seem to think that if you subtract 3G from "assisted GPS" you are left with "GPS" and that the "assisted" part is a bonus. That's not at all how it works. Most implementations of assisted GPS rely on the 3G to perform critical functions, such as providing a precise time code, or precise location for nearest GPS satellites. GPS without the 3G would work poorly, or sometimes not at all.

GPS is absolutely not in the wi-fi model. The specs do not list GPS as a feature at all for the wifi-only model. In order to believe me do you need to see it say "no GPS" as a feature of the wi-fi model? Because that's not what companies do.

Further - google it. Every discussion of it says that only the 3G version has any form of GPS.

Sorry, I still have to disagree. The website is as clear as mud.

Based on your assumption, I would speculate that neither version included a true GPS chipset and that the 3G model is using cellular tower triangulation or A-GPS for location services.

Also why include a digital compass in both models and GPS only in the 3G model. What good is knowing which direction you are looking if the device hasn't a clue where it is? None of it makes any sense.

Without GPS, a major segment of the iphone software will not run on the ipad.

The website could have been much clearer.

I have googled ipad and GPS, unfortunately all you get is speculation and confusion on the issue, depending on which opinion you read.
 
I've become convinced that complaints about "no multitasking" really mean 'I can't stream Pandora', and "no flash" really means 'I can't watch streaming porn'

Ha ha, you just got owned...

Now go take a humble.
 
Yes i hate that too, drives me crazy when they refer to corporations as plural.



Correct, using "an" instead of "a" is correct when the "h" is silent, so using "an" is correct for words like "hour", "herb", etc. However "historic" is pronounced with an "h". The "h" is not silent. If you are pronouncing it as "istoric" then you're simply saying the word wrong.



See my comment above. Silent h's use "an", hence the usage with "hour", "herb", etc. But not with "historic".

Except, certainly in the UK, when 'an' is used with 'historic' the 'h' is often silent (especially in received pronunciation BBC-type accents).

Conversely, we pronounce the 'h' in 'herb'. If you're saying 'erb, you're using the wrong word ;)
 
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