Is it? Really? You think Apple will ever develop ePocrates or Unbound Medicine? Those developers WOULD [develop for the iPhone], if Apple would let them. The reason the Palm was so successful was because of the huge catalog of titles available. And for the record, despite all the crap I have on my Treo, the phone works just fine. That's the way it's supposed to be designed, and that's what Apple should ensure when designing the OS for iPhone (which is no more OS X than Windows Mobile is WinXP).
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Is it? Really? You think Apple will ever develop ePocrates or Unbound Medicine? Those developers WOULD [develop for the iPhone], if Apple would let them. The reason the Palm was so successful was because of the huge catalog of titles available. And for the record, despite all the crap I have on my Treo, the phone works just fine. That's the way it's supposed to be designed, and that's what Apple should ensure when designing the OS for iPhone (which is no more OS X than Windows Mobile is WinXP).
Exactly the reason why I don't own a cell phone right now.
If you think the future of cell phones is proprietary software, then maybe you should have another look at 500. There is no potential for expansion and development there. The company that realizes this and releases a truly open device will be releasing the iPod of phones. Pity it won't be Apple.
Apple also wants to make sure that an application isn't added to the phone that someway, somehow could actually bring down Cingulars network. Apple will be using more of Cingulars network then any other phone because it will be an enjoyable experience to actually surf the net on the phone once they get their speeds up.
iPhone is dead on arrival
Gizmodo and Engadget are quickly coming to the concluion that the iPhone will be dead on arrival unless Apple makes a lot of changes to the phone...such as:
Removeable Battery and 3rd party applications just to name two of their complaints.
Neither of these two major blogs has really anything good to say about the iPhone.
Gizmodo is calling it the "chickphone" (just one of it's tammer nick names) and Engadget questions whether it's even running OS X at all.
Gizmodo and Engadget are quickly coming to the concluion that the iPhone will be dead on arrival unless Apple makes a lot of changes to the phone...such as:
Removeable Battery and 3rd party applications just to name two of their complaints.
Neither of these two major blogs has really anything good to say about the iPhone.
Gizmodo is calling it the "chickphone" (just one of it's tammer nick names) and Engadget questions whether it's even running OS X at all.
Maybe service providers should update their pricing plans to charge per email or per page or per packet. Cell providers should also charge less if the bandwidth of your conversation is smaller. Video stores should record the number of repeated viewings of a DVD, and charge per each. Beer companies should enforce a policy of one opening one gulp, or else you pay 45 cents and increasing exponentially.
Apple isn't blocking 3rd party apps because it'll start dropping calls, they're blocking them because they'll upset the user experience Apple is trying to create.
If Apple releases this slick phone, with a slick interface, and everyone loads junky apps it kills the impact Apple is trying to make.
Another part of it might be blocking things like Skype-- which would be great for consumers but might sour the relationship with Cingular. It's not easy to break into the cellphone market, which is why we don't see new companies jumping into this "billion unit" market every day. You need friends to get started, and Apple needs Cingular.
A third might be to help protect DRM'd content if they ever go to download over the air.
Maybe we'll see some sort of application environment open up-- user uploadable widgets, or a JVM or something.
Is this really a big deal? How many people really load 3rd party apps on their phones?
If Apple releases this slick phone, with a slick interface, and everyone loads junky apps it kills the impact Apple is trying to make.
Another part of it might be blocking things like Skype-- which would be great for consumers but might sour the relationship with Cingular. It's not easy to break into the cellphone market, which is why we don't see new companies jumping into this "billion unit" market every day. You need friends to get started, and Apple needs Cingular.
A third might be to help protect DRM'd content if they ever go to download over the air.
Maybe we'll see some sort of application environment open up-- user uploadable widgets, or a JVM or something.
Is this really a big deal? How many people really load 3rd party apps on their phones?
How exciting would macs be if they only ran the pre-installed software?
Sure mum and gran might never install anything else, but lots of people do. Surely the phone will be the same.
Apple is selling the iPhone as "running OSX", and using "a full Desktop OS" and avoiding "crippled software". Surely this is as crippled as you can get?!
14 questions about the iPhone:
http://bla.st/site/blog/40/
Sure mum and gran might never install anything else, but lots of people do. Surely the phone will be the same.
Apple is selling the iPhone as "running OSX", and using "a full Desktop OS" and avoiding "crippled software". Surely this is as crippled as you can get?!
14 questions about the iPhone:
http://bla.st/site/blog/40/
Although it's not quite the same, the MacBreak Weekly podcast brought up an interesting point, that even if it won't allow 3rd party apps, you could easily have small web-apps (possibly designed specifically for the iPhone) running through the browser portion of the phone.
His $600 price tag implied it would be more then a phone! He also said it was far superior to any smart-phone on the market. I don't know what rock you've been living under, but this was announced to be similar to a mini-computer.
No sexism from Gizmodo, eh?
Hm. I seem to recall the same kind of sexist namecalling directed at the Mac more than a few years ago.
On the other hand, the female market in America IS larger than the male market...
Mr Jobs:
If I want to destroy my Iphone and install program that make it not work. That is my choise. It is my Iphone.
This is one of the biggest problem with Apple. This is why so many disslikes Apple, OSX and the Apple software.
Why do not Apple licence fairplay? Apple will lose the antitrust cases in Europe.
Why do not Apple open up AppleTV for other movie formats than H264 and MPEG? How about DivX or Xvid? Apple TV will fail beacuse of this.
Why can not I do what I want in Itunes? I want my own main categories.
Apple locks up its users.
I Love Apple. I will buy the Iphone.
But, I can not deffend this big brother mentallity.
If I want to destroy my Iphone and install program that make it not work. That is my choise. It is my Iphone.
This is one of the biggest problem with Apple. This is why so many disslikes Apple, OSX and the Apple software.
Why do not Apple licence fairplay? Apple will lose the antitrust cases in Europe.
Why do not Apple open up AppleTV for other movie formats than H264 and MPEG? How about DivX or Xvid? Apple TV will fail beacuse of this.
Why can not I do what I want in Itunes? I want my own main categories.
Apple locks up its users.
I Love Apple. I will buy the Iphone.
But, I can not deffend this big brother mentallity.
Running a version of Skype would basically mean a circumvention of voice minutes?
And where did he say it would not be more than a phone?
Just because everyone and their mother can't make an application does make the iPhone platform any less viable. I don't want the junk people make.
I want apps that will not crash my phone and work well. If Apple can allow quality apps while maintaining a stable platform it is a win win.
I know the pains of putting an app on my phone that kills it. This avoids that problem.
Stop misquoting and running with this as if we know all the details. It could be that they haven't hammered all this out yet.
He most assuredly did not say "There will be no 3rd party software allowed"
WWDC is right there with the iPhone release. Coincidence? I think not.
Dissapointing 
Most phones, even semi-smart ones, can download and install 3rd party apps. I have done this on my Razr several times. All of the smart phones support 3rd party apps. I don't belive this is for QA because it would be very easy to setup a QA process by which developers could submit their apps for testing and they could then be made availible for download through Apple. Apple could even pass this cost along to the developer and even make a buck or two off of it and I doubt there would be many complaints.
I am a huge Apple fan and have been for 15+ years, but this is extreemly dissapointing. I hope they look at the market and change thier stance on this. Truley a deal killer for me because it changes the entire nature of the device and what I might utilize if for above phone calls and email.
Most phones, even semi-smart ones, can download and install 3rd party apps. I have done this on my Razr several times. All of the smart phones support 3rd party apps. I don't belive this is for QA because it would be very easy to setup a QA process by which developers could submit their apps for testing and they could then be made availible for download through Apple. Apple could even pass this cost along to the developer and even make a buck or two off of it and I doubt there would be many complaints.
I am a huge Apple fan and have been for 15+ years, but this is extreemly dissapointing. I hope they look at the market and change thier stance on this. Truley a deal killer for me because it changes the entire nature of the device and what I might utilize if for above phone calls and email.
That's just nonsense.
It's like saying we won't allow to install 3rd party apps on a computer because they might bring the internet down.
Cell phone providers do charge per email (by forcing it through SMS) and per packet (by charging assininely high rates per kb of data). Every other company you listed realized that charging sane prices for use of their product instead of nickeling and dimeing their customers to death makes a much more profitable business in the long run. Maybe cell phone companies should join the 21st century and sell a "big dumb pipe" like the wired world does now.
SMS used to be actually expensive because they crammed it into spare data blocks on limited voice channels. It was expensive to keep people from using it. Now, it goes over dedicated data channels on the cell network and then gets dumped into a TCP/IP pipe along with everything else once it hits copper at the tower.
There's no reason in the world that with EDGE and HSPDA and other high speed technologies that bring a full TCP/IP stack to the phone to make instant message rates orders of magnitude higher than any other IP data coming off the device. 15c for 160 bytes "because it's an instant message" while a web page costs 100x less than that (and is still two orders of magnitude more expensive than is really reasonable) *and goes over the same network* is stupid, but what's criminal is activily preventing innovation by prohibiting developers from pushing data over the data pipe instead of as SMS just because it's SMS and not general data.
Web apps
It has, apparently, the full WebKit running on it. This should support Javascript, etc. Essentially, this should be pretty close to running widgets. So even if they don't allow people to develop widgets for the iPhone, by creating a bookmark for the "site" (widget), the apps would run just fine, wouldn't they?
The only difference I can think of is that widgets have access to certain parts of the OS that normal websites wouldn't. But I don't think access to system resources would be useful on a phone. More likely we want to check sports scores, etc.
So by hook or crook, there will be third party apps, even at launch.
It has, apparently, the full WebKit running on it. This should support Javascript, etc. Essentially, this should be pretty close to running widgets. So even if they don't allow people to develop widgets for the iPhone, by creating a bookmark for the "site" (widget), the apps would run just fine, wouldn't they?
The only difference I can think of is that widgets have access to certain parts of the OS that normal websites wouldn't. But I don't think access to system resources would be useful on a phone. More likely we want to check sports scores, etc.
So by hook or crook, there will be third party apps, even at launch.
I'm not familiar with what was said more than a few years ago.
But now that you mention it, I have tended to think of things Mac as masculine and appealing to chicks. Maybe that notion was mostly subconscious or wishful.
I’d hate to be equated with Gizmodo with respect to sexism for this bit of absolution though.
If it helps my case I’m willing to retract whatever I just wrote and think, from her on, of all things Mac as completely gender neutral.
It's *the* deal.
If it's just a phone (even a sleek one) I won't pay hundreds of Euros for it. My old one does phone calls good enough, thank you.
My Question
When is Arn going to rename this forum iPhoneRumors?
Here it is nearly the end of the premier Mac conference held once a year and guess what! Not one bit of interesting Mac news, updates, or new designed macs.
Instead we have dozens of lousey rumors on a vaporware phone that won't be released for 6 months. Not only that, the phone's name is in jeopardy, people are whining about the features, service plans, and 3rd party apps. Great!
People get a grip. It is just a phone and it hasn't even been made for sale yet.
Sad Sad Sad
Where has my "Apple Computer" gone? Where are the mac mini towers? Where are the new macbookpro designs, where is 10.5, where is the 8 core mac pro, where where where????
Please wake me when this nightmare is over!!
When is Arn going to rename this forum iPhoneRumors?
Here it is nearly the end of the premier Mac conference held once a year and guess what! Not one bit of interesting Mac news, updates, or new designed macs.
Instead we have dozens of lousey rumors on a vaporware phone that won't be released for 6 months. Not only that, the phone's name is in jeopardy, people are whining about the features, service plans, and 3rd party apps. Great!
People get a grip. It is just a phone and it hasn't even been made for sale yet.
Sad
Sad Sad Where has my "Apple Computer" gone? Where are the mac mini towers? Where are the new macbookpro designs, where is 10.5, where is the 8 core mac pro, where where where????
Please wake me when this nightmare is over!!
I have to say I can't really blame him.
my mother has had three palm Treos in the past year and a half. All of them have had serious issues with applications developed specifically for them available directly through the phone provider- often causing the phone to crash and requiring it to be reactivated.
my mother has had three palm Treos in the past year and a half. All of them have had serious issues with applications developed specifically for them available directly through the phone provider- often causing the phone to crash and requiring it to be reactivated.
SJ presented the iDud.
Sucks ass.
Apple indeed did redefine the smartphone and dumbed it down. Tragic.
What smartphone gets crippled - i.e., stops phone calls due to an bad application. I've never had such an event occur despite owning two smartphones. And they rarely crash to force a restart either.
Oh and these apps will be payware, no freeware.
Apple just grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory.
The iPhone shows SJ control freak nature.
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Err I very much disagree that its better than any other smartphone.
Without the ability to install 3rd party apps, my smartphone automatically is better - because it can always suit my needs. I need another requirement I can find the application to suite my needs, unlike the iPhone. Oh, and it runs a webkit browser too.... just like the iPhone does... And it supports J2ME that opens a wider range of applications and games too.
Apple should remain it the iDud. Its not a smartphone, its a regular phone with a pretty interface. Non smartphone can sync too.. just like iPhone.
Sucks ass.
Apple indeed did redefine the smartphone and dumbed it down. Tragic.
What smartphone gets crippled - i.e., stops phone calls due to an bad application. I've never had such an event occur despite owning two smartphones. And they rarely crash to force a restart either.
Oh and these apps will be payware, no freeware.
Apple just grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory.
The iPhone shows SJ control freak nature.
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Err I very much disagree that its better than any other smartphone.
Without the ability to install 3rd party apps, my smartphone automatically is better - because it can always suit my needs. I need another requirement I can find the application to suite my needs, unlike the iPhone. Oh, and it runs a webkit browser too.... just like the iPhone does... And it supports J2ME that opens a wider range of applications and games too.
Apple should remain it the iDud. Its not a smartphone, its a regular phone with a pretty interface. Non smartphone can sync too.. just like iPhone.
By the looks of what is previewed, the iPhone seems to do everything better than anything else out there, including the iPod.
Personally I'd be glad if it doesn't support J2ME. I use that on my current SE phone and those applications suck resources, slowing the entire phone down, and generally like to crash. I welcome the iPhone simply because it looks to actually run a stable OS and looks very easy to use.
And those are the best reasons I've read yet on why Apple is going to control the app development, aside from maintaining the user experience.
Although, right now it's cheaper for me to just use my cellphone for all calls than to subscribe to a VOIP network on top of my cellphone bill.