Apple iPhone Apps Coming, but Limited

[justflie]

Now, for the widgets, I was surprised to "not see" the yellow/white pages, since those are phone related utilities. I think they are more phone related then the weather. I hope 3rd party widgets aren't lumped in the "3rd party app" category.

With absolutely nothing to back up my statement, we will certainly see more widgets/apps on the phone when it ships in june. especially i would expect a photo booth or some such application. people (esp new college switchers) have enough fun already with that, a macbook, and a few friends. It would be a huge hit if it were even more portable (as it would be in the iPhone).

 

[Apple Pie]

ePocrates on iPhone

Is it? Really? You think Apple will ever develop ePocrates or Unbound Medicine? Those developers WOULD [develop for the iPhone], if Apple would let them. The reason the Palm was so successful was because of the huge catalog of titles available. And for the record, despite all the crap I have on my Treo, the phone works just fine. That's the way it's supposed to be designed, and that's what Apple should ensure when designing the OS for iPhone (which is no more OS X than Windows Mobile is WinXP).

Hi. I've loved my iPhone since day one. However, I still carry my Palm OS based PDA to work for ePocrates. I've tried ePocrates Online and Unbound Medicine's UCentral clinical suite and have found both to be frustratingly slow via EDGE or even WiFi when compared to Palm. Because of this I've created a petition to encourage Apple to support 3rd party medical software that will run directly on the iPhone. Please follow the link below if you would like to sign it and leave a comment for Apple/ePocrates:
http://www.geeknuz.com/nuz/2007/07/add-your-name-1.html

 

[iMacBookUser]

Hi. I've loved my iPhone since day one. However, I still carry my Palm OS based PDA to work for ePocrates. I've tried ePocrates Online and Unbound Medicine's UCentral clinical suite and have found both to be frustratingly slow via EDGE or even WiFi when compared to Palm. Because of this I've created a petition to encourage Apple to support 3rd party medical software that will run directly on the iPhone. Please follow the link below if you would like to sign it and leave a comment for Apple/ePocrates:
http://www.geeknuz.com/nuz/2007/07/add-your-name-1.html

I think Apple Pie is on to something here... Although I don't use either of the applications mentioned above, this is a perfect example of where third-party applications actually further the demand for smart phones/PDAs... I really hope Apple sees this potential soon.

 

[iluvmyiphone]

not control freak... poor development

The proble is not that Steve is a control freak. The problem is that Apple has talked smack to Microsoft for years about compatibility and reliability. Microsoft has spent billions on developing a strong reliable platform that is resiliant to poorly coded 3rd party apps. Steve and Apple both know that their OS is not as evolved and thus the 'lockdown'. Any clown can create a device with an OS on it which only runs apps that have been tested by the OS manufacturer. That is simple. What is difficult is making that OS secure and reliable and STILL allow other software vendors to ride on top of the OS.

I also highly suspect that the OS is not really Mac OSX and it is simply a kernel rewrite. That would be why posix and OSX based apps will not run on it. Throw in that the Apple developers are not really that quality of a crew and there is no time for a strong API and the OS is a hodgepodge of technology and slapped together apps.

That being said. I love my iPhone. I look forward to the day it is hacked to run Mono and I will develop mono apps for it. Until then I like it for what it is... phone candy, crappy for you but fun to play with.

 

[Zadillo]

The proble is not that Steve is a control freak. The problem is that Apple has talked smack to Microsoft for years about compatibility and reliability. Microsoft has spent billions on developing a strong reliable platform that is resiliant to poorly coded 3rd party apps. Steve and Apple both know that their OS is not as evolved and thus the 'lockdown'. Any clown can create a device with an OS on it which only runs apps that have been tested by the OS manufacturer. That is simple. What is difficult is making that OS secure and reliable and STILL allow other software vendors to ride on top of the OS.

I also highly suspect that the OS is not really Mac OSX and it is simply a kernel rewrite. That would be why posix and OSX based apps will not run on it. Throw in that the Apple developers are not really that quality of a crew and there is no time for a strong API and the OS is a hodgepodge of technology and slapped together apps.

That being said. I love my iPhone. I look forward to the day it is hacked to run Mono and I will develop mono apps for it. Until then I like it for what it is... phone candy, crappy for you but fun to play with.

Microsoft has developed an OS that is strongly resilient to poorly coded third party software? Where can I buy it?!?!

I know you can't be talking about the POS Windows Mobile, or even Vista for that matter.

And OS X isn't as evolved? What in the world do you base that on? Going back to NextStep/OpenStep and on to the current OS X, I don't see where you could be getting that from.

-Zadillo

 

[sbarton]

The proble is not that Steve is a control freak. The problem is that Apple has talked smack to Microsoft for years about compatibility and reliability. Microsoft has spent billions on developing a strong reliable platform that is resiliant to poorly coded 3rd party apps. Steve and Apple both know that their OS is not as evolved and thus the 'lockdown'. Any clown can create a device with an OS on it which only runs apps that have been tested by the OS manufacturer. That is simple. What is difficult is making that OS secure and reliable and STILL allow other software vendors to ride on top of the OS.

I also highly suspect that the OS is not really Mac OSX and it is simply a kernel rewrite. That would be why posix and OSX based apps will not run on it. Throw in that the Apple developers are not really that quality of a crew and there is no time for a strong API and the OS is a hodgepodge of technology and slapped together apps.

That being said. I love my iPhone. I look forward to the day it is hacked to run Mono and I will develop mono apps for it. Until then I like it for what it is... phone candy, crappy for you but fun to play with.

Umm...as a programmer of both OS X and MS Windows for over 15 years, I have to tell you that your very incorrect. OS X is lightyears ahead of MS in the OS department. The structure of the API's, and Development tools are so far ahead of Windows there is simply no comparison.

But then I'm not sure why I'm even replying to someone that doesn't even understand that - OF COURSE the kernel is different on the iPhone as opposed to the one that runs on an x86 platform.

 

[DMann]

iPhone and OS X

The proble is not that Steve is a control freak. The problem is that Apple has talked smack to Microsoft for years about compatibility and reliability. Microsoft has spent billions on developing a strong reliable platform that is resiliant to poorly coded 3rd party apps. Steve and Apple both know that their OS is not as evolved and thus the 'lockdown'. Any clown can create a device with an OS on it which only runs apps that have been tested by the OS manufacturer. That is simple. What is difficult is making that OS secure and reliable and STILL allow other software vendors to ride on top of the OS.

I also highly suspect that the OS is not really Mac OSX and it is simply a kernel rewrite. That would be why posix and OSX based apps will not run on it. Throw in that the Apple developers are not really that quality of a crew and there is no time for a strong API and the OS is a hodgepodge of technology and slapped together apps.

That being said. I love my iPhone. I look forward to the day it is hacked to run Mono and I will develop mono apps for it. Until then I like it for what it is... phone candy, crappy for you but fun to play with.

OS X is highly evolved, and has been scaled down to run on an iPhone. Kernel rewrite or not, it is capable of launching and running apps quickly, and multi-tasking, without the reliance of a 3Ghz processor, which is pretty impressive by any standard. Give it at least 6 months before they open it up for 3rd party apps. OS based apps will run on the iPhone, but will need to be scaled down to run at high speeds. Running a bloated MS Word, as it is now, would slow things down quite a bit. I've owned a Pocket PC for eight months - Primitive by comparison on all levels, and unstable, with third party apps and without. A phone is too vital a resource to make vulnerable to freezes caused by crappy third party apps. Who can blame Apple for a lock-down for only the first two months since the iPhone's introduction?