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There better be something great on the computer front this year. I need to upgrade my business/personal computers and want to get a new mac. Dual boot when I need to only. I suppose it's too early to say, but this iphone news is driving me nuts. I miss reading about any rumors on the other products lately.
 
I'll bet any new Mac will require Leopard. So they are holding the Macs until Leopard. Leopard will be released on June 11 at the conference.

I'm'a have to disagree. I think Apple would want to release new computers a month or two before a new OS... so that people will buy the OS seperately and, hence, Apple will make more money.

Or maybe I'm just wearing smog-tinted glasses.

-Clive
 
I'm still waiting for something to replace the G4 towers. Back in 2001 Apple sold powerful upgradeable computers for $1,500. Why can't they do this today? If they don't sell one by end of June I'm putting Mac OS X on generic PC hardware.

I agree that this is a GAPING hole in the product lineup, but as you said, it's been there ever since the G5 and growing steadily. Maybe this has been Apple's intent and now the time is right the introduce the long-awaited "Mac Prosumer" (or as I like to call it, "Mac Plus" ;)).

Oh and by the way, I've "heard from a friend" that installing Mac OS X on PC hardware is a lot more work that it is worth and that drivers are near impossible to find. You have to be very meticulous about what hardware you buy, especially concerning WiFi and Audio. No doubt the knowledge base has grown since "my friend" tried it, but it's still a hassle. Plus it violates the EULA for OS X. ;)

Builder Beware! :D

-Clive
 
I'll bet any new Mac will require Leopard. So they are holding the Macs until Leopard. Leopard will be released on June 11 at the conference.

It'll require whatever is out at the time most likely, and it will come with that software. If they come out before Leopard, they may actually ship with Leopard if it's been announced. They've done this in the past. Get a new computer and get the os before it ships. The extra time for it to actually ship is usually dependent on marketing, packaging, displays, printing discs, etc. All of which isn't relevant with the oem versions.
 
Then later today, the iPhone is released to the public for sale without warning to developers or consumers, and the collective shock of the public makes the Earth implode under the pressure.
 
I agree that this is a GAPING hole in the product lineup, but as you said, it's been there ever since the G5 and growing steadily. Maybe this has been Apple's intent and now the time is right the introduce the long-awaited "Mac Prosumer" (or as I like to call it, "Mac Plus" ;)).

Oh and by the way, I've "heard from a friend" that installing Mac OS X on PC hardware is a lot more work that it is worth and that drivers are near impossible to find. You have to be very meticulous about what hardware you buy, especially concerning WiFi and Audio. No doubt the knowledge base has grown since "my friend" tried it, but it's still a hassle. Plus it violates the EULA for OS X. ;)

Builder Beware! :D

-Clive

In 2001 the cheapest G4 was 1599. Currently I can buy a 4 core system for 2129.

In 2001 they did offer duals. The duals were around $2499 at the low end. Since the duals are in line with the quads now (since we only have duals and quads) I'd say prices have actually dropped.

Look at laptops. You can get a macbook for 1100. What did a laptop cost in 2001? iBook - $1299.

And in 2000? iBook - $1499.

Today a iMac is... $999

In 2001? iMac - $1199.

Let's figure in 6 years of inflation and prices for computers are remarkably lower for infinitely more power. Let's also not forget that all those G4s back in the day were also ridiculously slower than their cheaper priced intel machines. Making the new systems and prices even that much more impressive.

I'm not sure there's currently that much of a gap. A tricked out iMac costs about the same or more than a low end mac pro. Essentially a headless iMac would fit in pretty good. The mini of course is not a headless imac. I guess a $999 MacProJr. or something. Smaller, 2 internal drives, 1 cd rom spot, core2duo (just one), and 4 gig of RAM max.
 
Then later today, the iPhone is released to the public for sale without warning to developers or consumers, and the collective shock of the public makes the Earth implode under the pressure.

Isn't that how Nukes work? A tiny "implosion" which in turn causes a massive explosion? So are you saying that an early iPhone release will case the Earth to "go nova?" Billions and billions of kilotons?

That's my physicist's point of view... Everybody hoping for an early release, be careful what you wish for! ;) :p

-Clive
 
That SteveNote Is Starting To Look Really Crowded

With the iPhone premiering June 11, That SteveNote is gonna be one hell of a jam packed set of new products in one two hour super session. :eek:

Maybe this portends we'll get most of the new line introduced in May. maybe even Kentsfield iMacs or better still, a new Kentsfield consumer-tower line of just plain Macs. :eek:
 
I'd put good money on Apple keeping well away from consumer towers for the time being. Jobs has insisted, over and over again, that consumer machines should be all-in-ones - and while the Mac Mini was a surprise in that respect, that's aimed more at people who already have a bunch of PC stuff and can just throw out their PC tower in favour of a Mac Mini. What would a consumer tower be? A throwback to the G4 cube? A scaled-down Mac Pro? Doubt it.

I'm not going to say "never", but for the time being the headless iMac is probably not on Apple's roadmap, nor will it be for quite some time.
 
I'd put good money on Apple keeping well away from consumer towers for the time being. Jobs has insisted, over and over again, that consumer machines should be all-in-ones...

Ideally a "Mid-Range Tower" would be aimed at the "Prosumer" market, of which there are many. Before the huge switching campaign, there were three types of Mac markets: Education, Pro-market, and Prosumer-market. There were very few average consumers before the iMac. Since, say the G3 (maybe some G4s), Apple hasn't offered a decent prosumer-capable computer that wasn't a pro.

I need more than an iMac but I don't want/need a Pro. Enter "Mac Plus." Clive's day is made.

-Clive
 
With the iPhone premiering June 11, That SteveNote is gonna be one hell of a jam packed set of new products in one two hour super session. :eek:

Maybe this portends we'll get most of the new line introduced in May. maybe even Kentsfield iMacs or better still, a new Kentsfield consumer-tower line of just plain Macs. :eek:

It seems like there could also be a lot of complaints if nothing big is announce pre-WWDC or at WWDC:

If there is no iPod update then we will have been stuck with the same one (pretty much) for ages.

Although Final Cut and 8-core MPs could come at NAB, if they aren't announced by the Stevenote a lot of people will be upset.

The Mac mini is STILL Core duo

Leopard is taking ages

The iPhone will hopefully have some unannounced features

People with complain without UK movies on the iTS and possibly HD movies (apparently iTS video looks rubbish on appleTV)

iLife and iWork 07 aren't here yet

A lot of people hope that apple are doing more with touch, possibly Jeff Han-esque

And a lot more to boot...Steve will have to speak really quickly, miss a lot of new stuff out (like he did with the new router), or get a lot of people angry about unannounced things...
 
More than you think...

brilliant! apple is like the davinci code for nerds :rolleyes:

You may be onto something there - release date of 6/11, and one dials 6-1-1 from their Cingular mobile phone for customer service?

Hmmm..... :confused:


(I once baked a meatloaf in the shape of Stonehenge. When I took it out of the oven my hand was badly burned..........)
 
Ideally a "Mid-Range Tower" would be aimed at the "Prosumer" market, of which there are many. Before the huge switching campaign, there were three types of Mac markets: Education, Pro-market, and Prosumer-market. There were very few average consumers before the iMac. Since, say the G3 (maybe some G4s), Apple hasn't offered a decent prosumer-capable computer that wasn't a pro.

I need more than an iMac but I don't want/need a Pro. Enter "Mac Plus." Clive's day is made.

-Clive
Isn't the 24" iMac enough? Or the scaled-down Mac Pro? The prices are so close these days.
 
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