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Am I still interested in the thing? Sure. Interested in terms of the hardware and how it will handle the real world. (Cingular is simply a deal killer for me beyond any other "issues".) I USE my phone. HARD. It gets thrown on the seat, thrown in my tool bag, thrown in my jacket pocket which gets thrown on the floor in a corner. Sometimes sat on. It rolls off the dash on my car onto the floor. slides off the passanger seat under the seat. It sometimes gets dropped. It sometimes gets misted on out in the rain. Simply put I need something that is more then a show piece. I seriously question how durable this thing will be. So far I'm enjoying the WM device my company purchased for me. It doesn't have a touchscreen however I've found that a thick screen protector is all I need for it. Its a pretty durable device overall that has handled no case and just being thrown in my jacket pocket naked just fine. I will be interested in seeing how the iPhone handles real world use.

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I'm quit sure anyone paying $600 for an iPhone will treat it with kit gloves.

And mano , mano Multimedia.You need to take better care of your current one! ;)
 
Anyone else want to have this thing release ASAP? If for no other reason then people will, hopefully, shut up about it. I'm not trying to get all bitchy. Just that everyone and their mother, and their mother's sister keeps going on about the iPhone as if it’s been touched by the hand of God himself. We've all heard about the pros and cons about this device, and while nice its not the ground shaking device like the iPod was. The iPod caused a tremor in the force because the industry was sitting on their collective fat butts. The same can’t be said of the phone industry. The nanosecond, and even prior, to Apple announcing the iPhone the manufacturers started working on competing devices. Devices that I think will fit the bill very well for those who:

1. Aren’t interested in a limited capacity iPod phone.
2. Are looking for a phone that isn’t at or over half a grand.
3. Aren’t interested in changing carriers for a phone.
4. Looking for a manufacturer who, well has actual experience designing phones. (granted I’m betting Cingular put this phone through its paces before signing a long term agreement with Apple.)

I don’t know. I just wish the hype would die down to a more reasonable level.

Am I still interested in the thing? Sure. Interested in terms of the hardware and how it will handle the real world. (Cingular is simply a deal killer for me beyond any other "issues".) I USE my phone. HARD. It gets thrown on the seat, thrown in my tool bag, thrown in my jacket pocket which gets thrown on the floor in a corner. Sometimes sat on. It rolls off the dash on my car onto the floor. slides off the passanger seat under the seat. It sometimes gets dropped. It sometimes gets misted on out in the rain. Simply put I need something that is more then a show piece. I seriously question how durable this thing will be. So far I'm enjoying the WM device my company purchased for me. It doesn't have a touchscreen however I've found that a thick screen protector is all I need for it. Its a pretty durable device overall that has handled no case and just being thrown in my jacket pocket naked just fine. I will be interested in seeing how the iPhone handles real world use.



Grow up. This is behavior I would expect out of a child throwing a temper tantrum.


Get laid kid.
Recognition feels good...bitching about something that has not been released= get out and get some fresh air. Spending too much time inside staring at your screen.
And no one cares about your opinion.
Let it just be released and end the convo.
Whether you like it or not is of no concern to any of us.
 
are you meaning the phone will require you to have leopard for your mac to link/connect to the phone?
No, of course it won't. It has Bluetooth and will sync with anything with full profile support.
This is a developer's conference. He may take the opportunity to talk about new products but he is primarily addressing developers. That said, he could very well spend time talking about the iPhone.
WWDC's keynote is a far bigger stage than the rest of the conference and is nothing more than a cursory overview for the developers in attendance. All the real meat occurs at the other sessions. The keynote isn't really for the developers--it's a media event (THE media event of the mid-year for Apple).
If they don't sell one by end of June I'm putting Mac OS X on generic PC hardware.
"If they don't start selling the 5 series for under 40k I'm just going to steal one." There, fixed it for you. You don't get to redefine the rules because someone won't sell you what you want on your terms. Where the sense of entitlement comes from is completely beyond me. OS X belongs to Apple. They reserve the right to sell it however they wish. If you don't like it, shop elsewhere, but don't think you're entitled to take something that does not belong to you.
But unlike previous iMacs, the Intel iMac uses laptop-grade parts. Its predecessors used the same G3s, G4s, and G5s that its PowerMac sibling did, albeit at lower clock speeds, but it was still the same chip! Until the Intel iMacs, the power gap between iMac and PowerMac/Mac Pro was manageably small. Now it's pretty insane.
Stop spreading the "laptop-grade parts" performance split myth. It doesn't exist. Mac Pros outperform considerably because they come with Xeons. The iMacs perform on par with any other desktop system based around a Core 2 Duo CPU of the same clock speed and the same GPU. Either back up your assertions with sources or can the nonsense.
I buy things that will last me a long time. An iMac made of laptop-grade parts is just not going to cut it.
"Laptop" parts are going to last just as long as any other parts.
 
"If they don't start selling the 5 series for under 40k I'm just going to steal one." There, fixed it for you. You don't get to redefine the rules because someone won't sell you what you want on your terms. Where the sense of entitlement comes from is completely beyond me. OS X belongs to Apple. They reserve the right to sell it however they wish. If you don't like it, shop elsewhere, but don't think you're entitled to take something that does not belong to you.

If one buys a boxed OSX kit, then installs it on a PC - how does that equate to theft?

It's a violation of the license text from Apple (which may or may not actually be enforceable), but stealing?
 
Outside of support for products we've already bought, Apple doesn't owe any of us a god damn thing. They could pull the whole Mac line and just sell iPods and phones, and they'd be well within their rights to do so.

Having a tantrum (because Apple doesn't see any profit in mass-manufacturing a product that very specifically meets your precise needs) is absolutely pointless - the "headless iMac" has been done before; it was called the G4 Cube and it was a total and utter failure. Oh, and you're violating the license agreement laid out by Apple if you slap it onto some generic PC box.
 
If one buys a boxed OSX kit, then installs it on a PC - how does that equate to theft?

It's a violation of the license text from Apple (which may or may not actually be enforceable), but stealing?
If you're looking to rent a studio, but the landlord is looking to rent to artists only, and draws that up in the lease, is it wrong to lie to the landlord and claim to be an artist to get that awesome location and great price?

Of course it is. Taking something that you are not entitled to is stealing, even if you give them money for it. Just as surely as if I left $45,000 in your driveway and took your car without permission, making an agreement and then breaking it is a fraudulent breach perpetrated with the intent to steal. Note that 'theft' is not the same as stealing.

As for "may or may not be", there is no question at present. The license is valid and enforceable in its entirety. It has not been shown otherwise in any court. There is absolutely no support for the argument that EULAs are categorically unenforceable, and likewise no Apple challenges.
 
Yeah,

I'd really hate for everyone's attention to go to the stupid iPhone and away from new Macs, iPods and most importantly, Leopard & iWork '07 & iLife '07.
IF, Leopard is released at the same time as the iPhone, then wouldn't one's release somehow shadow the other one?
And for those saying that Leopard & the rest of the software is coming on April - I don't think so.
I really don't care about the iPhone. Just give me Leopard and the updated software.
 
Get laid kid.
Recognition feels good...bitching about something that has not been released= get out and get some fresh air. Spending too much time inside staring at your screen.
And no one cares about your opinion.
Let it just be released and end the convo.
Whether you like it or not is of no concern to any of us.

Dude, why do you say that no one cares about his opinion?
Anyone can say whatever they think, and I somehow agree with this "kid."
I'm tired of this iPhone talk.
 
Will iPhone iPod work in BlueTooth car???

Ok I am so dumb, it just hit me.... Will the iPod in the iPhone work wirelessly through the speakers in a car with bluetooth??? Has anybody heard anything about this? OMG that would be so cool. Let me know please people, I'm dying here!!! Thanks :)
 
...The iPod caused a tremor in the force because the industry was sitting on their collective fat butts. The same can’t be said of the phone industry.


Actually, interface-wise, I believe they have. On the whole, using these phones for web, email and music is a complete pain in the arse rendering them virtually useless...

For most people, the interface is the device, not the bits within it nor the specs. Apple realise this, and word is is that many phone companies are secretly terrified, to paraphrase someone I know who happens to work for a phone manufacturer.
 
The phone companies don't need to be terrified yet, because the phone is still a high-end unit. When it starts falling in price/rising in power to that consumer "sweet-spot" though...

When this thing is $300/£199, everybody's screwed.
 
Ok I am so dumb, it just hit me.... Will the iPod in the iPhone work wirelessly through the speakers in a car with bluetooth??? Has anybody heard anything about this? OMG that would be so cool. Let me know please people, I'm dying here!!! Thanks :)

You are so dumb. That is...
  1. one of those features that has been requested over and over and over again
  2. from people who do not realize that Bluetooth does not supply enough bandwidth for full quality stereo sound (so to work at all the audio will have to be degraded).
  3. And that it would be a battery drain.
 
from people who do not realize that Bluetooth does not supply enough bandwidth for full quality stereo sound (so to work at all the audio will have to be degraded).
Sure it does. Bluetooth 2.0 EDR provides up to 2mbps real-world bandwidth (advertised at 3.0, achieved up to 2.1). That's more than enough for uncompressed stereo audio (1.4mbps).

The trick is sustaining reasonable throughput at this level, which some claim works perfectly, but in my (limited) experience, there were a couple small "pops" like in the very old days when CD ripping wasn't so great. Admittedly, I don't know whether the car I was in had Bluetooth 2.0 and I don't know if my friend's PDA was the source of those popping noises.

Of course, whether the iPhone will pipe music through to a BT headset (which would enable car use) remains to be seen.
 
Thanks (sarcasm)

You are so dumb. That is...
  1. one of those features that has been requested over and over and over again
  2. from people who do not realize that Bluetooth does not supply enough bandwidth for full quality stereo sound (so to work at all the audio will have to be degraded).
  3. And that it would be a battery drain.

Why are there so many people in these forums like you that think it is just ok to be an a$$hole?
 
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