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Apple is getting pushy

JanetTheGreat said:
If you have an issue with the red circle - just update. Simple. Problem solved.
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For many of us, it is NOT that simple. Most professional 3rd party media creation hardware and software has not yet been updated or certified for Tahoe. This is especially true of recording DAW software and plugins. Apple is notorious for making unexpected changes that impact such software as well as audio interface hardware drivers. Even the recent security-related app restrictions to a “sandbox” has broken fundamental and important features (an example is ARA, for those in the know).

While you can blame the 3rd party software companies for not updating their software for the new OS, it is also unreasonable to expect them to do so every year and every time Apple makes such changes on a whim. Even Apple’s own software has been impacted by such changes. The workaround for Logic Pro is to run it using Rosetta, which not only negatively impacts the efficiency of processing within the app, but is also a solution that will not be available in the next OS release. Apple already announced that Rosetta will be retired for OS27.

Professional audio and video software and hardware can be very expensive. Creators rely on it to earn their income. They can’t take the risk that upgrading to a new OS version will render their equipment non-functional. Even worse, it can prevent accessing previous projects that utilize plugins that are no longer compatible. This is seriously a valid case of “if it ain’t broke…”

If you use your computer for anything more than browsing the web and sending email, making the decision to upgrade your OS is not simple, and it is reasonable for Apple to allow us the choice to not upgrade without nagging us to death while we are trying to be productive.
 
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Ctrlos said:
Given Tiger is probably the best release of OSX there ever was I question that statement.
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lol. It had severe performance issues and finder freezing was very common and wouldn’t even let me do basic file management. IIRC apple introduced spotlight search in Tiger, which was a hot mess. One of those release which really impacted the workflows. And the dreaded blue screen of death which was very common windows was regular on tiger too. Anyways software updates were messed up, it didn’t even know what version of OS or patches installed. I can go on and on ..
 
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dmr727 said:
I can see your point if the badge is for a security update for the existing OS already installed, but Apple is pushing an upgrade here. As long as Apple is releasing security updates for Sequoia, I don't need to upgrade my OS to be 'safe'.
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Unfortunately, according to Apple, to some extent you do. A year or two ago they announced that only the current OS would be guaranteed to receive all the security upgrades, while older maintained OS's might only receive critical upgrades.

I don't know, in detail, the extent to which Apple has made good on this threat to omit some security upgrades from older maintained OS's. It's possible that while they reserved the right to do this, they didn't have any active plans to omit security upgrades from older OS's, and just put this out there mainly to get people to move to the newest system (and as a CYA if something happened if they didn't).

I suspect that, given we are protected from all critical security threats with the older OS's, we're safe using them if we practice good security hygiene (not opening files from unknown sources, etc.), which we should be doing anyways
 
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bilibug said:
For many of us, it is NOT that simple. Most professional 3rd party media creation hardware and software has not yet been updated or certified for Tahoe. This is especially true of recording DAW software and plugins. Apple is notorious for making unexpected changes that impact such software as well as audio interface hardware drivers. Even the recent security-related app restrictions to a “sandbox” has broken fundamental and important features (an example is ARA, for those in the know).

While you can blame the 3rd party software companies for not updating their software for the new OS, it is also unreasonable to expect them to do so every year and every time Apple makes such changes on a whim. Even Apple’s own software has been impacted by such changes. The workaround for Logic Pro is to run it using Rosetta, which not only negatively impacts the efficiency of processing within the app, but is also a solution that will not be available in the next OS release. Apple already announced that Rosetta will be retired for OS27.

Professional audio and video software and hardware can be very expensive. Creators rely on it to earn their income. They can’t take the risk that upgrading to a new OS version will render their equipment non-functional. Even worse, it can prevent accessing previous projects that utilize plugins that are no longer compatible. This is seriously a valid case of “if it ain’t broke…”

If you use your computer for anything more than browsing the web and sending email, making the decision to upgrade your OS is not simple, and it is reasonable for Apple to allow us the choice to not upgrade without nagging us to death while we are trying to be productive.
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Rosetta isn't being removed until macOS 28 so they still have some time to address it.
 
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dmr727 said:
This attitude is exactly why Apple is doing what it's doing, and why this thread exists. 😉
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Of course you are correct! A great number of Apple products users don't like others questioning what Apple does. But the only way to improve any product is by questioning its design.
 
jay-A said:
My guess is that, at this point in time, the install stats of Tahoe are nothing like what they were for previous versions, and for a good reason. So instead of pushing towards making better MacOS versions, Apple is pushing towards installing the cr@p they currently have. Simple as that.
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This is exactly what's happening. In the 2020's there's been a palpable shift in sentiment among the Apple user base (including diehards). The overall Apple UX is not what it used to be. Like I've said before, they'll continue to trade on their "premium brand" status...until they can't anymore. And it doesn't help that Joe Public's view of Tech Culture and Tech Bro Ethos is about as negative as it's ever been.
 
Black_Mage said:
That would be an acceptable answer if there was a way to make that 1 in the red circle go away. As far as I can tell, there isn't. That's annoying. There's nothing reasonable about annoying behavior.
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Edit: This is just a quick fix for the dock icon only - the 2 second fix.
You can’t get rid of the red circle in the System Setting panel where the updates are. However if you make an alias of the system settings app in the app folder and drag it down to the dock the red circle won’t be there. Then just delete the original icon out of the dock.
 
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So far, they haven't been pushy on MacOS (I use Sequoia), maybe because I have greatly limited notifications. But on iOS 26.1 on my iPhone, they are a bit pushy with the notifications.
 
Turn on the Sequoia beta. You will not be asked to switch to Tahoe after that. You may get security fixes early as a result.
 
Spcmac said:
Turn on the Sequoia beta. You will not be asked to switch to Tahoe after that. You may get security fixes early as a result.
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You may get bugs early as a result, not security fixes.

" Please note that since the beta software has not yet been commercially released by Apple, it may contain errors or inaccuracies and may not function as well as commercially released software.
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Install the beta software only on non-production devices that are not business critical. We strongly recommend installing on a secondary system or device, or on a secondary partition on your Mac."
https://beta.apple.com/faq
 
bogdanw said:
You may get bugs early as a result, not security fixes.

" Please note that since the beta software has not yet been commercially released by Apple, it may contain errors or inaccuracies and may not function as well as commercially released software.
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Install the beta software only on non-production devices that are not business critical. We strongly recommend installing on a secondary system or device, or on a secondary partition on your Mac."
https://beta.apple.com/faq
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They aren't developing for Sequoia anymore, you really won't get any updates beyond security fixes.
 
Apple is obligated to be pushy with updates.

Apple reputation for security and privacy isn't a coincidence. Love it or hate it that physiological sense of urgency helps with that. There are around 75+ distinct devices in Apples ecosystem they are maintaining, some require other devices to function properly.

They also need to keep the vast majority of their customers in the same place to minimize fragmentation and maximize feature implementation. Developers know where the customers are and they know they can use new and updated API's to expand their software immediately instead of waiting a decade of customer adoption.

Plus they just need to keep the brand fresh for new and existing customers.

I mean does anyone really think Apples goal is to upset and alienate their paying customers?
 
cynics said:
Apple is obligated to be pushy with updates.

Apple reputation for security and privacy isn't a coincidence. Love it or hate it that physiological sense of urgency helps with that. There are around 75+ distinct devices in Apples ecosystem they are maintaining, some require other devices to function properly.

They also need to keep the vast majority of their customers in the same place to minimize fragmentation and maximize feature implementation. Developers know where the customers are and they know they can use new and updated API's to expand their software immediately instead of waiting a decade of customer adoption.

Plus they just need to keep the brand fresh for new and existing customers.

I mean does anyone really think Apples goal is to upset and alienate their paying customers?
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🤣

"Apple wraps itself in a cloak of privacy, security, and consumer preferences to
justify its anticompetitive conduct.
In the end, Apple deploys privacy and security justifications as an elastic shield that can stretch or contract to serve Apple’s financial and business interests"
https://www.justice.gov/archives/op...nt-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets

Apple's operating systems (iOS & macOS) are so secure that they are hacked every two months or so.
Apple in the “Known Exploited Vulnerabilities Catalog”
https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog?search_api_fulltext=Apple

Apple recently released iOS 12.5.8 and other updates to make their garbage iMessage work on old iPhones, but did not provide any security fixes, endangering the users only to prevent them from moving to Android.
iOS 12.5.8 “This update has no published CVE entries” https://support.apple.com/en-us/100100

Apple keeps including outdated, vulnerable open-source software into macOS.
https://www.intego.com/mac-security...h-multiple-critical-vulnerabilities-in-macos/
curl --version 8.7.1 in Tahoe 26.3 is the same as in Sequoia 15.7.4
The latest version of curl is 8.18.0. Published vulnerabilities for curl https://curl.se/docs/security.html

Although it could, Apple does nothing about macOS info stealer malware, particularly the recent ClickFix tactics
“Unpacking the New “Matryoshka” ClickFix Variant: Typosquatting Campaign Delivers macOS Stealer”https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/matryoshka-clickfix-macos-stealer/
“Infostealers without borders: macOS, Python stealers, and platform abuse”
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sec...ers-macos-python-stealers-and-platform-abuse/
“AMOS infostealer targets macOS through a popular AI app”
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...ealer-targets-macos-through-a-popular-ai-app/
 
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cynics said:
Apple is obligated to be pushy with updates.
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They are not obliged. It is a choice.

cynics said:
Apple reputation for security and privacy isn't a coincidence. Love it or hate it that physiological sense of urgency helps with that. There are around 75+ distinct devices in Apples ecosystem they are maintaining, some require other devices to function properly.
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This is a solved problem in software. Apple are big enough, and rich enough, to manage that number of distinct devices – and a whole lot more, if they chose to.

cynics said:
They also need to keep the vast majority of their customers in the same place to minimize fragmentation and maximize feature implementation. Developers know where the customers are and they know they can use new and updated API's to expand their software immediately instead of waiting a decade of customer adoption.
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They do not *need* to aim for this. They choose to. And in so doing, they alienate some of their customers.

cynics said:
I mean does anyone really think Apples goal is to upset and alienate their paying customers?
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It's not their goal, of course, but they are judged by their actions. My iPhone 13 can run iOS 26, but I prefer to stay on iOS 18. Apple's response has been to withhold security updates to me, clearly trying to coerce me into moving to iOS 26. I resent this. My next phone will not be made by Apple. But not out of spite, but because I can no longer trust Apple to act in my best interests.
 
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Hopefully OCLP is able to get around the T2 chip in my 2018 MacBook Air, and be able to patch Tahoe. I like iOS 26 and would like to at least be able to try the macOS version.
 
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