iPhone 16 Pro Max Apple is out of their minds. This is unethical to say the least.

[Harmonious Zen]

I don't see what the issue is. False advertising? They're giving you free updates so even if you buy the phone and it doesn't have all the AI features yet, you'll be getting them soon enough.

 

[TechnoMonk]

You have no idea how much of it is processed locally vs. on Apple private cloud compute

Pot meet the kettle. You have no idea what Apple has published. Apple has published lot of details for on device model, on Apple servers, and comparisons. Not hard to guess based on benchmarks published. Sure, it will be clear once they release Apple intelligence in the wild.

 

[TechnoMonk]

It seems to me that the line Apple seems to be drawing is 8GB RAM.

If it were all about getting people to upgrade for no other reason, why did they extend support back to iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max (2023), iPad & Mac with M1 or later (2020)?

8GB RAM is the common thread among all devices that are at the minimum specified requirements for Apple Intelligence.

Apple models can consume about 3 GB, though they are loading different models(image, text and so on) as adapters. So I would guess 8 GB is a decent guess with out slowing down devices.

 

[techcboy]

Apple private cloud compute is also used for offloading demanding AI tasks. Preserves privacy much better than the cloud-based offerings from the vendors OP discussed.

But yes, some amount of Intelligence features are powered by on-device hardware.

Most of it’s done on device. Only the ultra complex and tasks the phone doesn’t know how to execute are passed to cloud compute.

Siri Context, genmoji, writing tools, photo tools etc are all on device.

 

[techcboy]

So I am an iPhone 13 Pro Max user, and I also happen to be a HEAVY ai user.

I pay for ChatGPT and also perplexity, and have used midjourney and also Leonardo AI for image generation.

And this is why I am not buying apples BS about upgrading.

See, because I have been using these services on my three year old phone just fine, I know that there are AI features that can be run on the iPhone I have now.

I accept that some things like reading email and creating summaries take on device power, but don't you dare tell me that I need to pay you to get "all" the AI features.

To make things worse, this is the first apple event I missed.

I tuned into it, but then had a work call and missed pretty much everything iPhone related, and when I went to go look at Macrumors I saw what exactly. Typical Apple talking points rubbish:

* NEW PROCESSOR FASTEST BESTEST EVER.
* LOOK AT THE CAMERA WOW!

That is pretty much it, that and the mention of how the phone was "built for AI..." when again most of us that are actually interested in AI understand totally that we can use it on our three, four or even FIVE year old devices.

And let's talk about that launch, shall we?

I updated my M1 Pro macbook to 15 today because it was the RC, and there are ZERO ai features in this build. Not a single one.

So you expect users to pay to upgrade devices for software that is "coming soon," which can already run mostly fine on older devices now, huh?

Forced obsolesces is a thing. And apple is bringing this to an absurd degree.

Their tactics started getting really out of hand when they told users they cannot use portrait mode or noise isolation unless they are on Apple Silicon (when you can 100% do noise isolation with an app called Krisp on any processor), and it is getting way out of hand here.

I do love my apple products, but the way they are forcing upgrades is really unnerving, especially in the economy we are in where many of us decide what payment arrangement to make that much to feed out families.

Just gross.

You sound stressed, maybe turn off your device and go get some fresh air.

In short: When quizzed about older products not getting Apple Intelligence, execs said it was more or less due to ram constraints handing on device AI. It was too slow to be useful, which is why there is a minimum of 8GB to run Apple Intelligence.

Edit: The tasks you listed are doing in the cloud in an insecure way, they’re not done on device - even though the app and device may make it look seamless.

 

[15C Driver]

All these kids don’t remember how hard Apple tried to tell us Siri and Panoramic camera “needed” the A5 chip when it ran just fine on A4 devices through jailbreak. This isn’t new for them, and Apple Intelligence isn’t crucial for anyone yet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ see if it’s more than a gimmick in a year or two

Siri sucked at launch (still sucks IMO). I really don't get the excitement about "Apple Intelligence", I hope we have the ability to disable/remove it.

 

[techcboy]

Siri sucked at launch (still sucks IMO). I really don't get the excitement about "Apple Intelligence", I hope we have the ability to disable/remove it.

Yeah you don’t have to use it, but from beta testing it, it’s been quite handy. It’s Ai you use without realising you’re using it, which is how it should be imo. Siri is still the same because that side of Apple Intelligence hasn’t been activated yet.

 

[The Game 161]

Siri sucked at launch (still sucks IMO). I really don't get the excitement about "Apple Intelligence", I hope we have the ability to disable/remove it.

If you don’t want Siri to suck you need to use it. Without Apple intelligence Siri will suck but with it Siri will be as good as most out there

 

[ThunderSkunk]

Yeah it's pretty slimy, but they crossed the line almost a decade ago with the 2016+ MacBook Pro's but as it turned out, everyone who cared complained on the internet to no one, while another batch of millions of new students that semester put brand new shiny MBP's on their student loans just the same, as tens of millions of new students do every semester, and the magical money steamroller just keeps right on rolling along unfazed by every criticism in its path.

 

[seek3r]

So I am an iPhone 13 Pro Max user, and I also happen to be a HEAVY ai user.

I pay for ChatGPT and also perplexity, and have used midjourney and also Leonardo AI for image generation.

And this is why I am not buying apples BS about upgrading.

See, because I have been using these services on my three year old phone just fine, I know that there are AI features that can be run on the iPhone I have now.

I accept that some things like reading email and creating summaries take on device power, but don't you dare tell me that I need to pay you to get "all" the AI features.

To make things worse, this is the first apple event I missed.

I tuned into it, but then had a work call and missed pretty much everything iPhone related, and when I went to go look at Macrumors I saw what exactly. Typical Apple talking points rubbish:

* NEW PROCESSOR FASTEST BESTEST EVER.
* LOOK AT THE CAMERA WOW!

That is pretty much it, that and the mention of how the phone was "built for AI..." when again most of us that are actually interested in AI understand totally that we can use it on our three, four or even FIVE year old devices.

And let's talk about that launch, shall we?

I updated my M1 Pro macbook to 15 today because it was the RC, and there are ZERO ai features in this build. Not a single one.

So you expect users to pay to upgrade devices for software that is "coming soon," which can already run mostly fine on older devices now, huh?

Forced obsolesces is a thing. And apple is bringing this to an absurd degree.

Their tactics started getting really out of hand when they told users they cannot use portrait mode or noise isolation unless they are on Apple Silicon (when you can 100% do noise isolation with an app called Krisp on any processor), and it is getting way out of hand here.

I do love my apple products, but the way they are forcing upgrades is really unnerving, especially in the economy we are in where many of us decide what payment arrangement to make that much to feed out families.

Just gross.

Running a front end to an LLM model running in the cloud and running an LLM locally are a bit different…

 

[h.gilbert]

Apple has been unethical for over a decade, so I'm not sure why people are surprised now. (Minghold's refrain: don't buy any Macbook made after 2015, or any iMac made after 2019. Suffice also to say that any iWidget-fulltime device is a hotline to intelligence-gathering entities.)

Some of that stuff on that blog is, well, frankly a bit unsettling. I don't know enough about computers to full understand it, but then again I doubt that those that tout Apple as being "privacy focused" do either. I guess this level of "spying" is just the norm today. Windows and Android I presume are no different. While I'd like to have more digital privacy it feels like it's come to a point now where it's simply too inconvenient to do so.

Apple is Still Tracking You Without Consent (2022)

Apple Has Begun Scanning Your Local Image Files Without Consent (2023)

Apple OSes Are Insecure By Design To Aid Surveillance (2023)

 

[IceCool]

So I am an iPhone 13 Pro Max user, and I also happen to be a HEAVY ai user.

I pay for ChatGPT and also perplexity, and have used midjourney and also Leonardo AI for image generation.

And this is why I am not buying apples BS about upgrading.

See, because I have been using these services on my three year old phone just fine, I know that there are AI features that can be run on the iPhone I have now.

I accept that some things like reading email and creating summaries take on device power, but don't you dare tell me that I need to pay you to get "all" the AI features.

To make things worse, this is the first apple event I missed.

I tuned into it, but then had a work call and missed pretty much everything iPhone related, and when I went to go look at Macrumors I saw what exactly. Typical Apple talking points rubbish:

* NEW PROCESSOR FASTEST BESTEST EVER.
* LOOK AT THE CAMERA WOW!

That is pretty much it, that and the mention of how the phone was "built for AI..." when again most of us that are actually interested in AI understand totally that we can use it on our three, four or even FIVE year old devices.

And let's talk about that launch, shall we?

I updated my M1 Pro macbook to 15 today because it was the RC, and there are ZERO ai features in this build. Not a single one.

So you expect users to pay to upgrade devices for software that is "coming soon," which can already run mostly fine on older devices now, huh?

Forced obsolesces is a thing. And apple is bringing this to an absurd degree.

Their tactics started getting really out of hand when they told users they cannot use portrait mode or noise isolation unless they are on Apple Silicon (when you can 100% do noise isolation with an app called Krisp on any processor), and it is getting way out of hand here.

I do love my apple products, but the way they are forcing upgrades is really unnerving, especially in the economy we are in where many of us decide what payment arrangement to make that much to feed out families.

Just gross.

This whole thing was funny to read…

“…HEAVY ai user” and not understanding the crucial difference on-device processing vs. off-device server queries…

But, of course… there is no such thing as ignorance without the old reliable planned obsolescence fallacy.

 

[Taco1933]

Then vote with your wallet and don’t buy it? The outrage over these releases is bizarre and one of the reasons I don’t hang around here in the offseason. It’s like everybody expects a phone custom-tailored to them.

 

[Knowimagination]

I tire of posts like this every year over whatever pet issue comes up. You have been shown why it makes sense for apple to do it this way. There isn’t anything remotely unethical about it, but if you don’t like it by all means don’t buy it.

 

[BellSystem]

lol. The fanboy normies aren’t going to understand your criticism of Apple. But you are right. It’s all a cash grab. They are running out of steam and need to get creative to keep generating profits.

 

[jwolf6589]

So I am an iPhone 13 Pro Max user, and I also happen to be a HEAVY ai user.

I pay for ChatGPT and also perplexity, and have used midjourney and also Leonardo AI for image generation.

And this is why I am not buying apples BS about upgrading.

See, because I have been using these services on my three year old phone just fine, I know that there are AI features that can be run on the iPhone I have now.

I accept that some things like reading email and creating summaries take on device power, but don't you dare tell me that I need to pay you to get "all" the AI features.

To make things worse, this is the first apple event I missed.

I tuned into it, but then had a work call and missed pretty much everything iPhone related, and when I went to go look at Macrumors I saw what exactly. Typical Apple talking points rubbish:

* NEW PROCESSOR FASTEST BESTEST EVER.
* LOOK AT THE CAMERA WOW!

That is pretty much it, that and the mention of how the phone was "built for AI..." when again most of us that are actually interested in AI understand totally that we can use it on our three, four or even FIVE year old devices.

And let's talk about that launch, shall we?

I updated my M1 Pro macbook to 15 today because it was the RC, and there are ZERO ai features in this build. Not a single one.

So you expect users to pay to upgrade devices for software that is "coming soon," which can already run mostly fine on older devices now, huh?

Forced obsolesces is a thing. And apple is bringing this to an absurd degree.

Their tactics started getting really out of hand when they told users they cannot use portrait mode or noise isolation unless they are on Apple Silicon (when you can 100% do noise isolation with an app called Krisp on any processor), and it is getting way out of hand here.

I do love my apple products, but the way they are forcing upgrades is really unnerving, especially in the economy we are in where many of us decide what payment arrangement to make that much to feed out families.

Just gross.

Why are you still not using an Apple IIgs from 1989? Or a Macintosh LC III from 1993? Come on Apple they forced you to upgrade!!!

 

[BellSystem]

Why are you still not using an Apple IIgs from 1989? Or a Macintosh LC III from 1993? Come on Apple they forced you to upgrade!!!

Lol to be fair…those were in regular use far longer than the average iPhone. The iPhone life cycle is shorter than the hardwares true life.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

Fellas, is having "Hardware requirements" unethical?

 

[TonyC28]

Fellas, is having "Hardware requirements" unethical?

Nah, I don't know if I would go there. But there has to be a word for selling something that is "built for" something that is not available on that thing. I'm sure Apple didn't plan it this way, and things got delayed, and Apple is neck-deep in this annual cycle that they won't deviate from......but it is what it is now. So it's not unethical. It's not false advertising. But it's...something. 🤷‍♂️

 

[ProbablyDylan]

Nah, I don't know if I would go there. But there has to be a word for selling something that is "built for" something that is not available on that thing. I'm sure Apple didn't plan it this way, and things got delayed, and Apple is neck-deep in this annual cycle that they won't deviate from......but it is what it is now. So it's not unethical. It's not false advertising. But it's...something. 🤷‍♂️

Yeah the dishonest marketing angle is definitely there. At the same time, Tesla has been selling cars with the promise of them driving themselves for how long?

I guess dishonest would be a fair assessment.

 

[HylianKnight]

My decade old gaming PC can run 2024 games “fine”, but it’s not a great experience.

 

[Flowstates]

lol. The fanboy normies aren’t going to understand your criticism of Apple. But you are right. It’s all a cash grab. They are running out of steam and need to get creative to keep generating profits.

Leaving the childish qualifiers out of the question, we are not negating criticism ... Just pointing out that he chose the wrong hill to die on this particular issue. Having a tiered system for apple intelligence functionnality, whilst consumer friendly ... would be a technical nightmare and an expensive complexity.

 

[Devyn89]

I love people complaining it’s a cash grab… like yes, it is. Welcome to capitalism, making money is literally the point. It’s not a good one but obviously it’s a cash grab, every company that makes anything is a cash grab.

 

[Charlesrfinal]

Wow. Literal definition of mad bro.

Just keep rocking that 13PM.
You're doing fine already.

 

[BellSystem]

Leaving the childish qualifiers out of the question, we are not negating criticism ... Just pointing out that he chose the wrong hill to die on this particular issue. Having a tiered system for apple intelligence functionnality, whilst consumer friendly ... would be a technical nightmare and an expensive complexity.

Apple Intelligence is an oxymoron.