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Apple is 'Ramping Up' Work on a New Studio Display

Many of the replies are spot on. Kudo the the MacRumors community. IF, the new M4 Mac Studio is this summer it seems strange to wait another year for a new display. This sounds like bad mis-management internally. I watch Apple closely and follow Gurman, et. al. If the major updates for the Mac Studio are on a 2 year cycle, I would hope displays would be on at least a 4 year cycle too! (kinda an off/on) The M3 cycle seems to have thrown Apple off. March 2022 was the M1 Studios, then June of 2023 were the M2 Studios. The Studio Display was March-June of 2022. Seems weird to drop a display without a new computer with it. Thus, we get M5 Studios next year with new Studio Displays? My guess is we either get one this year or Apple gets out of displays again. Samsung has released two decent competitors to the original Studio Display in the last 3 years, much less other manufacturers. If Gurman is right, my guess NO DISPLAYS will happen. The OTHER option is we DON'T get M4 Studios this year and BOTH computer and displays come next year.(not likely, imho)
 
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Cervisia said:
Apple refusing to add features that should be there in an expensive display after the home office boom is not the good king of variety. And those features are dirt cheap compared to what they ask for the display. And there is no upselling pontential either, since they don't provide any variety.
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Well I don't want to pay for features that I'm not gonna use, so I'm happy Apple isn't adding a ton of stuff that just makes it more expensive. Want a KVM switch? Buy one. Want a hub? Buy one. But don't make every other monitor shopper subsidize them for you.

On the recent thread about the 27" ASUS monitor, another forum member said the ASD's webcam was bad and the speakers were terrible, and he would rather buy those things himself. While I disagree with him on the webcam/speakers part of the statement, I'd rather have a less is more approach, and not have to pay for a bunch of "features" that I'll never use, that add complexity and expense.
 
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Apple have always been this slow (or usually much slower) at updating displays. However with OLED displays becoming widespread this feels like Apple is ‘skating to where the puck WAS’.
 
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MacRumors said:


Apple is "ramping up" work on a new Studio Display, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

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In his Power On newsletter today, Gurman said the new Studio Display "should arrive by 2026," alongside Macs with M5 chips.

The new Studio Display will have a similar design as the current model, including a 27-inch screen size, according to Gurman.

The new display is codenamed J427 within Apple, he added.

Gurman did not reveal any new features or changes planned for the next Studio Display. Last week, however, display industry analyst Ross Young said Apple was developing a new 27-inch display with mini-LEDs that could launch in late 2025 or early 2026. Young believes this display could be a new Studio Display with mini-LED backlighting.

Mini-LED technology would provide benefits such as increased brightness and higher contrast ratio compared to the current Studio Display with LEDs.

Apple released the Studio Display in March 2022, alongside the Mac Studio. It has a 5K resolution, a 60Hz refresh rate, up to 600 nits brightness, a camera and speakers, one Thunderbolt 3 port, and three USB-C ports. U.S. pricing starts at $1,599.

Article Link: Apple is 'Ramping Up' Work on a New Studio Display
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If it doesn't have 120hz I'm going to lose my marbles
 
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PsykX said:
This would be great :
- 120 Hz
- MiniLED
- Much smaller bezels
- Much better webcam
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and twice the price :)

MacRumors said:
"should arrive by 2026,"
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your wish. Best would be December 2026, but I think 2027 more likely.
Display technology is very new, expensive and difficult to produce. That is why we don't see any cheap displays and why it takes Apple 10 years to produce one :D I Would not be surprised that R&D going to new display is much larger then what was going to project TITAN /s
 
Sippincider said:
The panel itself will likely be from LG or Samsung, so how much "ramping up" do they need for the case??
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Every internal screw will need to be redesigned to make sure it still looks nice, and meets current fashion criteria. That takes time, especially since only one person is working on that, and they come into the office only every few days.
 
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Jumpthesnark said:
Well I don't want to pay for features that I'm not gonna use, so I'm happy Apple isn't adding a ton of stuff that just makes it more expensive. Want a KVM switch? Buy one. Want a hub? Buy one. But don't make every other monitor shopper subsidize them for you.

On the recent thread about the 27" ASUS monitor, another forum member said the ASD's webcam was bad and the speakers were terrible, and he would rather buy those things himself. While I disagree with him on the webcam/speakers part of the statement, I'd rather have a less is more approach, and not have to pay for a bunch of "features" that I'll never use, that add complexity and expense.
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Well I have to pay for features in an iphone I don't want or even the polar opposite of what I want, like multiple cameras and magsafe. If you buy a 1600 bucks display, you'd survive a little extra cost.
 
deevey said:
I'd love to see a link to what you consider as equivalent or better for 1/3 of the money.

Native MacOS scaling, Peak Nits, Uniformity, Build quality, Decent 7 speaker and a decent webcam (for its intended purpose of video calls - not making YouTube videos) are the reasons people choose the ASD - not the high FPS.
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As I've mentioned in a later comment, having a built-in webcam is a huge con for me, essentially disqualifies the display for me.

I consider any display with thunderbolt hub (and I only disqualify usb-c hubs because Apple is cheap and haven't implemented displayport daisy chainging in macos...) and kvm better for productivity in the 27" size which has at least wqhd resolution and an ips panel.

Yes, the studio display will look nicer, both physically and the picture it displays. But not having a display in the home office era which can seamlessly switch between computers, while they put the pro label on everything, even on earpods, is a huge joke. Heck, you can't even switch between input sources without replacing a cable. Don't tell me about nits and whatever until it can't do this basic thing.
 
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Probably next year during WWDC, a new one might be launched. Expecting it to be priced the same as the current model. 120Hz will be good but not sure whether it will happen.
 
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twistedpixel8 said:
People who want a 5K display made of quality materials that looks nice on our desks.
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Question. Let's say a vendor (maybe LG just to name somebody) came out with 2 new 5K 27" displays and you were in the market. Both had whatever feature sets you wanted, excellent match for what you wanted with hardly anything superfluous, and the cheaper of the two was a really good buy. Picture in your mind whatever that good-but-reasonable cost would be...$800 (like the ASUS), $1,000, whatever.

Now imagine both monitors are identical in terms of capabilities - ports, resolution, refresh rate, everything...except for one key difference. The cheaper one has a largely plastic body like the ASUS display. Works fine, pretty typical look for mainstream computer displays today, etc... And the more expensive one is a dead ringer for the Apple Studio Display - aluminum body, doesn't flex or creak when you grip and move it around, has that industrial minimalistic 'metal' aesthetic, etc...

How much extra money would you pay to get the more expensive model simply to gain that look, and a sturdier body in a product you likely seldom touch and for which the more plastic version would probably do fine?

The ASD gets criticized on price and competitors on 'plastic' bodies. I'd like to know what the aluminum and style are worth to people in dollars.

Jumpthesnark said:
Well I don't want to pay for features that I'm not gonna use, so I'm happy Apple isn't adding a ton of stuff that just makes it more expensive. Want a KVM switch? Buy one. Want a hub? Buy one. But don't make every other monitor shopper subsidize them for you.
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Apple seems to want their displays to be regarded (and priced!) as premium products, and it's hard to do that if it doesn't have more (or at least as many) features compared to competitors. A KVM switch is commonly included with competitor offerings (as is no-added-charge height-adjustable stand and at least with ASUS a longer warranty without paying extra, but hey, who's keeping score... 😁 ).

So far, Apple's approach has deflected some criticism because comparing the ASD with competitors is an 'apples to oranges' thing - it's glossy they're mostly matte, it's got spatial audio and their speakers are often quite inferior, it's got a built-in webcam with Center Stage, it's got aluminum body and looks cool, etc...

My point is, what you want is very understandable and I tend to agree, but it may not be compatible with Apple's marketing strategy.

And with your desires, are you sure it's an Apple display you want? Other than being glossy, what else can you not find in a competing 5K 27" 3rd party display?
 
Cervisia said:
There are displays that can do these for third of the price while having a 120hz panel. The only thing going for the AD is the resolution, but I'd choose the other features over it any day.
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So why complain? Buy one of those monitors who fits your need better and provides better value.
One should never complain about bad consumer electronics when there exist better alternatives.
 
Cervisia said:
Apple refusing to add features that should be there in an expensive display after the home office boom is not the good king of variety. And those features are dirt cheap compared to what they ask for the display. And there is no upselling pontential either, since they don't provide any variety.
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It doesn't really change anything.

Few functions, cheap price: Many options
Many functions, cheap to medium price: Many options
Many functions, expensive price: A few options
Few functions, expensive price: None

So, if Apple as the only manufacturer release a monitor in the last category nothing has become worse for any monitor buyer since all the options which where there before, is still there.
 
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Those of us with a 27" Apple Studio Display that have pinched panel corners (causing light bleed with dark colors/blacks, a very common problem with this display due to Apple's assembly, not the panels themselves) should be offered a discount towards the next generation. I know, lol, not going to happen, but just a thought.

I went through 4 ASDs and they all had the same issue with varying severity and corner counts. I eventually gave up and kept the best one because I just needed a damn display and 3rd party displays don't really play that well with macOS. A miniLED (or better) panel would remedy this if their production process still pinches the panels during assembly (on some displays, I know there are many who do not have this issue, or will never notice it).

Panels aside, Apple has got to stop blocking users from creating their own color profiles on their Pro displays (and MacBook Pros). Yes, there is a workaround and you can find the utility and make your own profile, but macOS doesn't remember these settings and the user has to re-apply the profile after every display/Mac wake. I wish someone would write an app to automatically re-apply the last color profile used at wake and or logon, or with an app click.

Imagine shipping displays that have a heavy dingy, green tint right out of the box (this seems to be the industry standard, unfortunately), and not letting the user change the color profile to correct it for their eyes (everyone sees things differently, I see the dreaded green tint in just about every panel I see, from IPS to OLED and immediately correct them). I am not speaking of hardware/software calibration.

Lastly, it's time for a damn 32" Apple Studio Display and or iMac (throw the word 'Pro' on it to differentiate, if they must), but priced way lower than the current Pro/XDR offering. 32" isn't just for pros, just like miniLED and OLED aren't just for pros either, but profit margins, stock-price, and so on...
 
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and twice the price :)
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I don't think so.
The Apple Studio Display is already 3 years old.
  • Webcam : It was already meant to be absolutely stunning. It ended up being one of the worst webcams ever. I bought two of these displays - I've tested it - I can confirm it.
  • 120 Hz: I've seen 750 Hz at CES. Of course this is just for show off, it's completely useless. But 120 Hz should be possible. The only reason was because there was no wire to transmit 5K @ 120 Hz before. You need a tech that supports at least 43 Gbps data transfer. Now these techs exist :
    • Thunderbolt 5
    • Display Port 2.1
    • HDMI 2.1
  • Smaller bezels : Well, nearly all monitors have smaller bezels nowadays, I don't see why it wouldn't be feasible.
  • MiniLED : As per the rumour mentioned in the article.
 
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Got two ASD with VESA mounts when I acquired my Mac Ultra Studio. They work fine for me.

Got another ASD with standard mount and nano display to use at our summer place in the mountains where sunlight comes in from the dormer windows of my "office". It will be connected to a new M4 Pro Mac mini along with Apple Magic Keyboard and MK3 mouse from Logitech. When at home, the New ASD connects to my file server M4 Pro Mac mini.

I did the third party stuff years ago as the transition to small computers happened. Not interested with that fire drill anymore. My ASD are designed to work with Apple equipment and software so there is much less finger pointing whenever an question arises with Apple tech support.

An ASD and M4 Pro Mac mini combined are the new "iMac" but with individual parts so that both do not need to be thrown away if the other dies. I put a 12 South shelf on the back of the ASD stand for the mini and suddenly it is an iMac for all intents and purposes.
 
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Last year saw a lot of new 32" OLED panels launch, this year will see a lot of 27" OLED panels launch. Apple is going to take another year to fit a Mini LED panel into its existing monitor that costs more.
But Apple displays if I recall have glass fronts? Which makes them a lot more durable.
 
hans1972 said:
So why complain? Buy one of those monitors who fits your need better and provides better value.
One should never complain about bad consumer electronics when there exist better alternatives.
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One should, when he has shares in said company developing bad consumer electronics.
 
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PsykX said:
120 Hz: I've seen 750 Hz at CES. Of course this is just for show off, it's completely useless. But 120 Hz should be possible. The only reason was because there was no wire to transmit 5K @ 120 Hz before. You need a tech that supports at least 43 Gbps data transfer. Now these techs exist :
  • Thunderbolt 5
  • Display Port 2.1
  • HDMI 2.1
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Raising the question which current Macs can drive it.

From Apple's web site:

"M4
Simultaneously supports up to three displays:
  • Up to three displays: Two displays with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz over Thunderbolt and one display with up to 5K resolution at 60Hz over Thunderbolt or 4K resolution at 60Hz over HDMI
  • Up to two displays: One display with up to 5K resolution at 60Hz over Thunderbolt and one display with up to 8K resolution at 60Hz or 4K resolution at 240Hz over Thunderbolt or HDMI
Thunderbolt 4 digital video output
  • Support for native DisplayPort 1.4 output over USB-C"
But searching online found a couple of claims that all M4-based Mac Minis have HDMI 2.1.

If that assertion is correct, even a base M4 Mac Mini could potentially drive a 120-Hz 5K ASD, if it's released, but if your assertions of what connection types are required is accurate, it could only do so by HDMI, not Thunderbolt (4).

So at least the M4 Macs (that have HDMI) could drive this hypothetical new ASD. I wondered if they'd release 2024 line withholding TB 5 from the base M4 knowing this, but then again, maybe that added incentive to include it in the M4Pro and Max?

The M2 Mac Studio uses HDMI 2.0, but M3Pro and M3Max series Macs have HDMI 2.1.

My point is, the ASD is intended to be used with Macs, not other devices. Macs are already a niche market, a small segment of the total PC market. A 5K, 120-Hz display will effectively restrict the market for such an ASD to HDMI 2.1 Macs (M3Pro, M3Max, M4) or Thunderbolt 5 Macs (M4Pro and M4Max). For a possibly $1,600 (+ AppleCare+ and tax likely) that most users don't buy.

If this is all accurate, they need to release it alongside a new Mac Studio as a high end option. But how many of those users value 120-Hz refresh rates? I doubt they'll aim to game on it.
 
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