I suspect most of us will cherrypick songs as usual.
They might not allow that... it might be all or nothing...
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Apple iTunes Offers Led Zeppelin Digital Box Set
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They might not allow that... it might be all or nothing...
I have a question that may sound niece but its not as daft as it sounds
It has to do with the fact that I've ripped a cd and compared it to a version from iTunes and the iTunes one does sound better so I wonder can one cd drive rip better than another. That is considering its digital it still has to be read and so if errors are present because of a misreading of the data from the cd then the digital info going into the digital to analog convertor can both vary in quality and be a degraded or untrue version. That said could one assume that apple iTunes copies are ripped using high end gear or direct from pure digital masters and in addition never going to be subjected to digital misreading meaning you get a perfect rendition each time ?
It has to do with the fact that I've ripped a cd and compared it to a version from iTunes and the iTunes one does sound better so I wonder can one cd drive rip better than another. That is considering its digital it still has to be read and so if errors are present because of a misreading of the data from the cd then the digital info going into the digital to analog convertor can both vary in quality and be a degraded or untrue version. That said could one assume that apple iTunes copies are ripped using high end gear or direct from pure digital masters and in addition never going to be subjected to digital misreading meaning you get a perfect rendition each time ?
I know that SOME of the music comes directly from the master tapes. I'm not so sure about all of it though.
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Originally Posted by chicagostars
Back 'em up and then sell the physical discs to a resale shop to recoup some of your money for something else (more music, perhaps?) . . . that's what I say!
Forgot to say that mine was a tongue-in-cheek comment, but music resale shops owners would argue with you on that one. It has not been established as illegal for a person to sell an original copy of a recording that they legally purchased to another entity. Now, there is still murkiness in regards to keeping a digital copy for your own PERSONAL use and what legal and/or ethical issues this raises. Of course, the heads of the major record labels and their legal teams are about as ethical as pimps . . .
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Originally Posted by chicagostars
Back 'em up and then sell the physical discs to a resale shop to recoup some of your money for something else (more music, perhaps?) . . . that's what I say!
Forgot to say that mine was a tongue-in-cheek comment, but music resale shops owners would argue with you on that one. It has not been established as illegal for a person to sell an original copy of a recording that they legally purchased to another entity. Now, there is still murkiness in regards to keeping a digital copy for your own PERSONAL use and what legal and/or ethical issues this raises. Of course, the heads of the major record labels and their legal teams are about as ethical as pimps . . .
Happy Birthday iPod!
Happy 6th birthday for the iPod!
Officially launched Oct. 23rd, 2001.
You've come a long way, baby!
Happy 6th birthday for the iPod!
Officially launched Oct. 23rd, 2001.
You've come a long way, baby!
Wrong- it is very well established law. If you sell the original CD's, you relinquish your license. You have to destroy all copies (yes, even digital) as you no longer hold a license for that music on your selling the CDs. But you definitely have the right to sell the CDs- you just can't keep the music from them.
You mean that iTunes d/l's are taken directly from Master Tapes? I find that VERY hard to believe.
The Lemon Song
The Lemon Song ....
I think that is the ONLY song other than Stairway to Heaven that I know Zeppelin plays. I TOTALLy respect their skill and creativity though. Those guys had Soul .... a different kind of soul but definately soul!
I just hope I can purchase this song.
The Lemon Song ....
I think that is the ONLY song other than Stairway to Heaven that I know Zeppelin plays. I TOTALLy respect their skill and creativity though. Those guys had Soul .... a different kind of soul but definately soul!
I just hope I can purchase this song.
I was referring to you keeping the copy. The right to resale is not one that I'd ever challenge.
The copy is authorized under fair use for as long as you own the original. As soon as you forfeit your rights to the original, the copy is no longer authorized and you must delete it.
I only like a few Led Zeppelin songs. Most of their stuff is too demonic and/or screechy sounding for my taste. But I've already got the "good" tracks on CD.
I hope these iTunes tracks are from the recently issued remastered albums (circa 2007). Then I'd consider replacing the 7-8 tracks I already have.
I hope these iTunes tracks are from the recently issued remastered albums (circa 2007). Then I'd consider replacing the 7-8 tracks I already have.
It's my estimation that iTunes offerings are made from a CD copy, not an original master recording. In many cases, the recording companies will not release the original master recordings. In other cases, the original master recordings are degraded or destroyed.
For quite some time, digital recordings were made from analog multitrack masters. Hence much of the inherent artifaction of the analog medium would carry over into the digital recording.
Most CD rips aren't going to result in noticeable artifaction because a bit-for-bit copy from a CD is pretty easy to produce at a rapid speed. It's a lot more complicated when, say, mastering two-track recordings for use on a CD from a multitrack source. There's a lot of calculations that go into transcoding the data from multiple tracks into a two-track high resolution master. Computer software however has become relatively sophisticated due to the tremendous power of CPUs and accuracy of CPU internal quartz oscillator clocks to which the sampling is synchronized (and reclocked on playback, eliminating jitter). Thus, computer mastering systems rival the best solid state A/D converters and playback systems are sufficiently accurate to rival the best solid state D/A converters. They simply have more processor and memory resources behind them to perform sufficient calculations during the sample & hold buffer phase of A/D or D/A conversion, which is the most critical component of recording/playback in digital systems. The longer the software has to sample, analyze, interpret, resample, parity check and confirm, during each processor cycle, the more accurate the encoding or decoding.
But considering that the rudimentary Sony PCM-F1 digital recording processor coupled with a Betamax deck in 1981 was sufficiently advanced digital recording technology for the average audio recording nut to produce accurate digital recordings, computers even ten years ago were sufficiently armed to encode/decode with accuracy.
But again, if all you're doing is ripping a CD... there's no encoding going on. It's just copying bits from a Linear PCM stream into a Linear PCM stream on your hard drive. AIFF and WAV are just "wrappers" to make Linear PCM recognizable and readable on a computer. They are not encoding/compression schema.
I have always wondered what happened if you lost your originals due to a fire or robbery and you still had your copy. Now would you have to repurchase the discs and what happens to music where you cannot get the original disc anymore?
ok. well, 22 seconds in, the guitar progresses, and I can hear digital artifacting CLEARLY at 128 vs. cd. Are you listening on iPod headphones or stock speakers? I use Sony Studio Monitors for my own personal sound recording at home and Alesis or JBL studio monitors at work when editing video or listening to music. Now, I'm not going to go on and detail every time I hear CLEAR artifacting in the Rain Song. it's a 7 minute song
But hey, if you don't notice it, awesome. Stick with your 128! Just please don't say there's no difference between a 3 mb 128 sound file vs. uncompressed.
Otherwise I suppose we can all blowup thumbnails of Van Gogh, print them, and frame them on our walls. And call them originals.
EDIT - sry blue velvet, just read your post about keeping bit rates out of thread. but in my opinion, it is relavant with Zeppelin being available for Digital Download.
After this I'm done.
I didn't hear it. But then again I'm not using whatever speakers you are. Mine are CA speakers. I'll keep saying what I do though, because it is my opinion.
That's what the fair use backups are for.
That applies for fire, at least. Not sure about robbery, but I would assume so.
keep it legal
Of course you relinquish license when you sell the CD. I only say murky because it may be illegal, but many people don't see any ethical issue with selling a CD that they've ripped for their own personal use. (scofflaws!) Going after people who make files available on P2P sites is one thing, but the labels would be biting off way too much of they chose to seek out the many people who rip and keep songs from disks they've unloaded. (if this was a possibility)
Of course you relinquish license when you sell the CD. I only say murky because it may be illegal, but many people don't see any ethical issue with selling a CD that they've ripped for their own personal use. (scofflaws!) Going after people who make files available on P2P sites is one thing, but the labels would be biting off way too much of they chose to seek out the many people who rip and keep songs from disks they've unloaded. (if this was a possibility)
Up fro £59 on the UK iTunes store. Given I have the majority of the CD's (bought in the last 12 months), thinking I may pass if the this isn't a Plus offering. Will reserve judgement for now as I have a lot of store credit to use, and for once, Apple haven't been too creative with the $->£ conversion.
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I expect that is true but once you've ripped there will be no further loss during playback and the digital copy will remain umchanchaged indefinately whereas continued listning to your cd on a variety of cd players will produce a different set of results over time as the ability of the laser to accurately read and interprate the data changes. Indeed the reading of data from an audio cd to be transcoded into audio on a consumer cd player will always be a "version" of the data and not a bit for bit reading that you get from a hard disk or especially a flash drive. Furthermore, i would imagine that the digital master 2 channel aac files delivered to apple by music companies wil be ripped from either a direct digital bounce from a modern digital archive and may well have never seen a cd or that especially in the case of a digital remaster from say EMI would be a digital data copy rather than an audio transcode from any cd source.
that said it appears nobody actually knows but i know that there is a value in a digital copy that will never degrade. How you get that copy seems to be the point of difference but i imagine we are close to audiophile sound differences which indeed may mean gold plated terminals may get mentioned at any time!.
I expect that is true but once you've ripped there will be no further loss during playback and the digital copy will remain umchanchaged indefinately whereas continued listning to your cd on a variety of cd players will produce a different set of results over time as the ability of the laser to accurately read and interprate the data changes. Indeed the reading of data from an audio cd to be transcoded into audio on a consumer cd player will always be a "version" of the data and not a bit for bit reading that you get from a hard disk or especially a flash drive. Furthermore, i would imagine that the digital master 2 channel aac files delivered to apple by music companies wil be ripped from either a direct digital bounce from a modern digital archive and may well have never seen a cd or that especially in the case of a digital remaster from say EMI would be a digital data copy rather than an audio transcode from any cd source.
that said it appears nobody actually knows but i know that there is a value in a digital copy that will never degrade. How you get that copy seems to be the point of difference but i imagine we are close to audiophile sound differences which indeed may mean gold plated terminals may get mentioned at any time!.
79,99 Euro in iTunes Germany! That's quite cheap, because normally all prices in Dollar are charged 1:1 in Euro in iTunes. Not to speak of examples like "Depeche Mode Complete": 169,99 Dollar in iTunes USA, 179,99 Euro in iTunes Germany!
Also the CD-Box with the complete studio recordings (missing the Live albums of the iTunes offer) costs at amazon.de 153,90 Euro!
BTW the release date for "The Complete Led Zeppelin (Remastered)" in iTunes Germany is set to November 9.
That's what the fair use backups are for.
That applies for fire, at least. Not sure about robbery, but I would assume so.
It does? But what if you get insurance money for it? So basically you'd be not hurting anyone, because a) it is within your fair use rights to not have to repurchase the discs and b) the insurance company couldn't care less if you replaced your original discs with the insurance money and since you actually lost the discs it is not a scam either.
You sure this is correct?
If you're reimbursed for the lost property, I'm pretty sure that forfeits your right to the backup. I'm not sure of the intricacies (nor am I sure that there's a precedent for this), but that's my understanding of the laws.
This is only true if you fail to take care of your disc or your player.
That's exactly what it is, actually. 16 bits per sample, 44,1000 samples per second.
Most analyses I've read conclude that Apple does a high-quality rip from a retail CD.
This is why CDs were so popular over vinyl, cassettes, and 8-tracks.
No. If properly stored to prevent oxidization and perforation (i.e. disc rot), the actual reading of the subsurface pits by the low-power laser does not, unlike a diamond stylus on vinyl, wear down the structure of those pits so as to alter the data. Even if it did, there is enough error correction built into a PCM stream from surrounding data and buffer interpolation. We're talking about anomalies of a duration of 1/44000th of a second... your mind has enough difficulty perceiving an anomaly in a single frame of film at 1/24th... think about that.
If the anomaly were to persist across an entire track or series of tracks, consider that what you'd be hearing would not be restricted to something resembling "fuzz" in the sound... such an anomaly of sequential changes in the binary data throughout would produce entire shifts in both frequency and amplitude, and not in one part of the spectrum, but throughout the spectrum. In short, it wouldn't necessarily even remotely resemble the original recorded audio at all. It could be a garbled mess.
Incorrect. Audio transcode from CDDA to AIFF does not involve a "bounce" or resampling of the data if the resultant AIFF has been set to the same frequency and bit rate as the source.
Only when a "bounce" is performed do the inconsistencies between consumer and professional applications begin to reveal themselves as the sample & hold function then becomes critical in the resampling process that is used to transcode to a different bitrate or sampling frequency, or different compression algorithm.
Based on a comparison between production CDs and their protected AAC counterparts, I have no reason to believe Apple has gone back to the original master recordings, or to a "modern digital archive" (which, sad to say, most recording companies don't keep... in many cases they lose the multitrack masters). Radio stations and other promotional outlets also receive CD copies for their digital libraries. It would be horrendously expensive (and counterproductive in terms of generating a profit) for a 24-bit 2-track master to be shipped to Apple for every song and album they featured. At 99 cents a pop, it won't turn a profit.
Since the public doesn't have common access (e.g. through retail channels) to 24-bit master recordings, you don't really have a choice between the 16-bit CD audio that's released and the rip from CD audio that Apple uses in their AAC files. Very few if any of the tracks will have been remastered directly from 24-bit PCM. However, it's debatable as to whether or not that would actually be a good thing or a bad thing.
Consider, for example, that while AAC is well suited for the dynamic range (96dB) and amplitude resolution (65,536 values per sample) of 16-bit PCM sources, it is hardly sufficient for the dynamic range (~140dB) and amplitude resolution (16.7 million per sample) of 24-bit PCM. Much of the added benefit of 24-bit PCM is going to be lost in the process of transcoding and, depending on AAC encoder, may induce more artifaction in the AAC transcode than the 16-bit PCM source would... because the 16-bit PCM source is already going to lack amplitude values beyond the dynamic range supported by AAC.
Suffice it to say, I've tried 128Kbps and 256Kbps AAC transcodes from both professional 16- and 24-bit masters and there are mixed results... benefits and detriments on both sides...
I think (not certain) it is the publishers that do the conversion - not Apple. They send AAC files to Apple using the iTunes Producer app.
http://www.apple.com/itunes/musicmarketing/
edit: hmm, it appears they can send in lossless also.
edit: http://www.losslessaudioblog.com/2006/07/01/apple-lossless-coming-to-itunes-producer-14/
http://www.apple.com/itunes/musicmarketing/
edit: hmm, it appears they can send in lossless also.
edit: http://www.losslessaudioblog.com/2006/07/01/apple-lossless-coming-to-itunes-producer-14/