Apple Joins Nearly 100 U.S. Firms to File Legal Brief Opposing Trump's Immigration Ban

[Urban Joe]

God, are you not listening? This started with some idiot claiming that Apple was upsetting the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump. And then there are also rumours of several million illegal votes, which probably all went to Trump. (If Trump can make up **** that there several million illegal votes going to Clinton, then I can claim there are several million illegal votes going to Trump. And I'm right. It's the truth. )
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You are lying, that's all.
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Schwarzenegger has more experience than Trump. You guys should take him up on his offer to swap places.

One, The American President is not decided on popular vote majority to preserve equitable representation of State sovereignty.

Two, I am not lying or trying to lie about Christians being under admitted in many cases. http://patrioticviralnews.com/articles/obamas-bias-against-christians-revealed/

Three, It's fine to disagree/protest but nobody here in USA has a constitutional right to violence and property destruction.... wish the folks at Berkeley (and other lefties) could understand that.

 

[prowlmedia]

Did I miss your links for the "Death by xxxx", and do the firearms include police, personal protection shootings, etc? It would be great if you included links, but if there are guns possibly coming from specific countries via the airlines...I am glad for us to vet people from there more strictly. It would be irresponsible if we didn't.

Slow hand clap for the attempt to twist Dons twisted agenda. Guns don't need to come in from anywhere. You can get free semi-automatic rifles with breakfast cereal. You know who needs vetting, people dumb enough to believe that the billionaire narcissist sociopath gives a single tiny thought about any of you.

 

[Technarchy]

How many of these companies have a big stake in the H1B scab scam and this is just trying to proactively get the immigration tools in place to ward off regulation in that area in the future?

 

[Urban Joe]

[/QUOTE]How about citing a source?[/QUOTE]

http://patrioticviralnews.com/articles/obamas-bias-against-christians-revealed/

 

[steve333]

The US, with Western friends, have destroyed islamic countries. This naturally fuelled hate. Adding the serious issues of islam results in a dangerous mix. So it's good to keep the bad guys out, but it's also backwards.

What about the US also seeks forgiveness and offers deep apologies & real help to the millions of fellow people that are affected by their illegal wars?!

Those same Muslim countries all attacked Europe, forced millions to adopt their religion, and would have continued if those Muslim invaders weren't stopped by Hungary.
While I think we screwed a lot of things up, those Muslims are no innocents

 

[Urban Joe]

Those same Muslim countries all attacked Europe, forced millions to adopt their religion, and would have continued if those Muslim invaders weren't stopped by Hungary.
While I think we screwed a lot of things up, those Muslims are no innocents

Clearly History and common sense has been replaced by multiculturalism and social justice. If America and Trump is sooooo bad why is everybody complaining about not being able to get here?

 

[tgara]

Again, reading way too much into my post.

Specifically, I said:



The people in those countries practice Islam. I did not say it was a blanket ban on Islam in all countries.

BL.

More BL BS.... But whatever, Captain Walkback. Thanks for playing. We all know what you meant.

Trump himself promised to ban muslims during the campaign. Members of his team have talked about him banning muslims. Even if the ban doesn't specifically mention religion, the courts will take his comments into account when determining intent. They're not going to buy the idea of, hey it only bans countries, wink wink.

And just because something only bans some muslims but not all doesn't somehow magically make it not a muslim ban.

Apparently you don't understand how the American court system works with regard to executive orders centered on national security matters from the President. If you read the Order, you will see that it makes a strong case for restrictions based on national security, which happens to be true. Again, the order does not mention Muslims anywhere, and members of Trump's team have said all along that security and vetting needs to be more intense. National security matters are exclusively the presidents prerogative and the courts give him wide latitude to carry out that aspect of the job. Your misinformed argument to the contrary, I can virtually guarantee you that no court is going to touch that.

 

[ChrisWB]

http://patrioticviralnews.com/articles/obamas-bias-against-christians-revealed/

Nope. This is not a source. "Patriotic Viral News dot com" is not a source.

 

[pearvsapple]

Liberals = pro-censorship. Glad I jumped that ship when I could.

 

[Urban Joe]

Nope. This is not a source. "Patriotic Viral News dot com" is not a source.

Did you even bother to watch the video? Scroll up. And yes, Obama administration certainly, at times, had a huge preference for Muslims and had no problem pushing persecuted Christians to the back of the line.

State Dept. in Fiscal Year 2016 on Syrian refugee stats:

Muslims: 12,486
Christians: 68
Yazidis: 24

 

[cfedu]

With current trends, you'll remain an uninformed fool.
When was the last time you've lived in Germany?

Are you afraid of facts?
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God, are you not listening? This started with some idiot claiming that Apple was upsetting the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump. And then there are also rumours of several million illegal votes, which probably all went to Trump. (If Trump can make up **** that there several million illegal votes going to Clinton, then I can claim there are several million illegal votes going to Trump. And I'm right. It's the truth. )

Who the majority of Americans voted for has nothing to do with that statement. If Trump passes a new policy that has bipartisan support which is also supported by the vast majority of Americans by opinion polls, the election results have no bearing on the support of said policy. If Apple is is against this policy, saying "Apple was upsetting the majority of Americans" would be a correct statement.

I have no clue if the majority of American support this executive action on the "Muslim ban", but bring up the election results does not give us any answer.

 

[d0nK]

Groovy. Now how about knocking £800 off the 15" mbp with 512GB HD?

 

[Adam Warlock]

You have a very bad memory. Let me help you: Obama took all sorts of personal attacks for full 8 years, like a man. Unlike the whiny little ***** that sits in the White House right now.

But to your 'point'. So basically you're saying that a president should not be attacked, even if his/her decisions are childish, dangerous and will damage the country?

No. I wrote in a previous post that "It's one thing to disagree with policies and executive orders but quite another level what we're seeing here with open derision and such hatred it's almost frightening." It's a question of scale, you see.

Grow up.

'Sez the grownup who refers to his President as "the whiny little ***** that sits in the White House right now." Gotcha. LOL!

We're still living in a democracy with free speech and not in Führer-nation.

You wouldn't know it from the Leftists who burn cars, attack those that disagree with them, prevent people from speaking as school campuses, etc. Or did you forget about all this? Maybe I'm not the only one with a bad memory... ;-)

 

[SusanK]

Apple itself wouldn't have happened without them. Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian immigrant fleeing political persecution.

Trump did call for a boycott of Apple during the campaign. Maybe he was laying groundwork like the goofy birther movement.

 

[chr1s60]

Since when? Trump's approval rating is by far the lowest in history for an incoming president...sitting at 36% and dropping.

And we know how accurate those polls are. Just look at the massive margin of victory Hillary Clinton had in the election.

 

[AdonisSMU]

and
LOL! I think the salient point being the polls were wrong, but I digress. The real issue I was writing about are these endless attacks on the President and how they bode no good for the country. By showing it's OK to denigrate him it emboldens enemies. It's also short-sighted because when 'your guy' is eventually elected he'll be open to the same treatment.

Hillary won the popular vote by 3million votes. That's significant. No president in recent history has lost by that wide a margin and become President.

What do you mean when my guy gets into office he will be criticized? It already happened. Remember when Trump was the one denigrating the last President even going as far as to say that the President was not a citizen. Now Trump and his supporters are crying because Trump is rightfully criticized for making bad decisions and creating bad policy or at the very least being totally inept when it comes to actually governing....to the point where the first two weeks were an unmitigated disaster.

 

[tooltalk]

If it weren't for immigrants like Einstein, Wigner, von Neumann, Szilard etc, the national language of the US could have been German.

Well, English is Germanic, so that wouldn't be too bad.

 

[Glassed Silver]

It must be so nice to live in a world where any voice that disagrees with you is fundamentally wrong and should be silenced.

Don't worry, the way technology to filter content is going, in a few years you (and everyone else) will only ever have to read things you agree with and never have your perspective challenged. The left is going to love it.

That is not what I meant, but of course it's easy to read into it whatever you feel like makes for the best attack.

I simply don't want to be bothered by it at just another place, talking about Trump is now a daily exercise for me and you seem poorly reflected on the right leaning ideas. I mean, will you look at the new POTUS?

He's calling everything Fake News that doesn't agree with him.

Sometimes I just don't feel like or don't have the time to follow up on politics, because replies can get long and windey and yes, apparently you successfully baited me.

Turns out just not replying to replies, whilst slightly rude, remains the way to go.

Can't please everyone.

Glassed Silver:win

 

[jlc1978]

Those same Muslim countries all attacked Europe, forced millions to adopt their religion, and would have continued if those Muslim invaders weren't stopped by Hungary.

Wasn't it the Austrians, Holy Roman Empire, and Poland - Lithuania that stopped the Ottoman Turks at the Battle of Vienna? Much of Hungary was under Ottoman control at the time, and the Hapsburgs eventually retook it.
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Three, It's fine to disagree/protest but nobody here in USA has a constitutional right to violence and property destruction.... wish the folks at Berkeley (and other lefties) could understand that.

Those folks that took over a BLM site need to understand that as well.

 

[Snoopy4]

Can you quote me that part where Apple does not want to hire Americans? Several of my American friends who work there might disagree with you. Wanting to be able to hire anyone, based on their talent, is not the same as "not wanting to hire Americans".

They've been doing it for years. How many apple products are made in America?
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They want to hire people that they think are best for them. You reek of ignorance.

See above.

 

[jlc1978]

They've been doing it for years. How many apple products are made in America?

Apple has a long and complex supply chain, including components made in the US an shipped abroad for final assembly. Like many manufacturers even products assembled in the US such as the Mac Pro have components sourced globally. If Apple decides, for example, to assemble iPhones in the US it will also be sourced globally, and built in a high tech factory with well paid engineers and techs running it. That is the future of manufacturing in the US, not blue collar jobs you can get out of high school and make a middle class wage; those days are long gone because the only way US manufacturing can compete is with a lot of automation and very productive workers. Labor intensive manufacturing isn't coming back, unless you are making high end expensive products where skilled laborers are needed to produce world class products. Frye and Allan Edmonds can afford to sell made in USA shoes because they are ~4x, and more, expensive than their foreign made counterparts.

But that really isn't Apple's hiring priority - they need people who can design, source, program, etc. their products - a very different and more demanding skill set than working on a line; and they search the world for the best talent they can hire.

 

[Paul Dawkins]

They've been doing it for years. How many apple products are made in America?
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See above.

Your ignorance disgusts me.

 

[DaveOP]

They've been doing it for years. How many apple products are made in America?
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See above.

This has nothing to do with not wanting to hire Americans. We do not have the capacity and efficiency that other countries do for manufacturing, nor the labor costs.

DESIGNED IN CALIFORNIA BY APPLE.

 

[whitesand]

Actually, it was not a majority of Americans agreeing - it was a minority. So you are wrong from the start. Apple is also not telling its customers they are stupid, it tells its customers that they have voted for someone who has no experience at being a president, but has the strong believe that everything he does is right. Because he says so. It's the truth. And that's a very bad combination for a president.

I would say that if Trump gets a few kicks in the backside just at the beginning of the presidency, when he does things that are (1) not thought through and (2) illegal, that can only help him. (Note that he has already a preliminary injunction against him, and the decision was made based on the fact that his actions are highly damaging for the states suing him, and that there is very strong reason on about seven different grounds that the final judgement will be against him). So Apple is very much helping make America great. Not grate.

It will come out in time that it was indeed a large majority.....Much more than 3 million illegals voted...This is old news and has been going on a long time.

 

[Paul Dawkins]

This has nothing to do with not wanting to hire Americans. We do not have the capacity and efficiency that other countries do for manufacturing, nor the labor costs.

DESIGNED IN CALIFORNIA BY APPLE.

The key point is that as an employer I will hire people that are best for the job or people who have highest potential. I don't care if I end up with 10 white males or 10 black women or 10 jews. Business doesn't care about things like nationality, because it doesn't help business in any way.

I'm completely sure that all competent Americans are being hired, because some company somewhere sees them as best for the job.