Apple Joins Nearly 100 U.S. Firms to File Legal Brief Opposing Trump's Immigration Ban

[gnasher729]

It is a 90 day ban on Terrorist countries, NOT Muslims. READ THE BILL>

Also, it is the same ban Obama did several years ago. Trump took Obama's bill added Syria to it and activated.

You are lying. Here, I said it: You are lying. Obama had some visa applications done a bit more careful. Trump stops everyone from entering the USA - including people who have a home in the USA, have a job in the USA, and left the country for a winter holiday and couldn't return to their home and job. Including some pilots from Iraq who were invited by the Pentagon to a training course in the USA.

 

[iMaven]

So, let me get this right...

The travel ban only affects Muslims from those 7 countries and doesn't apply to anyone else (non-Muslims) from those 7 countries?

 

[TechGeek76]

The executive order does not do that at all.

If it's not clear by now, these people have some sinister agenda, I have no doubt. They sit and claim things that never happened, never will happen or they just flat out lie to further their agenda.

 

[MrX8503]

The executive order does not do that at all.

I haven't seen people turned away based on religion or race. The ban is on the countries in the list.

However, the ban has affected green card holders and dual citizens.

 

[Urban Joe]

We also do not have a Constitutional right to refuse someone based on colour of skin, or religious beliefs. And we most certainly do not have the right to refuse someone who is already a resident or citizen of this country based on religious belief or colour of skin...

.. all of which this ban is doing.

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Time to call you out as well.

Provide a source saying that the POTUS can do this based on colour of skin, or religious belief.

BL.

Nice, based on your logic we would never be able to ban anybody from a Muslim country. You must be fronting for somebody or getting paid to spew disinformation.

 

[milo]

Well, 1) it isn't unconstitutional (unless you're aware of a recent SCOTUS ruling on this that's I'm not) and 2) Trump's position (which isn't unique to Trump) is that the vetting process for issuing visas to these countries isn't sufficient to ensure the security of this country from those traveling on those visas. Immigration, as the courts pointed out during the State of Arizona's attempt to crack down on immigration, is solely in the purview of the Federal government.

I was responding to a comment saying that people who oppose the ban favor "uncontrolled immigration". And so far the courts haven't been very supportive of the ban. We'll see if they end up finding it constitutional or not. SCOTUS may not even take it if they are still at eight justices and expect a tie.

 

[MrX8503]

So, let me get this right...

The travel ban only affects Muslims from those 7 countries and doesn't apply to anyone else (non-Muslims) from those 7 countries?

As I understand it the ban affects everyone from those 7 countries except US citizens without dual citizenship.

If you have a green card or you're a US citizen and a citizen of those seven countries, you're barred from entering the US.

 

[bradl]

Nice, based on your logic we would never be able to ban anybody from a Muslim country. You must be fronting for somebody or getting paid to spew disinformation.

Bold for emphasis.

We couldn't do that if we tried.

Banning someone from a Muslim country constitutes an establishment of religion, which violates the 1A.

You can not bar anyone based on religion. the 1A specifically prevents that.

BL.

 

[Urban Joe]

Bold for emphasis.

We couldn't do that if we tried.

Banning someone from a Muslim country constitutes an establishment of religion, which violates the 1A.

You can not bar anyone based on religion. the 1A specifically prevents that.

BL.

Obama had no problem giving Muslims preference over Christians. Where was the outcry from the left ??

 

[bradl]

Obama had no problem giving Muslims preference over Christians. Where was the outcry from the left ??

Were Christians denied entry into the US from these 7, let alone any country in the world, or denied their constitutional right to freedom of religion?

BTW: Nice goal post shift.

BL.

 

[jlc1978]

a US citizen and a citizen of those seven countries, you're barred from entering the US.

Which, I believe, is an unconstitutional action, based on due process and equal protection clauses at a minimum. If you think a citizen violated the law, arrest them upon entry but you can't bar entry.

However, IIRC, the ban did not extend to US dual citizens but to other dual citizens.
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Obama had no problem giving Muslims preference over Christians. Where was the outcry from the left ??

How about citing a source?

 

[symphara]

There's really only one source for lies, every day without fail: the Trump administration.

Right...

 

[0098386]

Good, this is the right move. The more I see Apple supporting good movements like this - the longer I stick around on iOS whilst Android tempts me over. Small things make the difference for me. I'm happy knowing my money goes to supporting good stuff, helps me sleep a bit better at night as it's almost got a charity-donating feel to it.

Silly move and symptomatic of Apple's exaggerated sense of its own importance. Trump had a good majority of americans agreeing with him so Apple is now telling most of its customers they are stupid.

Should anyone actually believe that- they would be stupid.

 

[tgara]

Immigration and National security are mutually exclusive. You can have both without them interfering with eachother. our idiot of a POTUS has now crossed the line that separates the two, basing it not only on colour of skin, but possibly on type of religion the people in those countries practice.

More nonsense.

Here's the text of the EO. Point out to me specifically where it says the ban is based on skin color or religion. I'll wait.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states

The largest Muslim populations in the world are Indonesia, Pakistan, and India. If it was a ban on Muslims, why are none of those countries are on the list?

 

[Naimfan]

I'm glad Apple joined the brief.

 

[symphara]

Of all the arguments, this is the most disgusting one. Everyone knows that Trump wants to keep muslims out. And everyone knows that he can't, because the US constitution doesn't allow discriminations on religious grounds. That's why he is forced to ban everyone, including Christians, Hindus, and everyone else.

Yes, attack intentions, not the actual order. That's not disgusting at all, ad hominems are delightful.

 

[bradl]

More nonsense.

Here's the text of the EO. Point out to me specifically where it says the ban is based on skin color or religion. I'll wait.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states

The largest Muslim populations in the world are Indonesia, Pakistan, and India. If it was a ban on Muslims, why are none of those countries are on the list?

Again, reading way too much into my post.

Specifically, I said:

possibly on type of religion the people in those countries practice.

The people in those countries practice Islam. I did not say it was a blanket ban on Islam in all countries.

BL.

 

[theelysium]

Actually, it was not a majority of Americans agreeing - it was a minority. So you are wrong from the start. Apple is also not telling its customers they are stupid, it tells its customers that they have voted for someone who has no experience at being a president, but has the strong believe that everything he does is right. Because he says so. It's the truth. And that's a very bad combination for a president.

I would say that if Trump gets a few kicks in the backside just at the beginning of the presidency, when he does things that are (1) not thought through and (2) illegal, that can only help him. (Note that he has already a preliminary injunction against him, and the decision was made based on the fact that his actions are highly damaging for the states suing him, and that there is very strong reason on about seven different grounds that the final judgement will be against him). So Apple is very much helping make America great. Not grate.

No one has experience being president until you are president. Obama did not have experience. He was a community organizer and an absent senator for a year. How is that experience for President?

Do some research on the previous job experience ex-presidents have had; don't use a small window of time to judge. You will find more business men than you think running our country. You will also find that most senators do not become president more congressmen do.

 

[milo]

Here's the text of the EO. Point out to me specifically where it says the ban is based on skin color or religion. I'll wait.

Trump himself promised to ban muslims during the campaign. Members of his team have talked about him banning muslims. Even if the ban doesn't specifically mention religion, the courts will take his comments into account when determining intent. They're not going to buy the idea of, hey it only bans countries, wink wink.

And just because something only bans some muslims but not all doesn't somehow magically make it not a muslim ban.

 

[farmboy]

TeckGeek76: Yawn...pretty sure if you're not a legal resident, you have no rights here. But hey, let's make stuff up to defend your position, right?

Maybe you should go home and take nap if you're tired, because you just keep digging deeper. Undocumented immigrants DO have legal rights under the U.S. Constitution and federal statute.

As far back as 1896, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that:

“The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. It says: ’Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law.’ These provisions are universal in their application to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or nationality; and the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws.” 2

All persons in the U.S., therefore, have constitutional rights. Among these are the right to equal protection of the law and the right to due process.

 

[Speedy2]

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LOL! I think the salient point being the polls were wrong, but I digress. The real issue I was writing about are these endless attacks on the President and how they bode no good for the country. By showing it's OK to denigrate him it emboldens enemies. It's also short-sighted because when 'your guy' is eventually elected he'll be open to the same treatment.

You have a very bad memory. Let me help you: Obama took all sorts of personal attacks for full 8 years, like a man. Unlike the whiny little ***** that sits in the White House right now.

But to your 'point'. So basically you're saying that a president should not be attacked, even if his/her decisions are childish, dangerous and will damage the country?
Grow up. We're still living in a democracy with free speech and not in Führer-nation.
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Guys, just look at what the poor peaceful refugees are doing in Europe right now. There is much more than those high profile attacks you've seen on TV. There are no go zones, there are actual sharia patrols, there are groups of young men beating people up for fun, there are dramatic increases in criminality, there is an actual censorship in place (e.g. on Facebook).

Even a rich first world country can only take so many immigrants before it all goes down like a house of cards.

When was the last time you've lived in Europe?
There are no "no-go zones", no sharia patrols (there were five guys in one small city who tried it once and they got arrested), there are no dramatic increases in criminality. Unfortunately people get beaten up for fun everywhere in the world, and luckily the perpretrators end up in prison in the vast majority of cases. At least in the developed world.

 

[usarioclave]

Non-citizens have no right of entry into the US, period. As it says somewhere on the form/visa, a visa does not guarantee you entry into the US; your entry is up to the discretion of the ICE person/people in question.

By contrast, green card holders actually have legal rights. In fact, you could have a green card and no valid passport from any country and come back to the US. I'm not sure under what circumstances a green card holder can be refused entry, although I've heard some long-time green card holders have been given a hard time by ICE on the way in.

 

[gnasher729]

I think i know my history pretty well. Before Hitler rose to power didn't he send out his "storm troopers" so single out people who didn't have the socialist beliefs of hitler with force and violence again free speech?

I think you need to re-learn a bit about history. One thing the "National Socialist German Worker's Party" was certainly not was socialist.

In 1933, the Social Democratic Party of Germany was the only group voting against Hitler. Three months later they were declared an "enemy of the people and the state", social democratic politicians were removed from their jobs and some moved to concentration camps.

 

[sk1wbw]

THIS.
Thank you. Someone with a brain.

It's hypocrisy to vote for someone who won't let this happen here? If THERE is no nice, which it isn't, why would you want to import THERE into HERE?

 

[gnasher729]

The majority did vote for Trump (electoral college voters) just not the majority of citizens. It really depends how how it was worded.

God, are you not listening? This started with some idiot claiming that Apple was upsetting the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump. And then there are also rumours of several million illegal votes, which probably all went to Trump. (If Trump can make up **** that there several million illegal votes going to Clinton, then I can claim there are several million illegal votes going to Trump. And I'm right. It's the truth. )
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Obama had no problem giving Muslims preference over Christians. Where was the outcry from the left ??

You are lying, that's all.
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No one has experience being president until you are president. Obama did not have experience. He was a community organizer and an absent senator for a year. How is that experience for President?

Schwarzenegger has more experience than Trump. You guys should take him up on his offer to swap places.