CWallace
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At which point in time did Apple “routinely” create breakthrough products?
You need to put on your Jobs-colored glasses to see it. 😛 😉
At which point in time did Apple “routinely” create breakthrough products?
Depends on how you mean it. Cell-phone PDAs existed before iPhones. I had one. But, the iPhone was a sweet combination of easy-to-use and much more reliable H/W S/W. Steve certainly had his RDF going on full, but, the product sold itself. Except for the AT&T tie-in part.At which point in time did Apple “routinely” create breakthrough products?
MacBook Pro is a product that many people want, and/or need (no one needs an Apple Watch - completely different dynamic). They will still want them at 30% more, they will just skirmish more about the price so of course sales goes down. But suggesting that it kills the product is hyperbole.
Sure. But people’s recollection of Apple’s breakthroughs back in the day tends to be compressed. iPod and iPhone were 6 years apart. Which breakthroughs happened between those? Maybe iPod Mini could be said to be a breakthrough.Depends on how you mean it. Cell-phone PDAs existed before iPhones. I had one. But, the iPhone was a sweet combination of easy-to-use and much more reliable H/W S/W. Steve certainly had his RDF going on full, but, the product sold itself. Except for the AT&T tie-in part.
Apple was, in some sense, late-to-market for almost everything. But, first-to-market for user-friendly versions of some of those things.
Which rumours is that? Latest rumour is that Apple will skip M6 Pro/Max and go directly to M7, for the revamped top-end MacBook Pro, because that’s where the jump in AI performance will take place. That goes directly against your argument - Apple is speeding up the high-end, not slowing down.And I think the signs are there already.
According to latest rumors Apple seems to be planning to revamp the entry model of the MacBook Pro line. Not the whole lineup.
Apple's memory and storage were already absurdly overpriced.This isn’t a money grab. Apple held out longer than most companies. You want to place blame, blame AI.
Which rumours is that?
You answered your own question
No, it illustrates a common misunderstanding of market capitalization vs free cash.Why is the company using ram prices to gouge its users when Apple is a $4 trillion company. It’s just the excuse to raise the prices and it’s unacceptable and disrespectful.
I’m not sure why you believe that article supports your statement? This rumoured entry MacBook Pro is supposed to come alongside the new touchscreen high-end versions.The latest Bloomberg report:
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Apple Readies New iPad Pro, Redesigned Entry MacBook Pro for 2027
Apple Inc. is preparing an upgraded iPad Pro line and a redesigned entry-level MacBook Pro for next year, adding to a slate of several other major new products planned for the iPhone’s 20th anniversary year.www.bloomberg.com
Apple’s responsibility is to earn as much money as possible. It doesn’t matter how much money they already have. What matters is what the price needs to be given the situation, to earn as much as possible in total. Not per machine of course. The trick is finding the right balance between high margin and high revenue.Why is the company using ram prices to gouge it’s users when Apple is a $4 trillion company. It’s just the excuse to raise the prices and it’s unacceptable and disrespectful.
...and consumer stupidity....The trick is finding the right balance between high margin and high revenue.
No it isn’t.Of course it is. It’s always been a balancing act with Apple. Their brand image is based somewhat on exclusivity and being too premium for some others to afford.
If everyone has a Mac Neo and can afford a Mac Neo, it loses all lustre and appeal.
I’m not sure why you believe that article supports your statement? This rumoured entry MacBook Pro is supposed to come alongside the new touchscreen high-end versions.
No it isn’t.
You're not understanding what I mean. Prices are a suggestion. You can position yourself any way you want, but the customer has to validate it.Whatever you say. Apple absolutely positions itself as a premium brand and you’re kind of absurd for suggesting otherwise.
Yes, by making sure that there is more free cash for Apple by leaving less free cash for consumers. And yes, I know what free cash flow is. Apple has always been a premium brand, and just when they were finally becoming competitively affordable in the current inflation and memory-crunch context ($599 Mac Mini, $599 Neo), Apple went ahead and reset themselves back into being expensive. It’s no big deal and I don’t judge them for it.No, it illustrates a common misunderstanding of market capitalization vs free cash.
The mods deleted the post before, but this actually isn't true anymore. Samsung charges the same prices as Apple. Dell charges the same prices as Apple. THERE IS NO MORE APPLE TAX.Yes, by making sure that there is more free cash for Apple by leaving less free cash for consumers. And yes, I know what free cash flow is. Apple has always been a premium brand, and just when they were finally becoming competitively affordable in the current inflation and memory-crunch context ($599 Mac Mini, $599 Neo), Apple went ahead and reset themselves back into being expensive. It’s no big deal and I don’t judge them for it.
The mods deleted the post before, but this actually isn't true anymore. Samsung charges the same prices as Apple. Dell charges the same prices as Apple. THERE IS NO MORE APPLE TAX.
There just isn't a tax any more for going Apple. Increasingly it is becoming a bargain...
Tim Cook gave everyone a few days to place orders at the old prices. Congrats to everyone here who acted on his warning!
Apple is no longer able to absorb the increased prices and will need to pass some of the cost on to consumers.
You’re right. I’ve noticed it as well. However I just see it as Samsung raising their prices beyond what they deserve to (as Apple has “earned it” better than the others have). And I say that as someone who used Android smartphones for 10 years. But this is true. I think it’s also the reason why Apple’s supply/demand imbalance become too much for them recently when everything was flying off the shelves, being perceived as a genuine bargain for consumers. Now it’s more or less back to the way it was, which is slightly expensive for what you get and more premium, but still worth it for many (we will all get used to it).The mods deleted the post before, but this actually isn't true anymore. Samsung charges the same prices as Apple. Dell charges the same prices as Apple. THERE IS NO MORE APPLE TAX.
For instance, M5 Max Macbook Pro 16", 64 GB RAM, 2TB SSD, max cores you can get is $5300.
But Lenovo has an equivalent Lenovo Legion 16" 7 Pro with an RTX5090 and 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 1600p OLED, etc., that costs, currently (it keeps going up) costs $6200!
Okay so what about phones?
Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra costs $1299 which is $100 more than the same as the iPhone 17 Pro Max at 256 GB for each.
There just isn't a tax any more for going Apple. Increasingly it is becoming a bargain...
You’re right. I’ve noticed it as well. However I just see it as Samsung raising their prices beyond what they deserve to (as Apple has “earned it” better than the others have). And I say that as someone who used Android smartphones for 10 years.