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Apple Launches 8 GB iPhone 5c in 16 New European Countries [Updated]

Well...

After my rant, if we are going to be honest:

The decision to sell an 8gb iPhone is bad, but at least Apple makes up for it with an amazing cloud system (iTunes match, etc.) so for those people maybe it isn't that bad.

Still, Apple should be about pursuing the best.
 
cdmoore74 said:
What a failure. Still expensive with only 8 gigs. Why not just chop the price of the current 16 gig model instead of being so greedy?
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Maybe Apple have access to storage figures on phones and realise there are a large number of 16gb devices where less than 8gb is used - then they produce a phone to service this market.

Yes it's overpriced, but most people are getting them 'free' on 2 year contract so does it really matter - no one is being forced to buy this phone.
 
Really?? EUR 499,- for a nearly two year old phone in a plastic case with only 8gigs??

No wonder nobody is buying this phone! Apple, you should be ashamed to even offer this thing at these prices!

At todays currency exchange rates EUR 499 is USD 690, nearly the same for a brand new iphone 5s with 16gb in the USA.

Nothing else to say 😡
 
spyd4r said:
Who wants a 8GB Phone? Seriously.. OS + a few Photos and Music.. and it's over.
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Yep. 16gb is even a bit close for comfort. I always go 32gb. And that's even with me using a fair share of cloud services: iTunes Match, Spotify, iCloud, Flickr.

An 8gb phone would leave you about 4GB for apps, videos and photos - not to mention any locally stored music and the biggest culprit - games. Good luck updating to iOS8 people who buy this! The download file and install will probably demand 2gb free space.
 
When the original 4GB iPhone was a slow seller out if the gate jobs had enough sense to ice it. So I find it odd Tim Cook & his inner circle can't take a lesson from history. But even still, from a business revenue perspective why does Apple want to market something that so limits the # of Apps & videos one has on their phone (I'll exempt music b/c of streaming). 8GB is stunningly small even for the most casual user. 16GB can take some content management skill. Not sure how 8GB makes for a great user experience. I assume newbies will buy w/o realizing how small 8GB is.

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2010mini said:
ITT

People who still think the iPhone 5c was a flop. Even though it has outsold every android flagship model.
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It's considered a flop because it undersold Apple's own sales expectations & didn't add significant NEW users, just replacements for older iPhones.
 
2010mini said:
ITT

People who still think the iPhone 5c was a flop. Even though it has outsold every android flagship model.
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This...

I am amazed by all the ranting against the 5c. The only phone that sells better than the 5c is the 5s (at least in the US an earlier report showed the 5s as #1 and 5c as #2). So yes there are techies that want to carry 256gig of stuff with them on their phone, but there are many people (my wife as just one example) that uses the phone as a phone, an email reader and a browser primarily. for them 8gig is overkill especially if they are using icloud and imatch so tht pictures and music dont take up space.

I would love to see a bigger price difference with the 5c being cheaper to attract more folks in the lower end of the market, but clearly the problem is not the storage when this "year old technology wrapped in plastic" is beating the pants off the competition.
 
rahhb.riley said:
I don't give a ***** if you or anyone thinks I'm carrying last years model. I don't carry an iPhone based on what others think. I carry because iPhone, iOS, the ecosystem, and the company are top notch, second to none, and fulfill what I want in tech and follow a philosophy of far beyond just making technology. My personal choice of a 5c is because I like it. I don't feel like I need to justify the reasons I chose it over 5s either. My choice, I'm happy.
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I didn't have you in mind when writing this post 😉
 
This is really pathetic, for the price higher than US price of ip 5c 32 gb (tax included) - who the f... Apple thinks will buy 8gigs phone in 2014? This is not ridiculous, this is ofending.. WAKE up Apple, stop being so greedy.
 
Kebabselector said:
Maybe Apple have access to storage figures on phones and realise there are a large number of 16gb devices where less than 8gb is used - then they produce a phone to service this market.

Yes it's overpriced, but most people are getting them 'free' on 2 year contract so does it really matter - no one is being forced to buy this phone.
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Can confirm, never use more than 5 GB.
 
cdmoore74 said:
What a failure. Still expensive with only 8 gigs. Why not just chop the price of the current 16 gig model instead of being so greedy?
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That's Apple's arrogance for you. God forbid they would admit that they priced something too high and adjust prices like most manufacturers do, instead they try to workaround by introducing lower storage products
 
isil said:
The 50 bucks price difference makes sense, and here is why:

Now the consumer thinking is 'the 16GB model gives me 8GB of extra space for only 50 bucks extra'.

Exactly the way you want it as a seller.

Introducing the 8GB model for that price makes the 16GB model seem more valuable and that makes perfect sense.
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Theoretically yes. If they had introduced it along 16GB and 32GB. Now, the customer may as well be thinking:
- (Apple reseller) - If that's too much, then we have the new, cheaper 8GB version of 5C for this completely absurd price..
- (customer) - "$753 for 8GB and $825 for 16GB? This company has some steep pricing, I'm going to buy a cheaper Nokia Lumia..."
These are the prices for Poland. And the funny thing is that iPhones are roughly $130 cheaper in the Czech Republic (right next door). Another funny thing - when receiving products ordered from Polish online Apple store one may notice they arrive from Czech Republic. The mysterious ways of Apple pricing politics...

Besides, 5C is supposed to be the cheaper iPhone, targeted at those who could buy a Lumia or Samsung (models "below" galaxy). With those prices Apple won't win any hearts/wallets in Poland.
 
Parasprite said:
Can confirm, never use more than 5 GB.
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Nevertheless the numbers (among other things) sell products. My girlfriend can do just fine with her 16GB 4S just as my mom with her HTC with 16GB. But when asked if they prefer 8 or 16GB they choose the latter. The higher number win. So it's obvious for me, even from a marketing point of view, that Apple should offer more - premium brand, "premium" storage - no scrimping on storage.
Because the fact is that this 8GB 5C is still a lot of money (especially in Poland - $752 with $891 being an average monthly wage here). So sure, many people will do just fine with 8GB of storage, but when you're asked to pay that much money for a supposedly premium product and you're getting poor 8GB then you're feeling ripped off.
So that's that. I love Apple's ecosystem, their design and so on. But their pricing on storage is absurd. It's as if one is buying a Rolls Royce with a $500,000 tag that comes with a 10 litre fuel tank - maybe R&R data shows that most people just use their cars to drive short distances to work and back home, so that capacity will most customers just fine. And if they wanna go further... well there are gas stations every couple of miles.
 
So, the 5C with 8GB costs 549€ in the German Apple Store, even though I can get the 16GB model elsewhere for over 100€ less?! That is just stupid.
 
The cost of RAM must have been a deal breaker.
How nice of Apple to reduce the excess RAM by 8GB and let them have the savings. I am sure they will feel fortunate to use an iPhone with 8GB RAM.
If they would ever need more memory, they can simply slide a micro SD card into their Android phone and keep their iPhone as a souvenir.
Apple, you rock!! 😀
 
EwanMcTeagle said:
Nevertheless the numbers (among other things) sell products. My girlfriend can do just fine with her 16GB 4S just as my mom with her HTC with 16GB. But when asked if they prefer 8 or 16GB they choose the latter. The higher number win. So it's obvious for me, even from a marketing point of view, that Apple should offer more - premium brand, "premium" storage - no scrimping on storage.
Because the fact is that this 8GB 5C is still a lot of money (especially in Poland - $752 with $891 being an average monthly wage here). So sure, many people will do just fine with 8GB of storage, but when you're asked to pay that much money for a supposedly premium product and you're getting poor 8GB then you're feeling ripped off.
So that's that. I love Apple's ecosystem, their design and so on. But their pricing on storage is absurd. It's as if one is buying a Rolls Royce with a $500,000 tag that comes with a 10 litre fuel tank - maybe R&R data shows that most people just use their cars to drive short distances to work and back home, so that capacity will most customers just fine. And if they wanna go further... well there are gas stations every couple of miles.
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I wasn't saying it was justified (I think their choice is really quite bizarre), just that it was likely to be true. If you have an iPhone with only few albums, a handful of apps, and no videos that is mostly used for web browsing, texting/phone calls, and an occasional game, that 8 GB will be plenty.

EwanMcTeagle said:
Nevertheless the numbers (among other things) sell products. My girlfriend can do just fine with her 16GB 4S just as my mom with her HTC with 16GB. But when asked if they prefer 8 or 16GB they choose the latter. The higher number win. So it's obvious for me, even from a marketing point of view, that Apple should offer more - premium brand, "premium" storage - no scrimping on storage.
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Of course they do, but price and need will influence that a bit. If I were to somehow have an iPhone that had 1024 GB of space it wouldn't really be any more "premium" to me over a 8 or 16 GB one other than being more expensive (a lot in this case). You still get a "premium" iPhone when you buy an 8 GB model because of all the other things it comes with. Heck, my old flip phone had a microSD slot that I stuck 16 GB into because I needed more than the 512 MB it gave me, but I never managed to fill it more than a GB or two.

I should emphasize that I still think releasing an 8 GB phone after the fact was a really bizarre idea. I'm starting to wonder if they got a huge deal on their 8 GB chips or something.
 
Cuban Missles said:
This...

I am amazed by all the ranting against the 5c. The only phone that sells better than the 5c is the 5s (at least in the US an earlier report showed the 5s as #1 and 5c as #2). So yes there are techies that want to carry 256gig of stuff with them on their phone, but there are many people (my wife as just one example) that uses the phone as a phone, an email reader and a browser primarily. for them 8gig is overkill especially if they are using icloud and imatch so tht pictures and music dont take up space.

I would love to see a bigger price difference with the 5c being cheaper to attract more folks in the lower end of the market, but clearly the problem is not the storage when this "year old technology wrapped in plastic" is beating the pants off the competition.
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There's not much relevance in stating US numbers since this is about a European release. In Europe, where the phone is going to be sold, the numbers don't come close to mirroring the US numbers.

Without subsidy, the value proposition for the 5C is not that high. Consensus on this forum seems to be the 5C is not priced to sell. I agree.
 
MacVista said:
The cost of RAM must have been a deal breaker.
How nice of Apple to reduce the excess RAM by 8GB and let them have the savings. I am sure they will feel fortunate to use an iPhone with 8GB RAM.
If they would ever need more memory, they can simply slide a micro SD card into their Android phone and keep their iPhone as a souvenir.
Apple, you rock!! 😀
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Actually the iPhone only has 1 GB of RAM.

I'll let you figure the rest out on your own.
 
2010mini said:
People who still think the iPhone 5c was a flop. Even though it has outsold every android flagship model.
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That's not difficult, since there are many flagships sharing the Android market. For instance, the 5C did not outsell Samsung's flagship duo (GS4 and Note 3) combined.

Also, the 5C was new, and would be expected to do well against the half year old GS4... the same as how the GS4 had earlier outsold the older iPhone 5.

Cuban Missles said:
I am amazed by all the ranting against the 5c. The only phone that sells better than the 5c is the 5s (at least in the US an earlier report showed the 5s as #1 and 5c as #2).
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Look closer at the charts.

The new 5C outsold the older GS4 on AT&T and Sprint, but not on Verizon and TMobile.

Even on the first two carriers, it only outsold the GS4 for a month or two while the 5C was brand new. Then the older GS4 overtook it again.

As for being called a "flop", I agree that wasn't really fair. However, wasn't it because it didn't do well in places like China? After all, doing well during the US debut is pretty much a given.
 
isil said:
The 50 bucks price difference makes sense, and here is why:
Now the consumer thinking is 'the 16GB model gives me 8GB of extra space for only 50 bucks extra'.
Exactly the way you want it as a seller.
Introducing the 8GB model for that price makes the 16GB model seem more valuable and that makes perfect sense.
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Which is exactly the same as doubling from 16 to 32GB for $100 extra, but twice as much as doubling from 32 to 64GB for $100, and 4X as much as going from 64 to 128GB for the same $100, so I'm not sure that logic was used to determine the retail price of that lower priced 5C.

But I do wonder how many extra sales Apple hopes to drum up with this strategy.
 
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