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Apple Launches 8 GB iPhone 5c, Relaunches 16 GB iPad 4
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i will try to say this as politely as possible but it seems quite hard for you to understand that i (and others here btw) are expressing our pov.
but you do a marvelous job of misunderstanding and misquoting me. i said i wish apple would offer a more future proof storage. which according to you is not what apple is about. maybe you remember a 50 gig imac in 2006 because i sure as hell dont.
again i never argued against tiered versions of the iphone. where do you get these ideas?
and are you still under the illusion im blaming apple for peoples purchasing decisions (me, my mom, sister or random stranger)? im saying i think an 8 gig smartphone should not be released in this day and age for these kinds of prices and no matter what apples website says (hell it once said their maps was the most beautiful, powerful mapping service ever) is going to change that.
seriously you cant even make your mind up about that and you are taking part in this discussion?
yes the 5c is a better deal than the 4s. neither is a good deal though
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You say: 8GB is too small in this day and age.
I say: Buy a 16GB phone or larger.
If neither the 4S or the 5C is a good deal... then buy the 5S and be done with it.
That's what I've been saying since page one, post #29... you can always go up in the Apple product line. User "MacFather" had the same reaction as you... "8GB? Seriously?"
Yesterday the smallest phone Apple made was the 8GB iPhone 4S. Today you can also get an 8GB iPhone 5C
But no one has to buy either of those. Larger phones are, and have always been, available for purchase.
Look... I understand what you're saying... 8GB sucks... and iPhones should come with a minimum of 16GB.
Then again... Apple has to make their flagship products attractive too. Something to aspire to. It's not only the faster processor and better camera... the flagship iPhone also has more storage options.
Maybe when the flagship iPhone starts at 32GB... the lower-end iPhone will get 16GB automatically. We'll have to revisit this when that day comes.
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could have fooled me. its been back and forth all day.
so basically its be friends with the ugly girls to look better? well im not a fan of that strategy.
a) i find this a ridiculous limitation and b) i find 8 gig even more ridiculous and should be off limits almost 7 years since it was first available in the first iphone. every other part of the first gen would be deemed laughable today but apple still hangs on to this chip which of course make even less sense when the camera takes much larger pictures.
i thought apple was all about bringing technology forward ie getting rid of floppy drives, dvd drives, adding firewire, thunderbolt etc but an 8 gig chip is what they cant let go off and makes their whole pricing structure work you say.
i hope that day comes next fall but with this "update" im even less hopeful.
btw i own a 5s but leading up to the release of the 5c i was hoping it would be interesting enough (price as well) for me to at least consider it but well.
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If 8GB is too small... don't buy an 8GB.
If you plan on taking a lot of pictures... don't buy an 8GB.
If you want to shoot a lot of HD movies... don't buy an 8GB.
If you have a huge music collection... don't buy an 8GB.
8GB is not a "ridiculous limitation" since you're not actually limited by it. You've always had other options.
Unfortunately... you can't buy the cheapest iPhone and have such perks as huge storage capacity.
But, luckily, Apple offers better models in larger capacities.
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Apple IS bringing technology forward. You own the iPhone 5S. You know it has the fastest processor Apple has ever put in a mobile device. You know it has the best camera Apple has ever sold. You know things like TouchID are amazing.
Apple's flagship iPhone is designed to showcase Apple's technology.
The older iPhones aren't for that. They are for a different kind of customer... someone who doesn't need the latest and greatest.
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its not about wanting to do. its that you cant use the device to its potential because of this limitation. and write dont buy it as often as you want. it seems like the only answer you have.
they arent bringing technology forward if they cant let go of the 8 gig chip. you yourself hammer on about its importance in the pricing structure which keeps apple firmly on its heels. toss the chip out out like jobs did with the old macs on his return. move forward. make something better.
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The problem I have (aside from the price) is that the phone is targeted at 'emerging markets' and first-time smartphone users. They won't realize that the phone's capacity is too small until they are outside the return window.
he covered that before. it would of course be the fault of the ignorance of the buyer
If someone bought anything other than the flagship iPhone... they shouldn't be upset that it can't do everything.
Storage isn't a mystery. The more you have... the more stuff you can save on your phone. It's pretty clear.
Nobody held a gun to their head and made them buy an 8GB iPhone. There were other iPhones available when they made the purchase.
You're right... 8 GB sucks. That's why it was always reserved for the bottom-end iPhone model. Only yesterday was 8GB available in the 2nd tier model as well.
The flagship iPhone always has the latest and greatest... and is available in 16GB to 64GB.
If you're worried about limiting potential... you should only buy flagship iPhones.
by always you mean since 2008 since it was originally released in 4 and 8 gig and then the 16 gig was released.
i agree keep the latest and greatest in the flagship just dont keep a chip from last decade in a newly released phone.
there are enough ways to differentiate (battery life, screen size, memory, processor, touch id, etc etc) between version than being stuck in 2007 land else you can keep on pasting your answers for years to come because they will always be "as true" as they are now.
The "entry-level" iPhone has been 8GB for many years. This isn't new.
What is new is that you can now get 8GB in the "mid-range" iPhone as well.
You're right... by the time you realize you don't have enough storage... it's too late.
Then again... you chose the smallest cheapest iPhone available. You shouldn't be too upset by your decision.
As per my previous reply, you were rightthey changed the price to $529. But check it out now, back to $449 again!
Get it before they change their mind again!!
Yes... thank you for the correction.
It's up to Apple to decide what storage SKUs they offer.
And it's up to you to decide which model is right for you.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE STUCK IN 2007 LAND !!!
If you see an 8GB iPhone on the shelf... RUN AWAY FROM IT! AHHHHH!!!!
Yes... I wish all iPhones came with at least 16GB standard.
But until that day... and until we see a MacRumors article announcing the abolishment of 8GB iPhones... we're gonna have to let this go.
On a side note... I don't know why we're having this much discussion about 8GB iPhones anyway.
The best-selling iPhone model today is the 16GB iPhone 5S
Last year the best-selling iPhone model was the 16GB iPhone 5
And the year before that the best-selling iPhone model was the 16GB iPhone 4S
Do you see a trend? It appears that 16GB models have made up the vast majority of iPhone sales for quite a while.
The 8GB models barely register. It seems most people are already avoiding 8GB like the plague
Sure. I'm not saying that carriers shouldn't get a discount for doing bulk purchase deals.
But why is the difference in price between the 8GB and 16GB model only £40 at retail, yet (apparently) around £133 for carriers.
Apple are losing out here. A lot of people don't want to sign up for a 24-month mobile contract, especially at the low and mid-tiers. They are losing sales to Android because their retail pricing is uncompetitive. (I'm talking about the 5c, not the 5s which rightly commands a premium price)
16GB is bad enough 8GB is a joke. Even four and a half years ago I went with 32GB because 16GB was questionable let alone 8GB.
Finally! It was ridiculous to try and get $399 out of such an old device, always should have been the iPad 4.
Yes... thank you for the correction.
It's up to Apple to decide what storage SKUs they offer.
And it's up to you to decide which model is right for you.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE STUCK IN 2007 LAND !!!
If you see an 8GB iPhone on the shelf... RUN AWAY FROM IT! AHHHHH!!!!
Yes... I wish all iPhones came with at least 16GB standard.
But until that day... and until we see a MacRumors article announcing the abolishment of 8GB iPhones... we're gonna have to let this go.
On a side note... I don't know why we're having this much discussion about 8GB iPhones anyway.
The best-selling iPhone model today is the 16GB iPhone 5S
Last year the best-selling iPhone model was the 16GB iPhone 5
And the year before that the best-selling iPhone model was the 16GB iPhone 4S
Do you see a trend? It appears that 16GB models have made up the vast majority of iPhone sales for quite a while.
The 8GB models barely register. It seems most people are already avoiding 8GB like the plague
it is up to apple what to offer but its up to the consumers to let them know what they want.
apple is stuck in 2007 land by not letting go.
i dont know either. i say i wish apple would move on and let go of the 8 gig chip. i even want 32 to become the minimum offered in the flagship model but for reasons beyond me you are hellbent on making me realize "i dont have to buy it" which i kinda knew before but is not really relevant to my pov.
if we could be having a similar discussion next fall or even next year i would find that disappointing. would you?
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You don't see budget macs now do you so it's pretty unlikely that you will see a budget iphone anytime soon. Apple have never been part of any race to the bottom.
That being said, I think Apple expect the carriers to sell the 8gb 5c on lower monthly tariffs for free not just to make the carrier more money.
why are terms like "budget" and "race to the bottom" always brought up if someone questions the price of the iphone or ipad?
in fact if you look through apples history us apple computer buyers were for a longtime convincing pc users that you actually saved money over time buying a mac and that the cost of ownership was actually less.
the appletv is an amazing box for its price, the mac mini, mba, imac have all been priced competitively against similar solutions and apples pricing of mac os updates has been extremely affordable for many years now.
so while apple has perhaps never had the cheapest product on the market that fact dosent really matter when people question the pricing of a phone that could easily be $100-150 cheaper and still return a good margin.
The existence of an 8GB option on some models of the iPhone doesn't take away from the fact that they still offer 16GB, 32GB and 64GB on other models.
And it's just that... an option. So I don't know why you want them to get rid of it.
Like I said earlier... the 16GB is what MOST people are buying anyway... which make this entire 8GB discussion kinda pointless.
You know how Apple works. The current iPhone gets all the attention... and the previous models get pushed down the line. It's been like that for a long time.
Maybe someday Apple will offer the 3rd-tier iPhone with 16GB... while the 2nd-tier and flagship models have 32GB, 64GB and 128GB options.
But they haven't yet... and they probably won't in the near future.
If you think Apple is bad... HTC just announced a phone with 4GB of storage. They must be stuck in 2004
The existence of an 8GB option on some models of the iPhone doesn't take away from the fact that they still offer 16GB, 32GB and 64GB on other models.
And it's just that... an option. So I don't know why you want them to get rid of it.
Like I said earlier... the 16GB is what MOST people are buying anyway... which make this entire 8GB discussion kinda pointless.
You know how Apple works. The current iPhone gets all the attention... and the previous models get pushed down the line. It's been like that for a long time.
Maybe someday Apple will offer the 3rd-tier iPhone with 16GB... while the 2nd-tier and flagship models will have 32GB, 64GB and 128GB options.
But they haven't yet... and they probably won't in the near future.
If you think Apple is bad... HTC just announced a phone with 4GB of storage. They must be stuck in 2004
its an option but so would adding 4 gig, 2 gig and just enough to handle the basic functions.
btw is your second to last line (third if you count the smiley) an answer to my question?
Very true.
But storage isn't a mystery. The more storage you have... the more stuff you can save on your phone. That's fairly easy to comprehend.
If you choose an 8GB phone instead of a 16GB, 32GB, 64GB phone... that's your fault.
Huh! MacBook Air? Mac Mini? 21.5" iMac?
Apple do have a good range of price points for Macs. And the iPhone 5c has the potential to be a great lower-end iPhone model.
The difference is that the low-end macs do actually cost quite a lot less than their "Pro" counterparts, where as the 5c is sold for almost the same price as the 5s - for a product with a significantly lower spec.
The question about having this same discussion next fall or next year?
Hmmmm... we're at least 6 months away from the next major iPhone announcement.
And I'm 99% sure that Apple will still be offering some model of the iPhone with 8GB of storage in the next year or two.
But it won't bother me.... nor will I feel disappointed. I already have a 32GB iPhone 5S.
I ignored the entry-level 8GB and 16GB models and made the conscious decision to buy a 32GB model.
See? You don't have to be stuck with 8GB.
And if I was in the market for a Macbook Air... I'd also skip the entry-level 128GB option and go straight to 256GB.
I can make that choice.
You say 8GB is too small for an iPhone... I say 128GB is too small for a Macbook Air.
But I'm not disappointed that those options exist.
The question about having this same discussion next fall or next year?
Hmmmm... we're at least 6 months away from the next major iPhone announcement.
And I'm 99% sure that Apple will still be offering some model of the iPhone with 8GB of storage in the next year or two.
But it won't bother me.... nor will I feel disappointed. I already have a 32GB iPhone 5S.
I ignored the entry-level 8GB and 16GB models and made the conscious decision to buy a 32GB model.
See? You don't have to be stuck with 8GB.
And if I was in the market for a Macbook Air... I'd also skip the entry-level 128GB option and go straight to 256GB.
I can make that choice.
You say 8GB is too small for an iPhone... I say 128GB is too small for a Macbook Air.
But I'm not disappointed that those options exist.
think a friend of mine has the 128 gig mba. he cant really store anything on it. its way too much storage for small documents and way too little storage for music, video and pictures. kinda leaves you lost in the middle.
then two follow up questions if i may.
when if ever would you start to get disappointed that 8 gig is still available?
would you welcome c2d processors macs being released again?