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These new iMacs may not be that powerful, or much less expensive, but when bought in bulk by Educational Institutes, plenty of money can be saved. Also, many Educational Institutes run all their accounts off a single server, so the iMacs would only have to be powerful enough to run Remote Desktop.

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If these institutions truly prioritized saving money, then they wouldn't order any Macs, or they would get Mac Minis with cheap displays.
 
These new iMacs may not be that powerful, or much less expensive, but when bought in bulk by Educational Institutes, plenty of money can be saved. Also, many Educational Institutes run all their accounts off a single server, so the iMacs would only have to be powerful enough to run Remote Desktop.

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You do realize that the starting $999 price point is already assuming that the units will be purchased through institutions in bulk, right? They are only intended for institutional sales, not for individual sale, so there is no such thing as an individual unit list price.

If an institution was only interested in considering hardware specs, then they could get an equivalently-spec'ed Core i3 machine from several Windows-based manufacturers for less than half the price -- before taking volume discounts into account.

Institutions would only seriously consider paying this price if they specifically want to equip some or all of their labs with Mac OS X based PCs instead of Windows-based PCs.
 
You do realize that the starting $999 price point is already assuming that the units will be purchased through institutions in bulk, right? They are only intended for institutional sales, not for individual sale, so there is no such thing as an individual unit list price.

If an institution was only interested in considering hardware specs, then they could get an equivalently-spec'ed Core i3 machine from several Windows-based manufacturers for less than half the price -- before taking volume discounts into account.

Institutions would only seriously consider paying this price if they specifically want to equip some or all of their labs with Mac OS X based PCs instead of Windows-based PCs.

False. These are individual prices. The bulk discount is above and beyond these discounts.

And your last statement assumes that lifespan and resale value aren't important to institutions, which I can assure you is not the case.
 
Universities will definitely buy them. Colleges will buy them. Those places are money trees with many many ways to generate revenue. Some private K-12 schools as well.

Public schools? Not many. I'm a teacher and decisions at this moment are not made based on long term success or quality or, unfortunately, educating. Every decision right now is made to save a buck. If it continues this way, well, I'll just say we'll reap what we sow.

Did you ever go to a public school? Mine was nothing special and we had Apple II (and Atari 800) variants growing up followed shortly by Macs in later grades, especially in the writing and design classes. Macs are known for being heavily nested in education, both traditionally and especially today on college campuses. What in the Universe makes you think a public K-12 wouldn't buy them? The local schools around here waste money every year on all kinds of unnecessary crap and we just keep passing more levies, encouraging them to keep spending like there's no tomorrow (kind of like our government in general, come to think of it). Who needs to learn how to control spending if we just keep giving them more money? They play on our emotions. It's about the kids! No, it's about learning how to live within your means!
 
If these institutions truly prioritized saving money, then they wouldn't order any Macs, or they would get Mac Minis with cheap displays.

Actually I have to disagree with you on this, Mac's generally last longer and get treated better by students as it is generally known that Macs are expensive so in the long run the school are saving money and macs as far as I have noticed tend to need less system care than windows (windows 7 is better at this but there is still room for improvement)
 
...but it goes to point out that a machine doesn't fail to become useful after 2 years, just because it is a base model.

I agree! The point of the post was to point justs that out. There's no reason for an institution to pay $1000 for specs that aren't going to last too much longer in the market. There are better options out there for EDU customers. The current model is a better choice.

These are clearly aimed for K-12, which don't need a lot of power and will be fine four years from now.

Simply not true for everyone, and again, that school will be paying more money to upgrade long before they get to that 4 year mark. At that price Apple should just send them to the current model for $150 more.

Are you talking about the standard warranty? What institution orders any hardware without an extended warranty? And Edu AppleCare can be purchased in four or five year blocks.

Three years period, anyone paying for five years is wasting money in the tech world. An institution is better off repairing machines on a case by case basis after three years. Out of the 40 towers we have we've only just replaced a GPU after 6 years.

If your budget cycle is every six years, your university needs more funding. Machines should be replaced when their warranties expire, which in Apple's case would be five years, max. We purchase everything in four year cycles where I am.

Budget cycle isn't every six years, never said that. Machine life is at six years and the Mac Pros are still strong. Machines don't need to be replaced when their warranties are up if the institution purchases correctly. The fine arts department upgraded from single core quick silvers after 10 years of service. Our department still has 8 year old G5s in service. The Intels will last another 4 years guaranteed.

The other thing to consider for us though, is that we can't spend millions on towers alone. We're production oriented, and the small tv studio set the school back 1.2 million. dropping half a million on towers every four years would be reckless for us.

When did being an informed or budget conscious business become the sad part?

Don't know where I said that, but I might have been typing too fast.

I'm still working on a 5 1/2 year old Pentium D with 2GB of RAM and Windows XP. It earns just as much per hour for me as would a brand new top of the line Mac.

For you sure! Not criticizing, but we have to remember where I was quoting from.

Do I want a new computer? Sure do. Do I need one yet? No.

You have the luxury, as do most users. The quote was about EDU institutions spending $1000 for a grossly under-spec'd machine, which is a bad choice given how long the machine should last them.
 
Ug, this is absolutely not worth considering in the UK. Unless they've made a huge mistake with the pricing.

This has just shown up on the UK HE store priced at £848. *£31* cheaper than the 'standard' entry level 21" model.

Yes. £31 saving to go from quad core i5 to dual core i3, 4Gb down to 2Gb, 500Gb down to 250Gb and lose the Thunderbolt.

I was expecting this to come in at around £700.
I think I'll drop a line to our account manager to check, but at that price I can't see anyone in the UK wanting to get one of these.

Steve.
 
This package doesn't look like any real deal to me. It looks more like the result of Apple slapping stuff together to achieve a certain price point and the ability of the institution to say "yeah it's an Apple computer".
 
This package doesn't look like any real deal to me. It looks more like the result of Apple slapping stuff together to achieve a certain price point and the ability of the institution to say "yeah it's an Apple computer".

Exactly. I see it as Apple having left over C2Ds and parts and just needing to clear inventory.

They still have the iMac with the previous design on sale for a not so good price too.
 
I think I'll drop a line to our account manager to check, but at that price I can't see anyone in the UK wanting to get one of these.
Our account manager has confirmed that the UK price on these is not a mistake :(

Steve.
 
As has been posted already, actual educational institutions won't pay THAT price. They'll negotiate bulk purchases or work through a purchasing agent who manages the technology purchases/lifecycle management for multiple school districts, purchasing thousands of units at a time.
 
Don't confuse success and money with greed.

It makes no difference. Making money successfully doesn't make one great in my book. It may make one rich, but it demonstrates no virtues, what-so-ever. Whomever called it a 'douche move' was clearly referring to the lack of value in the $999 iMac. Someone stating that because Apple makes lots of money doesn't make that 'move' any more valuable. Judge actions on their own, not as part of a whole or it leads to fallacy of logic. Otherwise, one might assume Vista is a great OS because Microsoft has lots of money. I don't know of many people that think Vista wasn't a 'bad move'. Money doesn't make one right any more than might does.
 
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