itsmilo
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cuz it happened to one person one time months ago. Big deal
Apple Launches Beta Version of New Siri Shortcuts App for iOS 12
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cuz it happened to one person one time months ago. Big deal
The Game 161
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Actually no it happened more than once
One where it recorded a convo of a man and his wife and a woman slagging off her mate and sent it to her.
Things like this should never happen.
.that’s a big deal.
Shortcuts has its version of “skills” and they will only grow over time. Having said that I don’t find shortcuts difficult to use at all. Then again I used workflow prior so I have some experience with the app.
It does and will only grow with more shortcuts as time goes by. I believe creators can submit shortcuts as well making it kind of a crowd sourced thing which is great.
No, I get it. I said that in my original post...just because I agree with others that it needs to be simpler doesn't mean I don't get it. You must not have read my post. And I'd hate to use your apps or software if you don't care about usability.....lol.
cmaier
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It's perfectly usable for phone smart people. You don't have to be good at everything, don't worry.
Feenician
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As much as I’m looking forward to digging in to power of this feature I do think there is potential for both confusion and perhaps even downright exploitation for less technically inclined users. I think we’ll definitely see people confused that their phone is doing X, and it’s just because it’s part of a Workflow they installed but don’t understand. I think the clock is absolutely ticking on sensationalist headlines of SIRI Sending iPhone Users Contacts to Russian Email Address!*
*when said users explicitly install and execute a workflow that does just that
With great power comes great responsibility.
cmaier
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There are security features to prevent that. For example, apps cannot assign Siri shortcuts to phrases. Apps can pop up the interface, but the user needs to actually record the trigger phrase and agree to add the shortcut.
Feenician
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Yep, I know. I’m not suggesting there are drive-by type exploits. I’m suggesting it’d be very much like any other malware on macOS. Intentionally installed by a user who is not aware of its true purpose. Claiming to do one thing, actually doing another. You and I probably won’t get caught out, but plenty will.
You really aren't business savy. Do you think most of the market is "phone smart people", as you would say? No, they aren't. And this is way beyond what any normal person would know how to do. I've been using it, and I like what I can do with it, but most people aren't going to know what/how to do it. Just because you know how doesn't mean the average Joe is going to know how. As I said in my original post, I sell phones and help people with them all day. This is going to be a problem for 95% of the people. They aren't going to know how to use this app or how to create their own. So get off your high horse and come down to reality.
chucker23n1
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Why does this app have to be for "most of the market"? Why can't Apple do power user features that only appeal to a fraction?
Why is this a problem?
cmaier
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given that you actually have to speak a sentence and click some buttons to install, and that the workflow can only do what apps enable it to do (and apps are still checked by Apple before being permitted on the store), and given that there is no auto-launch of shortcuts (you have to speak or tap an icon or the like), I'm not concerned about my less technically-inclined family members.
Suckfest 9001
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This feature isn't made for "most people." Companies are allowed to make features for power users.
Like I said, you can either educate yourself on its usage or move along. Either way you're not occupationally qualified to decide what is and isn't well-targeted software.
Quit while you're ahead big boy, we're not interested in this opinion of dumbing down functionality for simpletons.
Actually, that's incorrect. The Shortcuts API is absolutely about teaching Siri new skills. The shortcuts app is about layering them as commands, across multiple applications (info from maps, text from messages, changes to Home, controlling podcast in one command). The point still is that developers will be utilizing the Shortcuts API to add more hooks into Siri, teaching it how it can have deeper interaction within third-party apps.
For all the people criticizing Siri's inability to control Spotify — this puts the power back in Spotify's developers hands.
https://developer.apple.com/sirikit/
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
Well, yes and no. Yes in the sense that Spotify can now create a custom intent, which users can create a shortcut for.
No in the sense that there's still no SiriKit intent for controlling music.
In particular, this probably means it still isn't possible to ask HomePod to play music through Spotify. But it should be possible for Spotify to create their own custom intents, then for the user to create a shortcut (maybe like "Hey Siri, spotify Ed Sheeran"), and then to trigger that from iPhone.
(I could be mistaken. It's not clear if shortcuts work at all on HomePod; I assume not, or not yet.)
danmart
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Part of the speculation on voice triggers is that these will then be accessible via the HomePod. That, however, raises an interesting question of: if I create a voice trigger, will my wife also be able to activate it?
There’s no beta release for HomePod at this point, as I understand it, so we won’t know for definite until the actual release of iOS 12.
ETA: I just double checked and in the Keynote it was confirmed that voice triggers will work on the HomePod
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Is that not what this is?
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sirikit/media_shortcuts
HomePod — like Apple TV — has a smaller set of Siri controls. That's is true. Doesn't rule out Siri control of Spotify on other devices. One thing though, now with Siri on iCloud, Siri intelligence is shared from device to device so while the homepod may not have all the capabilities the iPhone does, there is a good chance that the intelligence of shortcuts can still be transferred as long as it is not a request that needs input or screen output.
chucker23n1
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I thought I had seen that, but couldn't find it!
In any case, that's slightly confusing, because those intents aren't in the Intent Domains section here: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/sirikit, nor in "Domains and Intents" here: https://developer.apple.com/sirikit/
Other portions of those pages have already been updated for iOS 12, so I'm not entirely sure a full-fledged media domain will actually ship?
Or it's simply a documentation error. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Right. If they do include a media domain, that'll probably work with HomePod. The page only explicitly mentions "Messaging, Lists, and Notes".
If they only include shortcuts, my guess is it won't.
(Maybe the new major HomePod release simply won't come in tandem with iOS 12, but rather in spring. That might explain the inconsistency.)
I think that only applies to stuff like prioritization, knowing contacts, etc., not about making entire domains available.
I think it's simply a documentation error but who knows. It's in there though.
I don't think so — Siri in iCloud synchs on-device machine learning data across all devices connected to a particular account, that will include Siri suggestions and shortcuts, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Homepod has access or the ability to act on them.
Because this isn't a pro feature? That was easy. And if you're serious as to, "Why is this a problem", then you aren't business savvy either. Oh well. The old Apple is dead, welcome to the new, bloated, complex Apple of Tim Cook. Yeah, I love Apple and am a fanboy, you could say, but I'm becoming less and less of one. It seems that some of you are hardcore fanboys who don't care how far they stray and how complex they become, disregarding their user base, which is why it's a problem. Also, this is what a beta is for...to offer them constructive criticism. Yes, it's too complex. If you hate the fact that tons of people are saying that, well, I'm sorry. Either way, if they make it simpler, you will still be able to use it, along with the rest of the people that have iPhones. So what's the problem with making it simpler? Y'all's logic is not really on track.
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
Automation is traditionally a power-user feature. If you can figure out a way to make visual programming more accessible to novices, you could become a very rich person, as this problem has been tackled for decades.
I’m not sure how you turned this into a rant on Tim Cook and logic, but Shortcuts is a net win. Shortcuts for newbies would be even greater, but we’re not there yet.
with a jailbreak, you could do this for years already.
personally I went with "Hey Siri crash the compound"
Goner259er
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I have 2 our of three and I’m an iPhone/CarPlay user. If you think Siri is better I’m surprised you have choked on the Kool aid yet. Unlike you I’m not on my knees for Apple a Timmy like you appear to be
