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Apple Launches iTunes Match with Release of iTunes 10.5.1 [Updated]

samcraig said:
Fixed that for you.

For example - I have unlimited data. I don't want to take up space on my iPhone with songs I rarely listen to but might want to access. I don't want to have to "manage" my music on my iphone. IE - today I want to hear this album but tomorrow a different one. Why would I need to clutter up my iphone with songs only to keep removing them and adding them.

I'm not advocating for either services. I'm explaining why both options might be preferred. With streaming - you don't have to manage music. You have all your songs and you listen whenever/however you want without having to load and unload.

Again - both models have their +'s and -'s
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Yeah, to each their own I guess. Swiping to the left and clicking delete on an album is pretty painless IMO:)
 
4001 error ?

Great question. I'd assumed it was due to an overload of Apple's servers but I saw someone on Apple's forums had the issue previously when they were part of the beta so I'm not so confident.

I was in the beta with my MBP and it worked fine but I am now trying to get it working with the full library on my iMac and have been getting 4001 for the past several hours each time I try to start the matching.

Here is that Apple forum link:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/16729456#16729456

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TheJesusFish said:
Is error 4001 a result of the server overload, or is there something wrong with my account?
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I am a songwriter/producer so half of the songs in my music library of itunes are not released and never will be. It will treat these as stolen? haha
 
Fixing Mismatched

So, Ive read through, and havent been able to find an answer yet.

If there was no match for your song, are you able to fix it somehow and rescan it to try the match again?

Id rather fix my songs that were not able to match then upload my own files.
 
akm3 said:
So to actually USE iCloud, am I correct in that I can no longer sync my iPhone/iPad to iTunes on my computer? I must make the shift to syncing to iCloud?
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Nope.

1. You can turn off having apps/music pushed to devices and manually download anything from your purchased tab in iTunes or App Store on an IOS device (better for most people)
2. You can always manually sync with iTunes the old way, and it will behave as it always did and transfer purchases back and forth.

For most people, I think it's better to have iCloud on, but not set to push every single thing.

You can specify by type of media. You can tell it to push all purchased apps to all your devices, but not music and vice versa.
 
MacAddict1978 said:
Yes. It was the entire selling point of the service!
Try apple's web site for details... watch the keynote from it's release to have the late Steve Jobs tell you this... and you can also read the user agreement for the service that you clicked OK that tells you this as well.
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It specifically says that it is a recognised as a legal copy by the RIAA does it? I can only see it saying that it is a 256kbps DRM free copy.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I haven't seen anything to say that it legalises your files.

Not that it matters. If you're not caught downloading or sharing then you're unlikely to get prosecuted anyway.
 
Drunken Master said:
I have a hard time seeing how there are more than 25,000 good songs in music history.

I've been pretty fervent about selectively collecting good music for the past 12 years and I have about 2,300 songs (some of which aren't very good).

There's only a handful of music archetypes that exist anyway. Everything else is a derivative of those few songs.
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De gustibus non disputandum est.
 
So what is the deal with this RIAA and Apple??

Where EXACTLY does it say that our $25 is going to "purchase" our illegal copies of songs? I think we all want to see that first!!!
 
Cyacene said:
So, Ive read through, and havent been able to find an answer yet.

If there was no match for your song, are you able to fix it somehow and rescan it to try the match again?

Id rather fix my songs that were not able to match then upload my own files.
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Yes. Just use the info pane to correct any tags, and then run the match again later. It should solve the problem, though a lot of people are mentioned issues where it's missing random tracks on albums they ripped with iTunes, so there are probably still kinks in the chain
 
Pirate?

So if you have more than 25K songs you are a Pirate?

Then I want a label for 2500 songs! :)
 
absurdamerica said:
Yeah, to each their own I guess. Swiping to the left and clicking delete on an album is pretty painless IMO:)
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Ok - here's an example that would be challenging on iOS with match. Maybe I'm wrong.

I have 25000 songs. I want to listen to them as "shuffled". I don't want to download them all to my iphone. How do I do it?

Now - with streaming - I can just hit shuffle and on the server side - it plays random songs. No management whatsoever. It just works.

Again - different strokes for different folks. It really all depends on your listening habits.
 
Nunyabinez said:
In my opinion that is a terrible idea. Match is not a storage service regardless of how people are thinking about it. It is a personal music distribution service. If the only place that you have a file is in the cloud you are flirting with danger. Now, you might keep songs on the cloud and archived somewhere and delete them from your computer to save space, but I would never count on a third party system, even Apple's to safeguard my data.
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read the entire post. he said he will back up to an external drive of course....
 
iTunes March Major Fail!!!!

The majority of my library is from CDs I ripped. I signed up for iTunes Match just so that I could upgrade a lot of my tracks to 256 without re-ripping my CDs. Certainly worth $25.
My music is nothing too uncommon, Yeah Yeah Yeah, Crystal Castles, Public Image Ltd, The Smiths, and so on. iTunes was able to find most of my CDs on CDDB when I originally ripped them. I thought this would go smoothly.However, it has been a disaster! Of my 7600 tracks, iTunes was unable to match over 5000 of them. I thought that was bad until I went into my library it see which ones were not matched when I started noticing there are songs and artist in my library that should not be there!!!!!!
I now have Pubic Enemy in my library instead of Public Image!!!! I thought maybe it would have just added incorrect artist and track info to my files, but I took a listen and nope my Public Image is gone and I now have Public Enemy instead, urgh!!!!!!
On the bright side I now have lots of bands I have never heard of, maybe there will be something good :-/
Of course I did not back-up my library, so I urge everyone else to please do so first.

Edit: All of my Public Image is present, so the Public Enemy overwrote something else. It is going to take me forever to sort this all out.
 
milo said:
Songs aren't uploaded as lossless, stuff that's higher gets converted down (to 256 I believe).



Wow, did you even read the post you replied to? Album ripped from CD, all tunes matched but one. MANY testers reported this exact experience during the beta. This service still has issues (although it sounds like it has improved a lot over the betas). Sure some people may have files munged beyond recognition but Match fails on some material that's in the store and named perfectly.

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LOL. There were two similar posts and I replied to the wrong one, and corrected myself/apologized.

To be honest, I'm starting to tune those types of posts out. If by page 14 on a thread, 50 other people with the same issue have posted and gotten a reply. Just read the thread!

The partial CD matching is an evil issue though.
 
ksgant said:
Okay, turned it off. May check back in a week. But no way am I going to sit around for the next two weeks while it uploads half...yes, half....of my songs to the cloud. Songs that are sitting right there in iTunes. Songs that Apple says "oh, just pay us $25 a year and it will match the songs you have with the songs in our library". Really? Why are half the albums, which are ALL available on iTunes, being skipped by Match?

I can understand if these songs weren't in iTunes. I understand totally that the songs it DOESN'T have, I have to upload if I want them available in the cloud. I get that. But as I say, all of these songs and albums (with a handful of exceptions) are all available on the iTunes store, but Match is skipping them for some reason. Skipping even certain songs in the same album! For instance, I have Alice Cooper's "Welcome to my Nightmare", all ripped from my CD. It sees all the songs except "Some Folks". The little cloud icon is beside all the songs for that album except "Some Folks". Yes, it's available in the iTunes Store. No, Match doesn't see it and wants to "upload" it to the cloud.

Honestly, at this point I want my money back...but I understand that it's brand new and I'm sure these are all bugs blah blah blah. Just infuriating.
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The matching process looks at the audio fingerprint of the song. It also seems that compression from a low quality mp3 or aac file may interfere with the matching process.

I have been using the beta, one things I have been doing is taking the unmatched "uploaded" songs and re-ripping as Apple Lossless. In most cases, the lossless file was matched without problem.

You can do the same, just re-rip the unmatched songs at higher or lossless quality and I think you'll have a higher chance of a match.

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Another issue may be that the cd you own may be a different version than the one on the iTunes music store. Often times CDs are released and then re-released under a new record-label. Take a look at the song length and if it's not close to the one on the iTunes store then it will not be able to match as the audio fingerprint will differ too much.
 
Zimmy68 said:
I want to have my iPhone empty of music, connect to my library of 15K+ songs and shuffle them like a jukebox.
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Are you sure it can't do that? Not streaming pretty much just means songs stay on the device after they're played.
 
jjs1138 said:
The majority of my library is from CDs I ripped. I signed up for iTunes Match just so that I could upgrade a lot of my tracks to 256 without re-ripping my CDs. Certainly worth $25.
My music is nothing too uncommon, Yeah Yeah Yeah, Crystal Castles, Public Image Ltd, The Smiths, and so on. iTunes was able to find most of my CDs on CDDB when I originally ripped them. I thought this would go smoothly.However, it has been a disaster! Of my 7600 tracks, iTunes was unable to match over 5000 of them. I thought that was bad until I went into my library it see which ones were not matched when I started noticing there are songs and artist in my library that should not be there!!!!!!
I now have Pubic Enemy in my library instead of Public Image!!!! I thought maybe it would have just added incorrect artist and track info to my files, but I took a listen and nope my Public Image is gone and I now have Public Enemy instead, urgh!!!!!!
On the bright side I now have lots of bands I have never heard of, maybe there will be something good :-/
Of course I did not back-up my library, so I urge everyone else to please do so first.
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At least you have CD's you can re-rip. I might actually like iTunes screwing up like that... it's like a gift with purchase. :)

Unless it would replace all your songs with Debbie Gibson or Just Biber.... then that would just be cruel.
 
ok i'm trying to understand this no more syncing thing... so my entire itunes library shows up in the music app on my iphone (though not everything is downloaded to my iphone)... is there anyway to control what is "shown" on your iphone? i have some music in my itunes library for nalstalgia reasons and some guilty pleasures, but i don't need someone looking through my iphone music library and seeing them! or say i downloaded some kiddy songs for my nephew, i don't need or want those visible on my iphone...
 
music purchased with another account

Does anyone here know what happens with music purchased with other accounts when you do the match? does it sync those as well?
 
mactmaster said:
The matching process looks at the audio fingerprint of the song. It also seems that compression from a low quality mp3 or aac file may interfere with the matching process.

I have been using the beta, one things I have been doing is taking the unmatched "uploaded" songs and re-ripping as Apple Lossless. In most cases, the lossless file was matched without problem.

You can do the same, just re-rip the unmatched songs at higher or lossless quality and I think you'll have a higher chance of a match.

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Another issue may be that the cd you own may be a different version than the one on the iTunes music store. Often times CDs are released and then re-released under a new record-label. Take a look at the song length and if it's not close to the one on the iTunes store then it will not be able to match as the audio fingerprint will differ too much.
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Woah.... that is so not correct. If itunes were analyzing the audio of your tracks, do you realize that the process would take an eternity???

PS. Why would you take the time to re-rip into lossless just to get iTunes to match to give you a LOWER quality file? You claim to have been a beta tester??? And you have no idea how the matching actually works?

Even if an album is reissued (they don't usually travel to another label, just the artist) the meta data is still going to produce a match. Most people aren't having entire albumbs not matching, just random tracks on an album that everything else matched up on.

It sounds like a bug (and there were LOTS of those in the beta, that you should remember).

Everyone is cramming the servers. Wait a few days and try again. But don't rerip into lossless! For the love of God, you wouldn't need to bother to match the song anymore
 
Syncing

Can anyone clarify:

Once you turn on iTunes Match on an iDevice, can you do ANYTHING with that device and iTunes in reagards to manually dragging music/playlists over?

Or, once you go iTunes Match.....you can longer control anything on your iDevice via iTunes?!?

-Kevin
 
iCloud worked perfectly on my MBA...however, I can't get my iPhone to download my iCloud library. Followed all the steps perfectly. Any ideas?
 
Remember when Google released that buggy email app that didn't work correctly? What a joke that thing was. At least we know Apple would never prematurely release anything that didn't "just work" exactly as intended.
 
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