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90% of Macs are produced in China the number one greenhouse gas violator in the world.

Which is fine, until you realise China manufacturers a big majority of all the worlds goods, as well as having a population past 1.3 billion.

The US is one of the worst polluters per capita.
 
Funny, they still ship their iPods in plastic boxes - how wasteful is that?!

Is it more wasteful that shipping a larger cardboard box with Styrofoam inserts requiring more crates to move the product from factory to distribution center to retailer?

I'm sure they've did the math.
 
Do you read what you write? Using PR = not strong-arming.

It is strong arming. No company wants bad press about the environment, whether the claims are true or not. They've been strong armed into starting their own PR inititive, and whether it makes any real difference to their own internal policy or not remains to be seen.
 
and remember what the old ipods shipped in

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Can someone who voted negative on this article please explain why?

Simple. Now that kids are more active on line they seem to think its cool or hip to demote topics like this.

Look at me I'm going to demote a topic and show off to my buddies

:rolleyes:
Some people are tired of hearing about Environmentalism. And having "green" products shoved down our throats. So there is an automatic reflex to see anything to do with this concept as a negative. Especially when most Green products are a joke.

yeah most, but does not mean all.

people (not you) need to think outside the box
 
If you don't like "Environmentalism" then think another way: Don't you think it would be better for the planet overall if it were cleaner, and less exploited than it is currently?

Would you yourself like to breathe in fresh air, rather than air filled with all kinds of crap?


Some people are tired of hearing about Environmentalism. And having "green" products shoved down our throats. So there is an automatic reflex to see anything to do with this concept as a negative. Especially when most Green products are a joke.

If you truly believe in the impact of these products on the environment and that you should do something about it. Then you should not use any of them at all.

Not as bad does not equal good. From a purely environmental standpoint anything you do that has more impact than a Deer or Wolf is bad.

Now I do believe in recycling as it makes sense. Why dig up more stuff when it can be re-utilized? But for global warming I have not seen compelling enough evidence that the temperature fluctuations are greater than what is natural. On other environmental issues my opinion varies.


You mean that AT&T has reached the year 2000? Most of the planet has had MMS for years... MMS is old news, and really, isn't very good.

why the hell hasn't this site posted anything about MMS yet today? today's the big day. i'm sure yall wrote it on yalls calender...
 
Some people are tired of hearing about Environmentalism. And having "green" products shoved down our throats. So there is an automatic reflex to see anything to do with this concept as a negative. Especially when most Green products are a joke.

Well, then 'you' totally get it wrong. This is 'green products' in apple's world:

- PVC/(other toxic…) free products.
I don't know about you, but regardless of you believing in global warming or not, the negative effects of PVC is well documented, you can always try to eat some for breakfast, see how long you last. :)

- Energy saving products
They compare old products with new products, no doubt their new products use a lot less electricity. Perhaps 'you' enjoy a high electricity bill. But others don't.

- Smaller packaging
Makes transportation more efficiently, or cheaper if you'd like. Apple shows how before they needed 3 cargo-planes to deliver what 2 cargo-planes can deliver today. Everything that makes the process of making and delivering a mac cheaper makes it, in the end, cheaper for the consumer.

- Recycling program.
First of all its free, and you also get 10% discount on a new iPod for each iPod recycled. So... Cheaper products? Definitely negative news!

- Apple going more transparent.
Surely this must be positive?


Well, I know 'you' hate 'green' products. But other people, really likes the fact that they are getting a better product. Regardless of beliving in global warming or not. :)

Thanks for reading.
 
According to their new Web site,

"iPod nano packaging is 32% lighter and consumes 54% less volume than the first-generation iPod nano."

Just a guess, but I would imagine the cardboard box with Styrofoam inserts was actually cheaper for Apple in terms of packaging costs.
 

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But for everyone who applauds the "green" initiative must also remember that:

Green = Cost.

All of these "green" initiatives cost money and will be passed down to the consumer. People always complain that Apple products cost too much, and this won't help. I'm all for a cleaner environment, but this isn't free.
 
Easy translation of this press release.

We have no plans on placing i7 processor in any of our laptops. When we release new laptops and iMacs we will point out how amazing our energy and battery life is and how this is more important than computing power.
 
Easy translation of this press release.

We have no plans on placing i7 processor in any of our laptops. When we release new laptops and iMacs we will point out how amazing our energy and battery life is and how this is more important than computing power.
Simply amazing.
 
Wow, so much anti environmentalisms in this thread based on "I thinks" and opinions. :rolleyes:
 
All of these "green" initiatives cost money and will be passed down to the consumer. People always complain that Apple products cost too much, and this won't help. I'm all for a cleaner environment, but this isn't free.

Not with Apple. They traditionally introduce a product and it remains at or around that price point throughout its multiple revisions no matter the greenness (or feature set for that matter).

iPod nano (1G) 2GB - $199, 4GB - $249
iPod nano (2G) 2GB - $149, 4GB - $199, 8GB - $249
iPod nano (3G) 4GB - $199, 8GB - $249
iPod nano (4G) 8GB - $149, 16GB - $199
iPod nano (5G) 8GB - $149, 16GB - $179
 
Well, I know 'you' hate 'green' products. But other people, really likes the fact that they are getting a better product. Regardless of beliving in global warming or not. :)

Thanks for reading.

One thing I hope we all think it is time to get past is the green design aesthetic. Not every box, print ad, logo, and TV commercial background needs to literally be green.

When I walk into a store now it is like standing inside a vomit bag. I see TV commercials where the background is green, the text is green, and the actors are wearing green clothing or dipped in green paint.

We've been through this design before - on food packaging. In the 90s, green signaled "low fat" during the low fat craze. It made you think that you were buying split pea flavored Triscuits.

I've had quite enough of it. It is childish. There's millions of other choices in your color palettes and you would be wise to start using them again.
 
You mean that AT&T has reached the year 2000? Most of the planet has had MMS for years... MMS is old news, and really, isn't very good.

it's a big deal to iphone users, and i wanna know when i will finally be able to update my phone and get this predated feature finally. and it's macrumors job, which they're great most all the time.
 
Not with Apple. They traditionally introduce a product and it remains at or around that price point throughout its multiple revisions no matter the greenness (or feature set for that matter).

iPod nano (1G) 2GB - $199, 4GB - $249
iPod nano (2G) 2GB - $149, 4GB - $199, 8GB - $249
iPod nano (3G) 4GB - $199, 8GB - $249
iPod nano (4G) 8GB - $149, 16GB - $199
iPod nano (5G) 8GB - $149, 16GB - $179

But Apple recently has dropped some prices due to market forces. These green initiatives will (IMHO) negate these forces and let them have the rationale to keep the prices the same.
 
As long as their products are being made in China, they will continue to pollute the world and contribute to labor issues. Again, Apple is no different than any other PC maker when it comes to manufacturing, they just have a great PR team.
 
Some people are tired of hearing about Environmentalism. And having "green" products shoved down our throats. So there is an automatic reflex to see anything to do with this concept as a negative. Especially when most Green products are a joke.

If you truly believe in the impact of these products on the environment and that you should do something about it. Then you should not use any of them at all.

Not as bad does not equal good. From a purely environmental standpoint anything you do that has more impact than a Deer or Wolf is bad.

Now I do believe in recycling as it makes sense. Why dig up more stuff when it can be re-utilized? But for global warming I have not seen compelling enough evidence that the temperature fluctuations are greater than what is natural. On other environmental issues my opinion varies.


I completely agree. It is all theory about global warming. Facts are manipulated to try and justify all the green stuff everywhere. It is all marketing.
 
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