Whats to stop any developer of any app from secretly using the API if not caught trying.
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Apple Lays Groundwork for Coronavirus Exposure Notification API in iOS 13.5 Beta 3 and New Xcode 11.5 Beta [Updated]
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Both are considerations. When you look at diabetes, asthma, etc., those are all factors that play into how C/19 can attribute to effects and overcoming it. Age is another demographic that seemingly affects the geriatrics or even a healthier/younger Crowd, however what’s difficult to grasp, is there’s not a specific trend that affects XYZ person at XYZ age. It’s so variable across-the-board, There’s no set ‘stage trend‘ for age or genetic trait that proves C/19 to be completely devastating, when every single person reacts differently. So in the end scheme, your question isn’t really relevant looking for a [specific age or disease].
Awesome quote... sure I'll recycle it at some point. Such a common thing for people to do online.
My question would be to you, how do you suspect they go about not getting caught? Are you suggesting that it (API) could Be built into some form of code where it’s not detected? I doubt it’s that easy.
You just proved my point...
Just to be clear, this app won't solve the outbreak, as well as "vaccine"... and life won't go back to "normal".
Ignorance is a blessing, welcome to 1984.
I believe that is the case, but only if the infected person had their phone active on them at the moment they were near you and then they get results in time that your 14 days didnt lapse. So, I am wondering why limit this to 14 days. If they delete the keys after that short of a period, then potentially someone coming into contact with me early in their infection or if they are asymptomatic would create a situation where testing could happen in a later stage. Or maybe they are sick for 2 weeks and then go get tested and then a delay in getting results or entering them on the app. That would cause people early in exposure to be missed.
Further, if I am with my son who is 10 and has no phone, wouldn't it be a good idea to say the day and the location of potential exposure. So I could say I was with my son or whomever that doesn't have a phone. Will this system let us know the location and date?
Well, if there’s one thing, it’s obvious it’s not clear to you, this app is not intended to solve anything, it’s intended to provide another gateway from companies like Apple to help combat/reduce C/19.
No. Privacy. Thats exactly the data that would be great to have but is not allowed.
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When did you last submit an App to the store?
Not being caught? Thats a joke, right?
The spec is the spec for now, but once it’s in place expect that changes which increase tracking and decrease security and privacy will be met with little resistance.
More so apps not being vetted. Happens often already. Boundaries crossed.
How in the world did I prove your point? Do you understand ideas like facts, causation v correlation, really anything on this topic at all? No one — I repeat, NO ONE — ever said that contact tracing was meant to be a replacement in any way, shape or form for a vaccine. No one said contact tracing will "solve" the outbreak (whatever the hell that means), what it is actually for is to collect data to understand how it moves in relation to particular areas, if and when it increases so we can predict an oncoming second wave. This is tech, not medicine — but we need both to effectively handle the virus until a vaccine can be produced. since we don't know when that will be, we should use all methods available to us to reduce the spread so we do not overrun our medical/support infrastructure.
If you still want to ignore facts, science and all common sense and frankly, be selfish — you are free to opt-out and not help those around you. You are free to do so. This isn't 1985, you are just attempting to make your (seemingly intentionally) uninformed opinion appear more informed then it obviously is.
Live out in the country, mind your own business, and use a land-line for your phone - everything will be fine. Society is becoming so addicted to tech that it will become far easier, as time goes on, to step away from the "game". The natural world is the real gem, not technology (and I'm a life-long geek). JMHO.
It will be install in the background with the next OS update without asking you, and won't give you the option to turn it off.
The only thing it will give to these companies and others is the opportunity to test new tech and surveillance systems in the name of "health".
Yeah this is my problem with it, too. Apple can do all the right things. What happens when some dumb android app gets in on it and simply does whatever it wants? Why does that app have to do it differently? Why can’t that app just hoard all the keys and still upload them to a central server unprotected in an Amazon S3 bucket (like so many things are)? That breaks the entire publicity Apple just spent their time and effort doing.
In bed with Google is a bad idea. This will go poorly. All those keys will be uploaded and unsecured. They will be traced back. Apple can anonymize all they want, but it’s the third party that will break the chain.
This will fail.
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This isn’t just the Apple App Store anymore. Google is in on it. THEY, and their apps, will track every shred of that “metadata” along with all the keys. It will happen. This whole house of cards is going to fall, because of Google.
Apple made a very bad gamble. It will blow back entirely on them, and Google will be non culpable because “android” and “open source”.
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And I hoped Apple would not join the most corrupt and criminal deep state operations in their pursuit of further enslaving humanity.
Totally agree man there is more important things in the world besides the flu.
I would think it would be very easy for Apple to make sure that API isn't being used during its approval process.
My iPhone is broadcasting 150 Bluetooth LE advertisements per minute already. Since I updated my Mac to an OS version supporting Auto Unlock, my watch does the same.
I really wouldn't be concerned by contact tracing making the Bluetooth battery impact any worse than it already is.
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Lapses in app vetting/approval have been down to the human review aspect. Checks on API calls are totally automated as by definition it's impossible to hide them. An app can't ask iOS for data without iOS knowing the app is asking it for data.
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The sub-thread you're quoting is referring to third party apps having unapproved access to the data, not the recording of the data itself at the OS level.
Because Apple users by and large, aren't technically literate. Apple makes products "for the rest of us", remember?
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Depraved indifference lawsuit.
Have fun in Galt's Gulch.
The way this works isn't that Apple would need to "catch" them trying via code analysis. If the app isn't approved to use it, Apple won't give the app the relevant entitlement in the code signature. If it doesn't have the entitlement, the OS doesn't let it use the API. If you maliciously try to use the API in your app in an obfuscated way without Apple noticing, it still won't work.
This is the same way only bank apps are allowed to add cards to your Wallet, and only approved map apps can use the CarPlay APIs.
"my rights are being violated"... sent from my iPhone
You can choose not to buy a cell phone. Problem solved for all those worried about this.
You can choose not to buy a cell phone. Problem solved for all those worried about this.
Apple/Google should add an app feature that lets you delete the phone-to-phone contact data from the last N minutes. That way, if you're close to someone else when there's a barrier (like a window) between you, you can prevent it from being recorded as a contact event. If one of you later gets COVID-19, it will prevent a false alarm from being sent to the other person.