My wording probably wasn’t conveyed very well here. I meant in the sense of becoming more aware of giving users the necessary alerts From one smartphone to another to those confirmed with C/19, but as you said, they have to share the API. I wasn’t indicating like...A situational awareness type of setting, just how your advised of those around you.
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Apple Lays Groundwork for Coronavirus Exposure Notification API in iOS 13.5 Beta 3 and New Xcode 11.5 Beta [Updated]
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My wording probably wasn’t conveyed very well here. I meant in the sense of becoming more aware of giving users the necessary alerts From one smartphone to another to those confirmed with C/19, but as you said, they have to share the API. I wasn’t indicating like...A situational awareness type of setting, just how your advised of those around you.
Contract tracing is mostly irrelevant at this point. What we need is vaccination/test/COVID status, not contact tracing.
And in any case without rapid testing this is pointless; the longer the wait for results the less useful contact tracing becomes. And if active asymptomatic spreaders are out there this won't matter.
This is fighting the next war, not the current war. That doesn't mean it's bad, just that it's not important.
And in any case without rapid testing this is pointless; the longer the wait for results the less useful contact tracing becomes. And if active asymptomatic spreaders are out there this won't matter.
This is fighting the next war, not the current war. That doesn't mean it's bad, just that it's not important.
There are ways of finding out. The app developer would have to file for a HIPPA waiver.
This would be public info.
If the feds gave a blanket waiver for COVID19 tracking apps, that too would be public info.
That is what they want you to believe.
Once the Pandora's box is opened, it is opened.
Essentially opening a backdoor.
I think it’s obvious we need a vaccination, but that’s possibly two years out from recent predictions for ‘large scale‘. I think contact tracing has its potential advantages, but the question is, how do you get everybody on board with the API/with tracing? I know our local government in my area is heavily researching into contact tracing, but at what point does it become irrelevant when the situation has proven to be overwhelmingly out of control? I think any ‘tools’ at this point is a necessary precaution versus just saying it’s pointless, being we’re still learning so much every day about the transmission of C/19.
If you’re that afraid, shouldn’t you be afraid of 5G towers that kill you, and Bill Gates injecting you with microchips?
As Apple has already said, you can’t just click a button to say that you’ve been diagnosed. It needs to have a valid medical report from your doctor, etc.
What we need is contact tracing to lower the infection rate. If you have any other ideas that keep infection rate down, great.
These are just a few of the conspiracy theories that make me laugh.
sounds like it’s gonna be a mess, at least here in Germany most if not everything is still done on paper.
The other day I wanted to access some of my medical data, I am still waiting for the delivery man to bring me the letter with the authentication code on it. By that time I could have already infected a lot of people
Read up on the second wave of the Spanish flu and then tell me you still believe that. We are less than a year away from a vaccine, contact tracing lets us know if there is an uptick in infections in specific areas so that a more effective and coordinated response can be rolled out rather than a blanket response. Any information on how it is spreading is more than relevant — especially for those complaining about how specialists knew so little about this new strain in it's early days. More data (and data sharing) means a better understanding of how it behaves as well as letting us know if what we are doing (isolation/social distancing) is as effective as we think.
Unfortunately those only cover the API themselves.
That info is great and nice to know.
It's whatever app that uses the API that would need to be inspected.
Look, whatever you think Apple might secretly put into this API, they could have put into your phone long ago.
Which in my opinion, there in lies the problem, how many confirmed individuals with C/19 are actually visiting their doctor? (Rhetorical) Most of them are being informed to stay home to fully recover. In my area, they’re telling positive individuals to not visit your doctor unless you have severe respiratory issues.
This whole approach seems technically similar to "The Scarlet Letter". A book from long ago.
A phrase I always remember from my early engineering PM days:
"When in Danger,
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Run in Circles,
Scream and Shout"
A phrase I always remember from my early engineering PM days:
"When in Danger,
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When in Doubt
Run in Circles,
Scream and Shout"
If so much as a single business anywhere even just coerces at all any of their employees to use this feature lest their job or application be in peril at all or for customers to show they're using it, then I NEVER want to hear any of you claim it's "only voluntary" ever again. This point really needs to be driven home to you who keep parroting the "voluntary" claim --
Effectively. Mandatory. Does. Not. Mean. Voluntary.
Effectively. Mandatory. Does. Not. Mean. Voluntary.
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Sorry you're dealing with it. And my sympathies for your friends. I can't deny that this thing is nasty. I've been treating COVID patients. (Up until I started my own quarantine last Friday. Situation settled enough at work that I can go back to my normal department. Just have to take 2 weeks off first to make sure I don't have any symptoms pop up myself).
That being said...I'm not on board with this. I'm not buying into the argument that this is even necessary. If someone wants to track our location, there are "umpteen" countless other ways they can (and already) do it. Which means this extra one...isn't necessary. And I also believe that Apple (a company that constantly talks about their stance and devotion to privacy) is taking a hell of a risky gamble with this by partnering with Google (the unmatched king of privacy violations). This one move could cost Apple all the trust they have garnered if news comes out that something went wrong or that it's not actually private. They can SAY this is private and secure all they want. But is it really? This thing is going to be a constant battle between Apple's publicly known dedication to privacy...and Google's publicly known history of not giving a crap about privacy. If I had to look for one thing that I think could positively come from this...is that Apple MIGHT be able to teach Google a thing or two about honesty, transparency, and privacy. Maybe their strong stance on it will rub off on Google.
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Yep, I can vouch for that one. It was only RECENTLY (and I'm talking like the last two weeks), that my hospital was able to start testing people who WANT one. Not just those who saw a doctor who sent them to us. This can only be effective if testing is as well. And in many places...testing is a major issue.
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Spot on.
But some, wearing their usual tin hats, will congregate against your reasoned logic and spell some idiotic, nefarious scenario -- this until they, or their loved ones, get hit in the mouth by the virus. Then they will go silent or even better, become true believers of contact tracing.
Haven’t left the house in weeks.
*coronavirus alert pops up*
The alert is coming from inside the house!
Horror movies in 5 years probably.
*coronavirus alert pops up*
The alert is coming from inside the house!
Horror movies in 5 years probably.
You got to be kidding, right? That is a change of variables — of course, a change of variables is a whole different story. That's a goal post being moved. Mandatory has never meant voluntary in any capacity. If an employer acts contrary to the expectations, we would be beside you in agreement. The thing is you can say that about anything. I have an expectation that I don't require my employer physically hand me a check, it gets deposited directly by giving my employer my bank info — I have to trust that Friday morning funds will be in my account. I'm not going to demand the employer pay my by hand because I don't trust direct deposit unless a scenario occurs where I don't get my money.
You can't dismiss a program with a ton of benefits on the off-hand chance someone will abuse it without there being an example of abuse. If that's the case our general way of life would change drastically. Just about anything can be abused beyond to the point of no return without oversite.
How many of these people had background diseases and what was their age ?
That means nothing — many people have died due to COVID because of other illnesses they didn't even know they had. Hell, one soccer coach died due to COVID at 20, only realizing he had leukemia after he was actually tested for COVID. Died 4 days later. Young, middle-aged, old... doesn't matter. People of all ages are dying — implying that only some need to be concerned is callous and low when you can be asymptomatic and unknowingly pass it to someone who doesn't know they are ill-equipt to survive a battle with it.
Stop looking for "gotcha facts" to support selfishness.