Apple LCD Updates

[nuckinfutz]

HD 23" = ~$1499 (assuming this price)
HD 30" = $2999

That makes TWO 23" the same price as the 30". Seems a little steep. Apple would rake in orders if the 30" were prices at $2499.

They still will rake in the orders. There are a few people that need the large screens(stock brokers etc) who for particular reasons can't "join" two smaller monitors. The 30" will be expensive but like all else the prices will shift down.

 

[Grimace]

Thinksecret had to take down the artist renditions of the new displays (maybe too accurate) - does anyone know of a mirror site or did anyone save the images??

 

[puckhead193]

If only a 30" would fit in a college dorm....I hope they make "new" monitors and not just drop the price of the 20 and 23. Do you think they will keep the same white/clear shell?

 

[LaMerVipere]

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Actually, technically $999 is sub $1000 (sorry to be nit-picky but it is). Plus if you are eligible for education discount, the prices will be lower.

"Lower" indeed, but no where near the cost of $599 right now with edu. discount for a 17" Apple Display.

a 20" will probably end up being $899 with edu. discount, that's a huge price difference from the low end as of now.

 

[diego]

Thinksecret had to take down the artist renditions of the new displays (maybe too accurate) - does anyone know of a mirror site or did anyone save the images??

This is the image on the original Appleinsider article, they also took it down

Edit: This pic actually looks just like Thinksecret's, but in color.

 

[narco]

Yes, but serious graphic designers cannot use LCDs because the color is still inferior to CRTs.

I still think it's a shame that Apple discontinued making CRTs a few years ago...

Well when all those "serious graphic designers" go blind after using CRT's all day, I'll take all their jobs.

// narco

 

[virividox]

well 500 plus days its about time!!! i really am excited to see the new designs

 

[Calvinatir]

just went and bought a lottery ticket...numbers 2 17 21 27 42 15
If I win...im buying dual 30's and the Dual 2.5's... That's about the only way im gettin them!

 

[eric_n_dfw]

Back to standards (I hope)

According to sources, the new 30-inch display could not be powered through the company's traditional Apple Display Connector (ADC), and as a result the revised models are said to feature a new Digital Visual Interface (DVI) connector

I sure hope "new" in that last sentence means, "new to Apple". I never really understood the whole ADC thing. Why wouldn't they want to use the DVI standard? Oh, maybe PC owners might buy one - that would be terrible wouldn't it!

Seriously, though, I hope "new" doesn't mean, the new Apple DVI connector.

 

[coolfactor]

I sure hope "new" in that last sentence means, "new to Apple". I never really understood the whole ADC thing. Why wouldn't they want to use the DVI standard? Oh, maybe PC owners might buy one - that would be terrible wouldn't it!

Seriously, though, I hope "new" doesn't mean, the new Apple DVI connector.

Agreed. They boast about supporting standards, and they even include DVI support on their machines, but insist on using a proprietary ADC connector. It sounds, though, that they've made a wise move and kept the new line of monitors consistent... "the 30 inch can't use ADC, so we'll go DVI for everything". Smart move.

 

[macridah]

I hope everything in the article is true, except for the price.

I would get the 23"; 30 might be too big. I'll see next week at the WWDC if they have one there. I use to think 23 was too lavish.

7 more days til WWDC. I'm hope I don't go crazy by then.

 

[PowerMacMan]

Thinksecret had to take down the artist renditions of the new displays (maybe too accurate) - does anyone know of a mirror site or did anyone save the images??

Here are the exact ones from TS...

 

[Analog Kid]

High Definition. Video people are eagerly looking use HD LCD for monitoring because they map each pixel to HD video. The resolution needed for HD is 1980 x 1080. LCD are progressive meaning they display the image in one frame. Perfect for monitoring. The 20" doesn't support 1080 HD so it's not going to provide the same results. However the 30" doesn't look to have a native resolution of 1980 x 1200 pixels so it might not be the best solution. I think video people will keep purchasing the 23" and others that need screen real estate will go for 30"

I think the resolution of the 30" is meant for folks that do full HD video editing-- so they need the 1980x1080 and room for toolbars and such.

Can't really do that by splitting across two monitors. I guess you could put some of the toolbars there, but it would be a pain...

 

[sworthy]

Wow - I'm surprised that the price drops are not more significant...

are you kidding? The 20" for under a thousand is an amazing deal, try finding a similar display from anyone. The 23" isn't being cut that much, but it will still be right around where the 23" hp is (the cheapest 23" widescreen I know about). Obviously the 30" is expensive, but for what it is, and what a 22" cost when it came out, it's a solid deal.

I personally am disappointed in the lack of a 17" widescreen option, but now I think apple (or someone selling an "old/current" 20") is going to be receiving a couple hundred more than I was thinking about originally.

 

[Analog Kid]

"Lower" indeed, but no where near the cost of $599 right now with edu. discount for a 17" Apple Display.

a 20" will probably end up being $899 with edu. discount, that's a huge price difference from the low end as of now.

Funny. If Apple sold it at a price that made sense for them, they'd get abused for being too expensive. If they decide not to participate in the low end display market they get abused for not having an offering...

I don't think Apple wants to get into the business of fighting for crumbs in the low end display business-- especially when you figure there's very little has to offer other than a-slightly-different-rectangular-box.

They're sticking to the high end to support their key graphic design markets and other folk who are more worried about price can buy a commodity display.

 

[alexf]

Well when all those "serious graphic designers" go blind after using CRT's all day, I'll take all their jobs.

// narco

Honestly, I don't think that an LCD display is any easier on the eyes than a good CRT.

Does anyone have any evidence for this?

You may have had a bad experience with one of the CRTs that IS hard on the eyes.

In any case, staring at a flourescent light all day (i.e. an LCD monitor) cannot be healthy by any account...

 

[alexf]

are you kidding? The 20" for under a thousand is an amazing deal, try finding a similar display from anyone. The 23" isn't being cut that much, but it will still be right around where the 23" hp is (the cheapest 23" widescreen I know about). Obviously the 30" is expensive, but for what it is, and what a 22" cost when it came out, it's a solid deal.

I personally am disappointed in the lack of a 17" widescreen option, but now I think apple (or someone selling an "old/current" 20") is going to be receiving a couple hundred more than I was thinking about originally.

No, I'm not kidding.

The current 20" display price of $1299 was set 18 months ago. Since then the technology has become cheaper and LCD prices have dropped quite a bit.

Although this newer model will obviously sport some improvements over the older ones, I think the price should be a least another $100 less for the 20" model than the rumor states, especially if this display will be the entry model.

 

[Dahl]

Actually, wasn't there something about that LCD's held their price or even went up a bit, since demand was so great ?

 

[eric_n_dfw]

LCD are progressive meaning they display the image in one frame. Perfect for monitoring.

For the record, just about every VGA or better CRT monitor sold in the past 10 years is progressive too - and at even higher refresh rates. The last interlaced computer monitor I used was in '93 on my old Amiga 500.

 

[Dahl]

I think the resolution of the 30" is meant for folks that do full HD video editing-- so they need the 1980x1080 and room for toolbars and such.

Can't really do that by splitting across two monitors. I guess you could put some of the toolbars there, but it would be a pain...

I think some people like the 30", but many video editors prefer dual monitor set up. Many have a set up that include a couple of monitors and a TV for testing. Those things take up a lot of space. What I do think some video (and others) people might like is the 30" for a meeting or presention room. I know people who use projectors, but might look at the 30" now.

 

[JGowan]

something is inherantly wrong when my monitor costs as much as my computer.

Advice time: get a 21" CRT and be happy.

What's INHERANT is that people with money will always want the very best and that always come at a price. These monitors are not for everybody.

This does three things...

1) It provides an incredible experience for those who can afford it.
2) It creates a dream in those who can't afford it to say "one damn day, i'm getting one of those!" -- and eventually the dream is realized.
3) The early adopters cause the price to eventually go down for the rest of us "po' folk".

Think about the 22" Display (1600 x 1024) four years ago at $3999... and now, soon, we might just see the current 20" (1680 x 1050) drop to less than a $1K. Just 4 years and a brighter and better, though slightly smaller display is 1/4 the price.

I'm actually person #2... the guy with the dream. When the 23" HD dropped to $1999, I jumped on it with both feet. I have never regretted it. The experience justifies the money everytime I wake the beautiful thing up.

Eventually, this whole LCD panel thing will be yesterday's news and the new thing (probably OLED) will make all this high-priced flat panels a whole lot less.

 

[Borg3of5]

20" or 23"

I'm thinking that $899-999 for a 20" sounds too good to be true. Unless, of course, the 17" DOES go away. With an edu discount this would be nice; and even better if the 23" hovers around $1399-1499. Let's hope Apple doesn't snafus the pricing scheme.

In light of the assumption by Apple that every iPod/iPod mini user drives a BMW, this might no be a good sign that pricing for the new displays would be competitive.

Here's to hoping, and only 7 days waiting.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

Bigger is almost always better!

No - this is not some spam about, ahem, male enhancements!

I do two things with my computers:

9 to 5 (more like 9 to 9 lately) I'm a software developer and use Eclipse and/or IntelliJ on my G4 with dual 19" CRT's running 1280x1024 each and I'd hook up a 3rd if I had another PCI video card for it. Code geeks like me need all the screen real estate we can get! I'd use 2 30" LCD's if I could convince my manager to sign for it!

At the home office, I do video editing with Final Cut Pro, Soundtrack, LiveType, Photoshop, etc... I've got a 19" CRT (1280x1024) and a 17" CRT (1024x768) which barely fit on the desk. As well as an NTSC preview monitor (15" maybe). Truthfully, I could get ditch both CRT's for a 23" LCD but if I ever started working in HD, that 30" would be perfect. (Add the old 17" on the side for email and whatnot. No matter what, I'd still have to have a CRT based preview monitor too.

 

[narco]

Honestly, I don't think that an LCD display is any easier on the eyes than a good CRT.

Does anyone have any evidence for this?

You may have had a bad experience with one of the CRTs that IS hard on the eyes.

In any case, staring at a flourescent light all day (i.e. an LCD monitor) cannot be healthy by any account...

Now that you mention the fluorescent light, my eyes are starting to strain. Maybe all this stuff is in my head.

// narco

 

[eric_n_dfw]

I think some people like the 30", but many video editors prefer dual monitor set up. Many have a set up that include a couple of monitors and a TV for testing. Those things take up a lot of space. What I do think some video (and others) people might like is the 30" for a meeting or presention room. I know people who use projectors, but might look at the 30" now.

Yeah, come to think of it, I think I'd rather have a pair of 23" LCD's for FCP than a singe 30". (If only my wife would quit hiding the credit cards!)