alexf said:
Well, CRTs constantly refresh and wear out your eyes... each pixel on an LCD says lit until they change, and your eyes won't get as tired...
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Well, CRTs constantly refresh and wear out your eyes... each pixel on an LCD says lit until they change, and your eyes won't get as tired...
sworthy said:
While $999 for 20.1" isn't expensive, it isn't cheap either, you can get a 20.1" Sony(no widescreen, but more pixels, depends on what your preference is) from newegg.com for about $950 or so. But if you have the edu/developer discount, that makes Apple's all the more enticing. Plus it matches! Never a bad thing.
Evidence? (about "wearing out your eyes")ZildjianKX said:
If you can see the flicker, you're running at to low a refresh rate.
I've been spending multiple hours a day in front of computer monitors since I was in 6th grade (1983 I think - see my sig line
), many at very low refresh rates. Yet I still have better than 20/20 according to the eye doctor last year. 'taint wearing mine out.
Difference Between LCD and CRT...
Hmm... I don't know anything about eye strain, other than the fact that since the newer CRT monitors can run at rates of 100+ Hz, there shouldn't be any eye strain. My old CRT monitor runs at 75, and I don't have any problem with that at all. One thing I do notice between the two monitors is the clarity. Going from even the LCD screen on my POS XP Box to my CRT monitor on my G3 is like night and day. The LCD is much brighter, and when I play in the morning in the dark right when I wake up, I actually have to turn it down so I don't blind myself! The CRT is also much "fuzzier" than the LCD. When reading small text on the CRT monitor, I almost have to squint my eyes, especially when running at higher resolutions. (And no, my eyesight is 20/20, so I'm sure it's not my eyes.) These are the reasons Apple doesn't produce CRT monitors... They're not Apple's style ;-) (Being everything has to be perfect and clear)
Hmm... I don't know anything about eye strain, other than the fact that since the newer CRT monitors can run at rates of 100+ Hz, there shouldn't be any eye strain. My old CRT monitor runs at 75, and I don't have any problem with that at all. One thing I do notice between the two monitors is the clarity. Going from even the LCD screen on my POS XP Box to my CRT monitor on my G3 is like night and day. The LCD is much brighter, and when I play in the morning in the dark right when I wake up, I actually have to turn it down so I don't blind myself! The CRT is also much "fuzzier" than the LCD. When reading small text on the CRT monitor, I almost have to squint my eyes, especially when running at higher resolutions. (And no, my eyesight is 20/20, so I'm sure it's not my eyes.) These are the reasons Apple doesn't produce CRT monitors... They're not Apple's style ;-) (Being everything has to be perfect and clear)
From what I gather there are alot of cinema displays in the channel right now.
If Apple releases the new versions in about a week, I wonder how much they would cut the existing displays. If they are selling the new 20" model for $999, how about $799 for the old 20" model. At that price I would be very tempted to get the old model, even though I have been holding off (impatiently) my purchase a PowerMac 2.0GHz until the new displays are released.
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If Apple releases the new versions in about a week, I wonder how much they would cut the existing displays. If they are selling the new 20" model for $999, how about $799 for the old 20" model. At that price I would be very tempted to get the old model, even though I have been holding off (impatiently) my purchase a PowerMac 2.0GHz until the new displays are released.
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LaMerVipere said:Grr, no sub $1000 Apple Display?!?!
Darn it all!
Totally agree! I cannot believe Apple would do this. It wouldn't be that hard to off the 17" widescreen display used in the iMac/PowerBook. That is beautiful display. I think they would sell more 17" displays than 20, 23, or 30" displays. Some people don't like huge displays, nor do they have the room for them.
This totally sucks if this is true. One of the worst things they can ever do is make someone buy a $1,000 display after forking out $2,000 for the low end PowerMac G5.
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I honestly don't know why people complain on this board (then again its always amusing)
Seriously, People compare Intel, AMD, MS, Sony, Etc to Apple fair.
Why do you care if its a few dollars cheaper I mean when you go to a store and buy a shirt or paint will you settle for a $2 shirt of one that cost $25. If you don't like the price buy something else a shirt is a shirt (exception of design)
Same with a Car sure a Ford has 4 wheels, doors, motor, etc... However its your choice if you choose to buy a Ford or a BMW.
Don't have the money save and stop posting your lust for something you can't obtain as of yet, and if you are lucky to have the best great.
If you feel that sony has a better lcd display go get it for $49 cheaper and stop crying about it over this board.
Now where is my 30inch HD lcd from Apple
Seriously, People compare Intel, AMD, MS, Sony, Etc to Apple fair.
Why do you care if its a few dollars cheaper I mean when you go to a store and buy a shirt or paint will you settle for a $2 shirt of one that cost $25. If you don't like the price buy something else a shirt is a shirt (exception of design)
Same with a Car sure a Ford has 4 wheels, doors, motor, etc... However its your choice if you choose to buy a Ford or a BMW.
Don't have the money save and stop posting your lust for something you can't obtain as of yet, and if you are lucky to have the best great.
If you feel that sony has a better lcd display go get it for $49 cheaper and stop crying about it over this board.
Now where is my 30inch HD lcd from Apple
The problem is that the larger they make the display, the larger they make the resolution.
So everything still remains tiny on the screen, unless one enlarges the fonts and such enormously. And then, some details/fonts won't enlarge.
My 23" ACD-HD is large. but I am unhappy with the high resolution. I would prefer a lower resolution and more easy to read and see detailing and text. My SONY 24" (22.5" viewable) CRTs can use 1600 x 1000 resolution, and that is easier to read and use, IMO.
If the Apple OS had the complete customizing of the desktop that Windows has had for years, it would be fine. In windows one can enlarge and choose the color of everything in the desktop. With Apple's OS that is not possible.....a great failing, IMO.
From the rumors, the 30" will have some ridiculously high resolution that keeps details still as small as on the 23".
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So everything still remains tiny on the screen, unless one enlarges the fonts and such enormously. And then, some details/fonts won't enlarge.
My 23" ACD-HD is large. but I am unhappy with the high resolution. I would prefer a lower resolution and more easy to read and see detailing and text. My SONY 24" (22.5" viewable) CRTs can use 1600 x 1000 resolution, and that is easier to read and use, IMO.
If the Apple OS had the complete customizing of the desktop that Windows has had for years, it would be fine. In windows one can enlarge and choose the color of everything in the desktop. With Apple's OS that is not possible.....a great failing, IMO.
From the rumors, the 30" will have some ridiculously high resolution that keeps details still as small as on the 23".
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MBAnstendig said:
You can change the lcd resolution:
SysPref > Displays >Display
hope that helps and fixes the issue.
HDMI Interface maybe?
I really hope Apple uses HDMI instead of DVI.
HDMI is the new replacement standard which is backwards compatible with DVI.
www.hdmi.org/
It uses a smaller plug, has much high bandwidth and can take uncompressed video and audio. So maybe Apple will put a audio out or even speakers on the monitor.
This would be cutting edge and I really hope they use it instead of DVI.
I really hope Apple uses HDMI instead of DVI.
HDMI is the new replacement standard which is backwards compatible with DVI.
www.hdmi.org/
It uses a smaller plug, has much high bandwidth and can take uncompressed video and audio. So maybe Apple will put a audio out or even speakers on the monitor.
This would be cutting edge and I really hope they use it instead of DVI.
Analog Kid said:
Well need I remind you that the majority of Apple's customers are not in the graphic design business? If they want to lose all the business they would otherwise gain in the 17" LCD market that's their masochism for ya.
And its not that some people can't AFFORD a bigger display, its that they just aren't going to pay a thousand dollars for the lowest priced Apple Display. $1000 = an iBook G4, it's a tad insane not to have a more competitively priced solution from Apple.
You are calling the 17" LCD market "crumbs"? I say, it's hardly crumbs.
Wow, that's a refreshing opinion; quite different than most people who seem to be clamoring for even (ridiculously) higher resolution than what Apple offers. Personally I think the resolution of Apple's displays is a good compromise, not too high and not too low. I'll be the first in line for a new 23", especially if it's cheaper than the current model.MBAnstendig said:
with 30 inches i'd be tempted to use my mac as a movie theater. now if they just had a little box with a DVD player, HD TV tuner, hard drive for recording stuff, and maybe a way to wireless network with my laptop and stuff, that would be cool. maybe you could jury-rig an Xserve with a wicked audio card and video card and tv tuner and airport stuff. if i were a rich man.
Apple doesn't compete in the low-end market. Apparently they don't want to sell displays with low margins, just like they don't want to sell computers with low margins. IMO, the only reason Apple offers the eMac is so they don't lose the entire education market. The $100 per unit or so they would make on low end stuff is hardly worth bothering with and such products would compete against their own higher end products.LaMerVipere said:
Many Mac owners respect the quality of Apple products so they really want Apple displays. They might be satisfied with a $500 17" Apple LCD and then Apple would loose a sale of a $1000 20" model. This is just my opinion.
oh my god...
lower resolutions are native ones... panther automatically shows the recommended resolutions. this talk of lower resolutions is rediculous. take down the resolution if it is to high... this is the weirdest argument for a monitor i have heard. and the reason people are going to buy the 30 and 23 are that if things go the wyt the rumors are pointing, then they have HD inputs as well, which means not only do you have a giant sweet-ass monitor, but you can also have an apple designed HD widescreen lcd flatpanel TV. and if they match or beat a 2999.00 price point they will be offering a nice piece of equipment at a price that many manufacturers have yet to beat. they would probably corner the market if they actually offered it at 1999.00 since people would buy them simply for use as a flat panel HD monitor. what better for an apple fanatic than to have apple in your entertainment center as well.
lower resolutions are native ones... panther automatically shows the recommended resolutions. this talk of lower resolutions is rediculous. take down the resolution if it is to high... this is the weirdest argument for a monitor i have heard. and the reason people are going to buy the 30 and 23 are that if things go the wyt the rumors are pointing, then they have HD inputs as well, which means not only do you have a giant sweet-ass monitor, but you can also have an apple designed HD widescreen lcd flatpanel TV. and if they match or beat a 2999.00 price point they will be offering a nice piece of equipment at a price that many manufacturers have yet to beat. they would probably corner the market if they actually offered it at 1999.00 since people would buy them simply for use as a flat panel HD monitor. what better for an apple fanatic than to have apple in your entertainment center as well.
technocoy said:
I'm surprised this is the first mention of this in this thread. Those flat-panel TVs are the biggest premium-consumer thing going. I've been thinking of various permutations myself (like, why not just spend the money on a video projecter, as I have a PB, and use the big white wall as a second screen, plus be able to screen videos and DVDs). I'll bet they anticipated that a lot of people are hoping to have it do double duty to add to their home theater and watch DVDs, and even rig up some sort of tuner adapter thing till an integrated one arrives, thus justifying the price ("honey, we'll have a big computer monitor AND one of those big flat panel TVs,").
glad someone finally sees...
YUP. Apple IS making their way into the living room... gateway and dell did it the cheap way, and apple is going to do it the beng olufsen way...HA HA! YES! i can't wait!
YUP. Apple IS making their way into the living room... gateway and dell did it the cheap way, and apple is going to do it the beng olufsen way...HA HA! YES! i can't wait!
My comment was the result of crazy people I've heard talk of wanting 1600x1200 on a 12" or 15" screen, that's all. Resolutions at about 100 pixels per inch are just fine for the current OS.technocoy said:
Sorry, but your price is crazy talk too. If Apple sold 30" high resolution displays for $1999, they'd probably be losing $500 apiece (based on the rumor of what suggested retail might actually be). It's nice to dream of amazing prices but let's get back to reality.
I agree, a 30" Apple display would make a heck of a nice HDTV monitor!
technocoy said:
Are you sure about that? Every LCD I've seen looks noticably worse at lower resolutions. Even Apple's specs. list only one resolution as "optimum."
I'm very happy with a 19" LCD at 1280x1024. That's approximately 86 dpi, compared to 95 - 100 dpi for Apple's displays.
noel4r said:
Some slack here wuld be nice
He feels the same way i do from a previous post today. $999 would be the starting point for a monitor for the PM G5's. For some like myself the $699 was a good price point, $999 may force me to another brand.
I hope Apple doesn't throw away the 17". It's such a good buy for someone in a store. I see these things sold at Compusa and Apple Stores quite a bit. A lower price would be great too.
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