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cgratti
macrumors 6502a
Why shouldn't the average Joe be able to test out software on his own? If I can get OS X to run efficiently on my PC then I should be allowed to. If I didnt steal any secrets from apple and stumbled across this on my own then I dont see a problem.
How far do you think the computer world would be if people didnt test stuff lke this? Not as far as we are now.
Take Napster for example, yea it is wrong to download free music off the net, but now they have the pay sites that napster paved the way for. There will always be piracy, and illegal software floating around. People are just going to have to manage it better.
How far do you think the computer world would be if people didnt test stuff lke this? Not as far as we are now.
Take Napster for example, yea it is wrong to download free music off the net, but now they have the pay sites that napster paved the way for. There will always be piracy, and illegal software floating around. People are just going to have to manage it better.
EricNau
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Mac on a PC? I hope not!
If Apple were to start selling thier OS to be used on a PC (such as a Dell, or HP) it would be horrible for them. It sounds like a good idea at first, Apple would make a lot of money (maybe), but once the PC's started wearing out, everything would get blamed on Apple, even if it was a CD drive from HP that went bad. Most people that would buy a Mac OS for their PC would jump at any chance to prove that it was all Apple's fault, and before you know it everyone would go run out and buy Windows.
Apple is a hardware company that has always made things better than others, and I think that is half of the product, and if you lose that half, you might as well kiss Apple good-bye.
If Apple were to start selling thier OS to be used on a PC (such as a Dell, or HP) it would be horrible for them. It sounds like a good idea at first, Apple would make a lot of money (maybe), but once the PC's started wearing out, everything would get blamed on Apple, even if it was a CD drive from HP that went bad. Most people that would buy a Mac OS for their PC would jump at any chance to prove that it was all Apple's fault, and before you know it everyone would go run out and buy Windows.
Apple is a hardware company that has always made things better than others, and I think that is half of the product, and if you lose that half, you might as well kiss Apple good-bye.
If I have to pay $300 for OSX instead of $350 for XP, I, and many others will go for OSX in an instant... so long as I don't have to upgrade every year and a bit, applying lots of improperly tested patches (Which I will point out, has been a problem of late)
Release a decent Office application, and I think Apple can rest easy.
/Apple's lawyers need to be muzzled.
Release a decent Office application, and I think Apple can rest easy.
/Apple's lawyers need to be muzzled.
duffman9000
macrumors 68020
I haven't hit on a mac-only site about OSX on Intel, but i hope people understand it's a futile effort to prevent hacked version from appearing. What most people haven't experienced is the speed of these hacked version. Even without proper ata drivers which really limit hard disk access (~3-5 MB/s) OS X still rocks on intel and amd systems.
And this is without QE. Only a select people can enable QE, but even without it OS X still runs fast. Kinda like a G5, but at 1/4 of the price.
What Apple should really worry about is people installing OS X on centrino-based laptops. These would put to shame any current powerbook and its almost too tempting to pass up.
Apple legal can and will try every means at their disposal. I expect Apple to learn and study(i'm positive they've been in on this), and then really lock down OS X when it is released. But by then the community will have had a year to port drivers. And that's the only thing holding people back.
Make both of our lives easier, just sell us a legit copy.
And this is without QE. Only a select people can enable QE, but even without it OS X still runs fast. Kinda like a G5, but at 1/4 of the price.
What Apple should really worry about is people installing OS X on centrino-based laptops. These would put to shame any current powerbook and its almost too tempting to pass up.
Apple legal can and will try every means at their disposal. I expect Apple to learn and study(i'm positive they've been in on this), and then really lock down OS X when it is released. But by then the community will have had a year to port drivers. And that's the only thing holding people back.
Make both of our lives easier, just sell us a legit copy.
Otto Rehhagel
macrumors regular
Apple's NEW Marketing Plan
I believe we are witnessing genius on the part of Apple. It is a new strategy to get people to turn to OS X.
They know that people like to pirate software, music, movies. They know its illegal, but it is the only way this OS X "fire" can spread.
Traditional methods of marketing go only so far, especially with Apple's OS which has been trying to gain in market share since I was a child.
I know this has been mentioned before, but please have a look at this again:
Apple on the Brink
Some Macophiles may throw up at the idea that Apple is inflicting damage on itself, but they have a long-term strategy, something that may just work, and will be fun to see it play through.
I believe that once people are done using their pirated version of OS X, they will realize that $129 to shell out for the full featured, secure version later on is a great deal for an advanced operating system. This is not a naive point of view I am giving, just a new insight. I refuse to believe that Apple would release an OS to the masses and expect that no one will copy/modify it--I mean, it is so obvious that it was so easily hackable ON PURPOSE. Think about it.
I believe we are witnessing genius on the part of Apple. It is a new strategy to get people to turn to OS X.
They know that people like to pirate software, music, movies. They know its illegal, but it is the only way this OS X "fire" can spread.
Traditional methods of marketing go only so far, especially with Apple's OS which has been trying to gain in market share since I was a child.
I know this has been mentioned before, but please have a look at this again:
Apple on the Brink
Some Macophiles may throw up at the idea that Apple is inflicting damage on itself, but they have a long-term strategy, something that may just work, and will be fun to see it play through.
I believe that once people are done using their pirated version of OS X, they will realize that $129 to shell out for the full featured, secure version later on is a great deal for an advanced operating system. This is not a naive point of view I am giving, just a new insight. I refuse to believe that Apple would release an OS to the masses and expect that no one will copy/modify it--I mean, it is so obvious that it was so easily hackable ON PURPOSE. Think about it.
duffman9000
macrumors 68020
EricNau said:
Leave non-official OS X on intel support directly to the manufacturer. The only systems that Apple should support are Apple branded computers. They should have a very restrictive list of hardware configurations that OS X on intel may support, but it should be left up to the user to support themselves.
Let us buy a disk that will install generic drivers, and the community will take care of itself. It will happen with or without Apple's blessing. I know im not alone in wanting to pay for a version of OS X.
duffman9000
macrumors 68020
Otto Rehhagel said:
Yes!
Aren't/weren't laptops Apple's biggest money maker before the iPod? Give us a chance to intall OS X on a centrino based laptop. These things already run OS X fast even without QE and with generic ata drivers. A proper system would eat any powerbook made right now.
duffman9000
macrumors 68020
aegisdesign said:
No video yet, but the instructions on how to do it have been floating around and there are a couple of supporting websites already.
Some people are trying their damnest to enable QE on non-intel GMA systems. Which is the holy grail right now.
Otto Rehhagel
macrumors regular
duffman9000 said:
Not only that, as the article in the link says, people still want to drive a Lexus, or any other luxury car. Not everyone settles for a souped up Fiat, Saturn, or Dawoo. I am not going to worry about Apple's hardware sales.
Although, an IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad X40 running OS X would be amazing. (Of course, I would have a white Apple sticker on the lid.) 😉
duffman9000
macrumors 68020
Otto Rehhagel said:
My sticker isnt going to be white 😀
Just gotta find the right thinkpad for the right price.
Websnapx2 said:
Ha! Have you seen it? Nothing strange there... except the safest and most reliable operating system running on a PC... 😛
Eric5h5 said:
I don't like the idea of updating hardware, but it sounds like you've never installed RAM on a PowerMac G4 or G5...
Analog Kid
macrumors G3
Abstract said:
I think there are some cases where a contract can be thrown out if the violated party doesn't try to enforce it. They might not be able to get to the people who created the video, but they can make a show of trying to contain the problem. I don't really like the idea of trying to bottle up the messenger, and I'd suspect that if it went to court the videos would stay, but they may just need to set a precedent.
And for the people who keep whining that this is bad PR for Apple and is going to do irreparable harm: get a grip. This story isn't going to lead NBC Nightly News. So Apple has a legal department and they stay busy protecting Apple's legal interests-- betcha Greenpeace and the Sierra Club do too.
If people want to whine, whine to the sites that are pulling down the material because of a nasty letter. Apple is protecting Apple's interests. They have a right to. All they've done is send a piece of paper saying "stop that or there will be consequences". Any respectable journalist would dismiss that unless there really were something illegal about what they were posting. And yeah, Apple is throwing their weight around a bit to scare the little guys-- nothing new.
So email the sites that are getting threatened, send them a donation to cover legal fees if they come up and push back. Don't complain that the gorilla is guarding its territory...
duffman9000 said:
(almost) fresh news: a very good programmer has been able to patch rosetta and to make it work on SSE2 processors (until now it worked only on SSE3). see
http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=832
But someone REALLY thinks that Apple didn't want this? C'mon... just be serious. Jobs WANTED this to happen. It all free work for Apple and is the biggest beta testing that they cold hope for. Do not think that ALL the Apple team is made of brain-dead people: I think they planned this strategy. With soooooo much care.
Also note that they threatened just macbidouille (which just linked to two videos) and there are a plenty of tech sites just explaining in detail how to do it (and Apple legals doing nothing to them...)
C'mon guys.
Analog Kid
macrumors G3
Otto Rehhagel said:
Great Maker... First people are saying Apple is killing itself by sending nasty letters to websites, now it's all part of a guerrilla marketing campaign?!
Why do I read these threads? Just makes me lose all hope in humanity...
Analog Kid said:
I think so. And also a very aggressive one. Just remember that it's five years that Apple plans for this "just in case" scenario. I think they had enough time to think and re-think the strategies. Do you think that one day Jobs woke up and said
"From tomorrow just intel processors. I do not know how will come to the market, but I will think to that another day... For now just put around some hardware and software to the developers, then we'll do something. And I trust ALL my developer's so much that I DO NOT watermark the copies and I will put inside a no-copy protection that will be crackable in a couple of weeks."
And all this wonderful strategies have been discussed in the administration when all the others were sleeping...
This is absolutely science-fiction.
THEY PLANNED IT.
Otto Rehhagel
macrumors regular
Analog Kid said:
Who said hope in humanity lies in the ethics of large corporations? I hate what corporations are doing, but they have no impact on those of us who are firmly grounded in ethics. We like to personify Apple, but at the end of the day, Apple's stockholders/stakeholders will drive its ethics and direction.
If this means humanity follows the ethics of profit driven people, then I too would agree with you. Welcome to Capitalist America. 🙁
Otto Rehhagel
macrumors regular
Ghibli said:
Absolutely RITHT!
Interesting times are coming for Mac OS X! --Stay tuned for a market share explosion in 2006 and beyond.
duffman9000
macrumors 68020
Once QE capable drivers are implemented OS X on intel will explode. I for one have never seen all the QE effects due to my lowly 8 meg vpu on my powerbook. Once the masses see QE in action i think people will see vista for it truly is --- one big bite.