Apple Likely Targeting iOS 19 for Delayed Siri Features

[Ghengis LeMond]

What??? You’re mentioning Gucci in the same sentence as Apple? If you want to mention a like company at least discuss Samsung, who has more expensive smartphones than apple but is in the same industry and not fashion accessories.

You’re going to lump the billions of apple customers into a bucket labeled hapless, uninformed and are incapable of thinking for themselves?

Ok, let’s take Samsung then. The entire division containing Samsung’s phones business unit makes up only 8% of their revenue and 5% of their profit. They are a conglomerate that includes panels, foundry, electronics, multiple lines of business services, etc., etc. Apple (in its current form) is almost entirely dependent upon a single product to drive revenue across their ecosystem - the iPhone. And that revenue is increasingly derived from services. A more apt historical comparison might be IBM (Big Blue) in the 80’s-90’s which mismanaged itself out of the product space they commanded, lost or sold off their broad based consumer products divisions, and became a services company to drive margin at the expense of product development. That company is still trying to reinvent itself.

You’ll laugh at this one, but how about Kodak? They owned the space they were in, absolutely owned it, and were one of the most profitable and respected companies in the world. A little technology called digital started to creep into photography, they were slow to adapt and completely mismanaged their dominant position. I like that example better.

 

[I7guy]

Ok, let’s take Samsung then. The entire division containing Samsung’s phones business unit makes up only 8% of their revenue and 5% of their profit. They are a conglomerate that includes panels, foundry, electronics, multiple lines of business services, etc., etc. Apple (in its current form) is almost entirely dependent upon a single product to drive revenue across their ecosystem - the iPhone. And that revenue is increasingly derived from services. A more apt historical comparison might be IBM (Big Blue) in the 80’s-90’s which mismanaged itself out of the product space they commanded, lost or sold off their broad based consumer products divisions, and became a services company to drive margin at the expense of product development. That company is still trying to reinvent itself.

One can look at mismanaged companies until the cows come home. Companies that were glorious in the day and today are shell. Blackberry, Lehman, intel, inn, etc.

Samsung you buy a phone and an accessory or two and then the revenue stops, except maybe with Samsung pay.

Ownership of any Apple computer is a potential revenue generator. Apple has built up a huge fan base. That is their biggest strength. How those billions of customers feel as a collective? I don’t know.

 

[HylianKnight]

I think the Samsung devices have 8GB RAM reserved just for the LLMs. I think Apple should just give every nee device a base 16GB for LLMs and 8-12GB for the system and apps.

No argument here. More memory is always better.

 

[artjart]

I can’t be alone in actually liking Apple Intelligence so this is a shame.

In my own tests the on-device summarisation produces more concise results than ChatGPT, GPT results from Visual Intelligence are better than Google Lens gave me on Android and I accept the limitations of the photo editor and just take better photos.

yeah you are the only one, but congrats that's unique

 

[Ghengis LeMond]

One can look at mismanaged companies until the cows come home. Companies that were glorious in the day and today are shell. Blackberry, Lehman, intel, inn, etc.

Samsung you buy a phone and an accessory or two and then the revenue stops, except maybe with Samsung pay.

Ownership of any Apple computer is a potential revenue generator. Apple has built up a huge fan base. That is their biggest strength. How those billions of customers feel as a collective? I don’t know.

I’m sorry, but you completely missed my point. Apple is exceptional at tying in services with their ecosystem (read: product line) and deriving significant, high margin revenue from them. My point is that should market share for the supporting product line erode, services revenue will decrease as well, albeit not as quickly. That’s what happened to IBM and Kodak in compute and film respectively. Apple is king of the hill right now in their space, no question; however, they are slipping badly in technical product execution, quality and new tech development. With few exceptions, nearly everything Apple has done product wise in the last 5 or 10 years (outside services) has flopped or been a yawn. That’s an eon in tech. This AI misstep is a doozy - AI is arguably the greatest technological milestone since broadband - and that puts their product line at severe disadvantage out of the gate.

 

[Premium1]

Nothing like a generalized insult to Apple customers. That insult revealed something deeper, and that is why the financials are more than you believe they are.

Whatever you say...

 

[I7guy]

I’m sorry, but you completely missed my point. Apple is exceptional at tying in services with their ecosystem (read: product line) and deriving significant, high margin revenue from them. My point is that should market share for the supporting product line erode, services revenue will decrease as well, albeit not as quickly. That’s what happened to IBM and Kodak in compute and film respectively. Apple is king of the hill right now in their space, no question; however, they are slipping badly in technical product execution, quality and new tech development. With few exceptions, nearly everything Apple has done product wise in the last 5 or 10 years (outside services) has flopped or been a yawn. That’s an eon in tech.

Who thinks everything apple has done in the last 10 is a flop or yawn? I don’t think so. My wife, kids, family, extended family dont think so. It seems hundreds of millions of customers dont think so. I’m sure you can find some back up to your stats.

This AI misstep is a doozy - AI is arguably the greatest technological milestone since broadband - and that puts their product line at severe disadvantage out of the gate.

I don’t think anything is a doozy. AI is evolving in its way to being a commodity.

 

[Virinprew]

As someone who works in the software product space, damn was this mismanaged. If they aren’t going to release a beta of the new Siri (which they probably should, they need to stop thinking they can develop complex products like this without a user feedback loop), why even announce it ahead of time?! Where is that Apple secrecy? Apple knows how to play the rumor mill. They could have made sure it was heavily rumored that an awesome new Siri was coming without ever actually officially announcing anything. Then they wouldn’t be in quite the clusterf*ck they are in now.

I would not want to be an Apple engineer on the Siri team right now. I guarantee you they were asked to do something basically impossible within an unrealistic time frame. They probably said, “no we can’t do it” and were told to do it anyway. There were probably a lot of people too scared to tell upper management something they didn’t want to hear, until finally there was no way to hide it. And now they are likely being sold under the bus when their predictions that said thing was impossible came true.

My thought exactly. They, the higher up, probably freaked out how quickly other companies’ AI leave them in the dust and demand the impossible from the team.

 

[originalmagneto]

No why? Regarding to an interview with an Apple engineer from June 2024 8GB - for a Macbook - is more than sufficient.🤡

Source: https://www.xda-developers.com/apple-insist-8gb-ram-macs-enough/

Their stinginess with RAM and SSDs is finally going to bite them in their assess big time! Cant wait.

 

[Baslea]

Their stinginess with RAM and SSDs is finally going to bite them in their assess big time! Cant wait.

Problems is - and I see it every time even on MR - that you got too many lemmings who actually believe (or have the illusion to) that everything Apple does is right, therefore defending their actions. I mean, just watch the DMA thread and/or the newest one about Brazil forcing Apple to let user side load.

And no, I don't blame people who just go into a store and buy the cheapest Macbook because they don't know better. I talk about tech-educated people who should know that selling >1K+ device with 8GB and charging 250€/$ for additional 8GB of RAM is not really a consumer friendly thing.

 

[xiJulian_]

Don't be ageist. Old CLUELESS people would be more correct.

Sorry you’re right, this is what I was trying to say. Thank you.

 

[JimmyHook]

Over broad. You could say that computers themselves diminish cognitive functioning since we don't do many complex mental work in our heads or with pen and paper. But on the other hand many still do very complex thinking while using a computer -- they just do bigger tasks than they ever could before computers. Same with AI as we can do MORE by leaving trivial things to AI. Current AI often gets it wrong and does so using lots of resources so it's just in its infancy and so is our figuring out just where AI fits best in our work and lives.

“Gets it wrong” and “using lots of resources”

Yup. Two MASSIVE red flags. Delete it all.

Also, we have SPECIFIC data demonstrating the diminished cognitive functioning that occurs with over-reliance on AI. Do you have any data contradicting this?