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This also makes me wonder if AI is something Apple is ill-prepared to tackle, given their focus on privacy.

iOS 18 basically shipped with nothing of value, and unless Apple does an about face (unlikely), their AI features looks like something which will continue to monopolise the bulk of their engineering resources for the next 2-3 years at least.

There's also the thorny issue if their intent-based intelligence features requiring a ton of buy-in and support from developers. Goodwill that is certainly not as good as it was a decade ago (nobody is going to want to donate their app's content and functionality and end up being commoditised).

I mean, Apple hardware remains excellent, windows still stinks, I am still not a fan of android (and a lot of AI features we have seen on android phones are also glorified parlour tricks as well), and in this context, I wonder if Apple should have taken the "flash" route by simply stating "I think a lot of the AI features we see in use today are really just a bunch of gimmicks, and we are not going down that route." Instead focus their engineering resources on improving existing features on iOS and fixing bugs. Sit out the AI race and bet on the entire scene being one giant bubble waiting to burst the moment venture capital dries up.
How do you know what’s happening on the Android side? You have made clear many times you never touched an android. So stop making conclusions about it because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
 
How do you know what’s happening on the Android side? You have made clear many times you never touched an android. So stop making conclusions about it because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I have seen enough, helping those around me troubleshoot their android devices (can you appreciate the irony of android users approaching someone who has never used an android phone for help or support?). 😬
 
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I have seen enough, helping those around me troubleshoot their android devices (can you appreciate the irony of android users approaching someone who has never used an android phone for help or support?). 😬
That’s funny you say that. I can search for a comment you made not that long ago admitting you haven’t touched an Android in years an followed by your usual mantra how good all things Apple are. Mentioning that only Apple had a good working ecosystem etc.

We live in an era when it’s normal to twist and spin. This is a good example 😂
 
That’s funny you say that. I can search for a comment you made not that long ago admitting you haven’t touched an Android in years an followed by your usual mantra how good all things Apple are. Mentioning that only Apple had a good working ecosystem etc.

We live in an era when it’s normal to twist and spin. This is a good example 😂
And I stand by every word I have said. This is one thing I personally take pride in, that I have never had to lie about anything in the 10+ years I have frequented this forum.

It is true that I have owned only iPhones (4s, 5s, 6s+, 8+, 13 PM), and if you think that just because I have briefly interacted with android devices in the course of work or personal life, that is some sort of "gotcha", then I can only say - grow up.

For example, my school phone is an android Samsung phone, I have handled it for a couple of hours at a time here and there when I bring it along with it for excursions (but it mostly just sits in my bag). Are you really going to count that as "owning an android device"?

My colleague brought his android tablet to school, inspired by me mirroring my iPad to an Apple TV. I helped him figure out that he could similarly connect his tablet to the Miracast dongle that is connected to all our projectors. Again, are you going to count this as "having touched an Android"?

My school previously invested in these wireless microphones that required you to download an app onto your phones to use (some kind of video recording app that the microphone would only work with). Last year, the developer pulled the app from the google play store, meaning that only iPhone users could still access the app and make use of it to record their students in the class for that particular programme. I was again helping to troubleshoot this issue.

I know that Samsung phones have this Dex feature because I read tech blogs like TheVerge. When I demo'ed it to my colleagues (using the school phone), they responded with indifference. To them, it's just not something they see themselves doing to their Samsung devices, because of the hassle involved (you need an external monitor, keyboard and mouse). To them, a phone's a phone.

Another colleague wanted to get some video footage off his Android phone. Again, who's the one who carries a thunderbolt 4 cable along with him that let him complete the transfer in seconds?

And I have seen folding phone screens fail. Lucky for that particular person, it happened right after she returned from an overseas trip and not while she was abroad.

How do I know all this? Because I read, and have watched enough tech videos out there to more or less have a grasp of the relative strengths and weaknesses of each respective platform, and I know I have little interest in what Android has to offer. Sideloading, flexible displays, fast charging, crazy amounts of ram or megapixels, I am fine not having them.

And while we are at it...



Finally, I believe previously mentioning that iOS still remains home to a number of apps that are not available on Android. I also recall never quite getting a response from you on this issue.

Does this make me a liar? You all decide. :cool:
 
How do you know, have you asked them? Most people buy apple at the automatic pilot. Are they happy with Siri?

More and more people starting to realize that the same ecosystem Apple is an open free world on Android and that Android is years ahead compared to what Apple has to show.

You’re telling me all the people on Mac centric forums are wrong? The message to Apple is out in the open and Apple should be ashamed when another comparison is shown.

Even apples own employees are getting dissatisfied of what’s going on:

Mind boggling that after decades of living in the internet people still believe that forums are representative of users …
 
What’s mind boggling is that posters still believe the billions who buy Apple products can’t think for themselves, and can’t possibly buy Apple products because they believe it’s best for them.
Some do and some don’t. Many buy Apple because family members do, friends do, their carriers offer very persuasive deals, influencers control their decisions, get hand me downs from parents and on and on.
 
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Some do and some don’t. Many buy Apple because family members do, friends do, their carriers offer very persuasive deals, influencers control their decisions, get hand me downs from parents and on and on.
It goes against common sense that MR posters believe people buy these expensive devices for every reason except the one that is most logical. And that is there is some aspect of the iPhone that is liked or wanted.

But buying on price means Apple for the most part loses, except in the case of a hand me downs.
 
Seriously....for anyone who may have upgraded to 16/16 Pro's for the "Apple Intelligence" and the highly anticipated "Smarter Siri" should get money back...OR the trade in value of the 16's (also 15s) this Sept. should be MUCH higher than usual.

Not sure if this will add up to anything if the new 17s are a bit more expensive due to the new design coming AND/IF tariffs, not only China but Canada?? IDK, if I recall...Apple didn't raise the price years ago when the first tariffs were slapped. Who knows, we'll see.
 
Because it speaks volumes about what customers think and what they purchase when there is competition.

Posters who dont think that financials speak to the broader picture are missing the forest from the trees.
Apple literally sold a cleaning cloth. They could polish a turd and the apple faithful would buy it. The financials aren't the "gotcha" you think it is...
 
What’s mind boggling is that posters still believe the billions who buy Apple products can’t think for themselves, and can’t possibly buy Apple products because they believe it’s best for them.
Are you serious??? Are you familiar with general marketing, corporate image value management and luxury/status branding? Good god, man...... Everything from Disney World to high end cars to all the obvious luxury fashion branding (Saks, Gucci, Coach, etc) are usually in no way 'best' for their customers from a value or functional standpoint and Apple products have an identity in that space. The danger to companies at the top of brand perception is any threat to the devaluation of the brand itself, either through product quality, obsolescence, overplaying price to perceived value (customers believing they are getting ripped off) or a self inflicted wound to the brand (see: Harley Davidson/DEI.)

Customers may 'believe its best for them' (<the goal of marketing), but that often bears little relation as to whether it actually is or isn't. If a customer base begins to believe they have been lied to about product capabilities that do not exist (iPhone 16), the brand suffers.
 
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Siri is such ***** I have the “Hey Siri” disabled now on all my devices; HomePods, iPads and iPhone.
For us, the one thing Siri gets right most of the time is home commands. I’m fairly sure this is a case of YMMV. We have a lot of smart devices and scenes, and I’d say Siri gets our home commands correct 95% of the time.
 
One defending everything Apple does just with "financial results" is really missing the broader overall picture here
I think the broader picture is that something can be flawed, while still offering a great experience overall. Enough to make people opt for it over numerous other competing alternatives, after weighing the pros against the respective cons.

Maybe Siri does suck, and it's just one aspect of the overarching Apple experience. And the few times I used it, it has reliably created calendar events, dictated telegram / WhatsApp messages, made calls, retrieved the email address of a contact and performed quick calculations (eg: what's 70% of $69).

Maybe Google Now or Alexa is better, and that is against the backdrop of you needing to use Android for the former, and the latter lacking an established smartphone presence. It's no different from many other things out there. Life is all about tradeoffs and choices. Technology is no exempt.

I do not consider it controversial at all that ~20% of the people in the world decided to adopt Apple products for reasons that need matter only to themselves. Mind you, this means that 4 out of 5 people still opted to reject Apple products, and that's is fine too. 20% of the world's population still works out to be an impressive number of people in an absolute sense. Enough to sustain its own thriving ecosystem. Not forgetting that Apple users tend to have more disposable income, and you end up with a business model whose revenue dwarves its market share.

Perhaps the bigger issue isn't the money that Apple makes, but the money which the rest of the competition isn't (making).
 
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Are you serious??? Are you familiar with general marketing, corporate image value management and luxury/status branding? Good god, man...... Everything from Disney World to high end cars to all the obvious luxury fashion branding (Saks, Gucci, Coach, etc) are usually in no way 'best' for their customers from a value or functional standpoint and Apple products have an identity in that space. The danger to companies at the top of brand perception is any threat to the devaluation of the brand itself, either through product quality, obsolescence, overplaying price to perceived value (customers believing they are getting ripped off) or a self inflicted wound to the brand (see: Harley Davidson/DEI.)
What??? You’re mentioning Gucci in the same sentence as Apple? If you want to mention a like company at least discuss Samsung, who has more expensive smartphones than apple but is in the same industry and not fashion accessories.
Customers may 'believe its best for them' (<the goal of marketing), but that often bears little relation as to whether it actually is or isn't. If a customer base begins to believe they have been lied to about product capabilities that do not exist (iPhone 16), the brand suffers.
You’re going to lump the billions of apple customers into a bucket labeled hapless, uninformed and are incapable of thinking for themselves?
 
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I believe the expectation is that the iPhone 17 and 17 pro will come with 12GB of ram.
I think the Samsung devices have 8GB RAM reserved just for the LLMs. I think Apple should just give every new device a base 16GB for LLMs and 8-12GB for the system and apps.
 
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