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And anyone who purchased some Apple stock a couple years back or more and held on to it is probably extremely happy with the success of Apple's massive corporate greed.

In case you didn't know - there are actually people that can not afford to buy stocks. Yes, exactly, those people exist.

And could you please specify, how these people are extremely happy? You can read the Apple chart either way you want - so let me give you this perspective:

Think about those poor suckers, who bought Apple stock on iPhone hype for 200 bucks and lost half their money when it tanked down to 90 during the financial crisis.

BTW - I for one will only invest in one thing considering Apple - PUT STOCK OPTIONS. Why? Because Apple actually peaked, and anyone seeing it crossing 400 in the next year will - well - sigh in a year when Steve kicked the bucket, the iPad2 is a major letdown and iTMS is losing traction to other places (due to Apple's anti-consumer decisions).
 
Come on apple, follow the law like everyone else does and pay your fair share of the taxes, if you want to bring it back. If you don't want to pay the taxes, leave it there. Just like any other company. Sounds like apple is getting a god complex thinking there are above everyone. Apple should take care of their share holders and split the stock instead of being a greedy corporation like they have become. If it wasn't for the shareholders buying stock, apple wouldn't of had the money to do all of their business. Hey apple, follow the law like everyone else does instead of trying to cheat. One of the big reasons for our bad economy. Greedy corporations evading paying their fair share!

BTW, I do not own any stock in apple.

you are confused. lobbying for tax amnesty IS following the laws.

NOT following the laws will be smuggling those money in bundles of cash in rubber raft at night.

the laws are made by people who have the means to lobby for change. you are witnessing the process of lawmaking at work.
 
I really agree with this. If the money is going to be spent on US business, in the United states, to create US jobs- I say go for it!
 
Perhaps Apple should move to Luxembourg where their friend iTunes lives?

I also find quite funny this idea that Apple can't spend their $22Billion (or however much it is) on creating more jobs in the U.S., but if they were allowed to bring back the other $38Billion (or whatever), well that would make all the difference, they'd be jobs for everyone!

I thought Apple have quite a (comparatively) small number of employees by design anyway?

I don't think you can really blame Apple trying to get out of paying taxes if they can, it should be down to the government to decide what is in the best interests of their country. I don't really like the whole lobbying culture though, it seems perilously close to corruption to pay people to put forward a one-sided argument in favour of the rich and powerful.
 
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I really agree with this. If the money is going to be spent on US business, in the United states, to create US jobs- I say go for it!

No, these businesses want all money without any conditions. For example, they may decide to pay a dividend which obviously is not an investment.
 
If all corporations, Apple included, paid their fair share of taxes, our country wouldn't have a financial crisis.

You really believe our government would not spend / waste any extra money they received ? The corporations should pay what they owe but, the only way we will get out of the financial crisis is if we cut down on the spending.
 
Miserable Apple strategy...

Ok... Apple build the computers in "china" and in poor countries because is cheaper than use US labor.

They resell that computer super expensive in those same countries and around the world where people have to pay the RETAIL price, plus the vendors profit, plus taxes. So if a Mac Book Pro cost $2000 you can add no less than $600 on top of that in any foreign country.

Now, Apple is crying because it has all that money overseas. Why Apple does not decrease a 30% of the value overseas then?

I mean, if Apple, as well the rest of the other corporations, wanted to re invest that money in the US, you could start by building those products locally.

Apple can pay their 30% taxes just fine. They are just greedy.
 
Let me ask you who can afford it more? Someone who pays 10% on $35000, leaving them with $32500 to live off of. Or someone who pays 20% on $350000, leaving them with $280000 to live of of?

It boggles the mind how a person/corporation with wealth can claim that its not fair. Oh and then want to cut services to help the person with little or no means. Its just plain greed.

So it's all about everyone living exactly the same lifestyle regardless of what they do for a living? Yes, many that make $350k barely work, but most took many years of working 15+ hour days and risking everything they had to get to that point. It's so very different once you're on the other side of the table. Believe me.

I remember when I started my first business. I had a bit saved up from a 401k that I cashed out and took it in the shorts. I was all in. My partner and I invested everything we had, paid the bills with our savings, and didn't take a salary. We hired a couple of employees and paid them out of this money as well. My personal mortgage fell behind, my bills fell behind, everything.

I remember after 10 months we were at our very poorest. My wife was selling some of my son's games, one of his car seats, and various other stuff. We had a couple garage sales. I had built a company that was now grossing about $100k per month, but the controls weren't in place to get our profit margin in place. While technically having a (barely) million dollar company, I specifically remember my wife having to leave her cart at the grocery store because we were completely broke. Everything was gone. I remember I sold some tools to a friend for $100 to get us by. Shortly after that we had a sign on our door and front gate showing that our home was to be put up for auction.

Right after this things turned around. Probably 2 months later my business FINALLY wasn't upside down. We made around $8k (net) that month. My partner and I actually took money out for the first time. Next month it was like $10k, then it jumped to like $24k, then it hit $50k, then leveled off at about $100k. Finally, things paid off.

Our employees had joked a couple times about us living "the good life". After all, they saw the deals being made, but didn't realize how bad things actually were. I (and my partner) worked our butts off. Both of us found ourselves at urgent care at different times due to heart issues and anxiety issues. Things got really really tough.

The moral of the story is, I almost killed myself. My doc told me to slow down or else I'd be dead in a couple years. My partner got the same advice. I'd give up mental stress for physical stress any day of the year.

So where am I now? Well I have several employees. I just hired a guy for $125k/yr about 2 weeks ago, and another guy that starts at the end of the month at $85k. I'm doing my best to help create jobs in this economy. Most will see me as "lucky"...and that I don't deserve to have nice things... but I think I earned it. I know a lot of other business owners that have exactly the same story... unfortunately I know even more that have a similar story, but went bust. It's a risk we take. If there isn't a reward at the end, none of us would risk anything. We'd all get government jobs.
 
Why don't they just spend the money in the non-US countries or perhaps lower the price for some products so that they're more affordable?
 
So it's all about everyone living exactly the same lifestyle regardless of what they do for a living? Yes, many that make $350k barely work, but most took many years of working 15+ hour days and risking everything they had to get to that point. It's so very different once you're on the other side of the table. Believe me.

I remember when I started my first business. I had a bit saved up from a 401k that I cashed out and took it in the shorts. I was all in. My partner and I invested everything we had, paid the bills with our savings, and didn't take a salary. We hired a couple of employees and paid them out of this money as well. My personal mortgage fell behind, my bills fell behind, everything.

I remember after 10 months we were at our very poorest. My wife was selling some of my son's games, one of his car seats, and various other stuff. We had a couple garage sales. I had built a company that was now grossing about $100k per month, but the controls weren't in place to get our profit margin in place. While technically having a (barely) million dollar company, I specifically remember my wife having to leave her cart at the grocery store because we were completely broke. Everything was gone. I remember I sold some tools to a friend for $100 to get us by. Shortly after that we had a sign on our door and front gate showing that our home was to be put up for auction.

Right after this things turned around. Probably 2 months later my business FINALLY wasn't upside down. We made around $8k (net) that month. My partner and I actually took money out for the first time. Next month it was like $10k, then it jumped to like $24k, then it hit $50k, then leveled off at about $100k. Finally, things paid off.

Our employees had joked a couple times about us living "the good life". After all, they saw the deals being made, but didn't realize how bad things actually were. I (and my partner) worked our butts off. Both of us found ourselves at urgent care at different times due to heart issues and anxiety issues. Things got really really tough.

The moral of the story is, I almost killed myself. My doc told me to slow down or else I'd be dead in a couple years. My partner got the same advice. I'd give up mental stress for physical stress any day of the year.

So where am I now? Well I have several employees. I just hired a guy for $125k/yr about 2 weeks ago, and another guy that starts at the end of the month at $85k. I'm doing my best to help create jobs in this economy. Most will see me as "lucky"...and that I don't deserve to have nice things... but I think I earned it. I know a lot of other business owners that have exactly the same story... unfortunately I know even more that have a similar story, but went bust. It's a risk we take. If there isn't a reward at the end, none of us would risk anything. We'd all get government jobs.
Excellent story, that was motivating
 
In case you didn't know - there are actually people that can not afford to buy stocks.

There are people who can't afford to buy food. There are also places in this world where there is no food available even if people could afford it. I suggest writing some checks to your favorite charity. (I do. And any exercised capital gains allows me to write checks for larger amounts.)

If all corporations, Apple included, paid their fair share of taxes, our country wouldn't have a financial crisis.

Interesting opinion. Please explain the existence of countries with even higher corporate taxes than the U.S. which are having even an worse financial "crisis".
 
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Come on apple, follow the law like everyone else does and pay your fair share of the taxes, if you want to bring it back. If you don't want to pay the taxes, leave it there. Just like any other company. Sounds like apple is getting a god complex thinking there are above everyone. Apple should take care of their share holders and split the stock instead of being a greedy corporation like they have become. If it wasn't for the shareholders buying stock, apple wouldn't of had the money to do all of their business. Hey apple, follow the law like everyone else does instead of trying to cheat. One of the big reasons for our bad economy. Greedy corporations evading paying their fair share!

BTW, I do not own any stock in apple.

Do you even know what a stock split is?

Let's look at the details:
Apple stock price: $363.13
Market cap: $334.54B
Shares of stock: Roughly 921 Million

A 2 for 1 stock split would mean:
Apple stock price: $181.57 (roughly, the markets can change this)
Market cap: $334.54B (STAYS THE SAME)
Shares of stock: Roughly 1.84 billion

No one makes any money if the stock splits...

How does not splitting a stock show greed. Do you realize that the stock price doesn't equal the amount of money that Apple has? It is simply what investors are trading their shares for. Plus, a company with too many shares outstanding would cause dilution problems and the price of the stock may go down even further (take SIRI for example). In the end, splitting the stock has no effect on anything. Stock is just a way to obtain financing. If a share costs less, then they would just sell more to meet the required financing they need. If it costs too much, it may be harder to get financing. But, it seems like investors are willing to pay $300 + for a share of Apple, so why split it?
 
Trickle down economics? Do you remember Regan, and Bush and the economy after their reign? Trickle down economics caused the country to start talking about the national debt in the Trillions!

No thank you, I have seen that play before. Pay up Apple!

How's that trickle-down thing working out?


Government incurred debt is a completely different subject when it comes to economics. I feel that personal debt can be attributed to our great desire to obtain "The American Dream" at any cost. Proper money management is something that our society has lost when it comes to personal finances.

I'm not from a wealthy family, my college tuition (before scholarships) costs more than my immediate family makes but I have found ways to make sure I have very little debt after college. I have been close to having to take a semester off of school because I knew I wouldn't be keep my debt as low as I had hopped.

I admit I am no professional on the topic of economics but I seem to be doing pretty well for myself. I see trickle-down as working pretty well for me.
 
If they had done that two years ago the recession would just be a distant memory now.As it is it probably will only get worse for a long time.
 
As long as the tax is paid in the country in which it is earned then no more tax should be taken from it.

So which country is the tax on an iPad earned?

The item is designed in the United States.

It's components come from probably 25 countries.

It's assembled in China.

Which country has "earned" the tax? Should the country where the "retail" sale goes get the highest amount of tax for what is essentially just markup?

Please explain which country "earned" the sale of an iPad or any other apple product.
 
What utter rubbish. The money shouldn't be in those foreign bank accounts in the first place.

That's nonsense; of course it should. It was earned overseas, and Apple is a worldwide company with worldwide operations. There are people outside the US, you know, and large amounts of their money are from international sales. What, Apple UK should just have to keep depositing and withdrawing from daddy-Apple-US's accounts?

Any and every company's mission is to earn money. If they can legally and legitimately minimize outlay by holding some stuff off-shore then why the hell wouldn't they, just like you claim every legitimate deduction you're legally entitled to. "Oh no, Mr Tax-Man. I don't need those deductions; here, take this extra money that I don't actually need to pay - what could I possibly do with it?". You people act like you didn't know that they're in business.
 
Wow. Are you frickin' kidding me with that statement????

I can tell you from personal experience when I was fresh out of college and got married and had a kid that between the personal deduction and an Earned Income Credit, we always - ALWAYS - got more back than we paid in.

We even adjusted our deductions so that very little was being taken out in withholding every week and we still got a nice return.
 
Second, its called the trickle-down economics. You give the large corp a break on the money it already has so that it will spend it by buying a smaller company. The employees of the "small" company get paid more because they hold some form of vital knowledge. This is highly applicable in the tech world. The employees that are payed better spend more at stores. Which means they can afford to keep all of their employees. Which means their employees don't go broke. In the end the goal is to improve the economy as a whole.

If that's what you think 'trickle-down economics' is, then wouldn't it be best for Apple to pay the 35% tax to the US Government, or spend it all on infrastructure in the US? This would have a positive trickle-down effect to Apple's own benefit.
 
Apple can shut the #$#@ up and pay their taxes. The advantages of being based in this country and the responsibilities of being based in this country go hand in hand. When I get my paycheck, I don't argue with the government over my tax rate because I "earned" the money. Earning the money does not erase my responsibility as a citizen to pay taxes on it. A few other points:

- Just because something is legal in America doesn't mean it isn't corrupt and wrong. Hiring lobbyists so they can legally dodge their taxes doesn't mean they're not dodging their taxes. The American people get screwed on the deal regardless of how legal those corporate puppets in Congress proclaim it to be.

- 5% versus 35%. Do they have anything concrete to offer the American people in exchange for this possible reduction of funds going into programs like Social Security and Medicare, you know, things that provide services like healthcare to poor people? Remember poor people? The ones who can't afford to fly across the country at a moment's notice in their private jet for an organ transplant?

- Here's a company that's famous for sitting on cash and not putting it back into the economy, asking for a tax break so that it can have more cash, and claiming they're going to put it back into the economy. In what twisted netherworld of bass-akwards logic does this make any sense? "Hi, I'm the medical doctor that is famous for not dispensing medical supplies. I deserve to have more medical supplies, so that I can dispense them to people." How about we find the company/doctor that IS putting money into the economy/dispensing medical supplies, and give them what they need? Instead of just pouring the money down a black hole of corporate greed and corruption?

- This is the legacy of the great Apple, who made computers usable for the average person instead of the professional geek? Overpriced luxury goods, closed ecosystems, anti-competitive behavior, and ruthless corporate greed? This company is not your friend, people. It is a very big fish in the sea of capitalism. The products make you feel warm and fuzzy because that's what gets you to buy the products, which is what makes money for the shareholders, which is what Apple is legally required to do. That's the system. It breeds corruption. Apple is not immune.
 
When I get my paycheck, I don't argue with the government over my tax rate because I "earned" the money. Earning the money does not erase my responsibility as a citizen to pay taxes on it.

Right. And you never wonder how you could pay less? When you file your taxes at the end of the year you leave off those deductions too and just throw in a bit more for good measure. When your accountant finds you a deduction that you are eligible, but weren't aware of, you tell him to skip it. It's your responsibility to pay taxes after all.

Hiring lobbyists so they can legally dodge their taxes doesn't mean they're not dodging their taxes.

"Dodging taxes" has the connotation that they are doing something illegal to avoid paying taxes. Apple is not. They are merely using all the deductions and the existing IRS rules to their benefit - just like any individual does.

It is easy to throw around words when it is not your money.
 
Right. And you never wonder how you could pay less? When you file your taxes at the end of the year you leave off those deductions too and just throw in a bit more for good measure. When your accountant finds you a deduction that you are eligible, but weren't aware of, you tell him to skip it. It's your responsibility to pay taxes after all.

A deduction is already in the law. While that doesn't necessarily make it right, I'm not bastardizing our democracy by dumping a pile of money on some lobbyist attack dog outfit to get the deck stacked in my favor, at the expense of the taxpaying public. It's ok to seek advantage, within the law and also within some sense of reason and decency. Apple claims this tax break is reasonable and decent, but a basic examination of their motives as a corporation easily exposes that hypocrisy.


"Dodging taxes" has the connotation that they are doing something illegal to avoid paying taxes. Apple is not. They are merely using all the deductions and the existing IRS rules to their benefit - just like any individual does.

It is easy to throw around words when it is not your money.

First off, they are NOT using existing deductions and IRS rules, they are trying to get the rules changed to favor them and their friends. Secondly, I made it pretty clear what I meant by dodging taxes, regardless of what the term connotes to you. Since you seem to prefer your own meaning of the term, I will re-state the essence of the point: they are trying to get out of paying the amount of tax that is legally required of them, and the methods that they are using to do that, while legal, are no less repugnant or morally objectionable for that fact. Please refer to my earlier statement which is essentially this: just because something is legal in America does not mean it is right.

Consider this: It's legal for a corporation to take out a life insurance policy on a terminally ill employee, without notifying that employee's spouse. Furthermore, when that employee dies, it is legal (and very common) for that corporation to cash the insurance check and not turn over a single penny to the widow. Does that strike you as right? No? Well, too bad, because it's legal. And guess who gets to make those laws? Corporations and their lobbyists, with a compliant Congress. You're free to think that's alright, but to suggest that I'm being reckless with someone else's money because I'm tired of watching them use it to enrich themselves at the expense of this country - that seems an awful lot like throwing around words.
 
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