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For those who still don’t invest in cryptocurrency, you’ll be sorry for being dumb in 2025. Buy btc or eth each week with dinner money, let’s say $5-$10. Buy and forget and check back in 2025.
 
Right. Something like paying rent is almost invariably done either by a recurring payment, or a recurring debit. It's just banks talking to each other (or possibly even one and the same bank shifting from account A to B).

(SWIFT is more of an American standard, but the new EU-wide IBAN way of referring to bank accounts is from SWIFT. SEPA is a hideous overengineered they-didn't-understand-XML format to declare transfers/debits electronically. Maestro is an international debit card compatibility thing by MasterCard that I don't believe is relevant inside the EU, i.e. you can use your EU debit card to withdraw money outside the EU that way. Sofort, lastly, is a regretabble proprietary thing with security considerations so absurd, they violate many of your bank account ToSes… beware. Turns out giving a third party your credentials is a bad idea. Who knew?)

Unless your XML implementation for SEPA is frighteningly inefficient, I think it's extremely unlikely blockchain could ever come close in energy efficiency. Which, to its credit, is due to its cryptography.
So SWIFT founded in Brussels with a head office in Belgium is an American standard?
( international transfers between banks )
And SEPA (inter european transfers)
Is more energy efficient than any blockchain can be?
Yet Ripple transactions, for instance, use 0,000011 KWh on average per transaction... ( there is no mining involved, and there are other examples of energy efficient blockchains as wel using DPoS or PoS)

Any network uses energy, so i really doubt that SEPA ( just banks talking to each other ) uses 0,000000 KWh.

just saying... it isn’t all that black and white... blockchain/bad - bank/green.
 
AppleCoin. Just like bitcoin except 30% of every transaction goes to Apple.

Everyone ready for the keynote where we learn "only Apple has the courage to invent blockchain technology"?
 
Our base layer of money doesn't work because it is corrupted. Fiat currencies have inflation every year which robs people of the fruits of their labor. The wealth inequality increases because those who owns the most assets gains the most from the money printing. Geopolitically, the US have to defend the petrodollar and countries are competing in a race to the bottom by simultaneously devaluing their currencies. Technological innovation is a deflationary force of our society which is exponential and is fought by money printing. This GDP growth goals (which they try to reach by help of inflation) are not sustainable for environment. The power concentration of whoever controls the money printing leads to a more totalitarian society.

We most certainly need a new monetary infrastructure! Bitcoin at least offers a more sustainable solution.
Processing fees (and currencies to run processing) effectively are inflation in crypto land….

fiat doesn’t have a processing fees
 
It's hard to fathom a company which prides itself on environmental awareness wanting anything to do with crypto currency

What ever made you think Apple prided itself on environmental awareness? They do vapid virtue signalling, but their actions are incredibly anti-environment. All the products like headphones, aTV remotes, etc that need to go in the garbage and be replaced when the battery dies. Soldered Ram and SSD limiting the life of products. Glued in batteries in their laptops means that when it becomes vintage it's got a date with the landfill. I just bought a new third party battery and replaced the trackpad for my 2011 MacBook Pro (with a 1TB SSD and 16 gig of RAM). I expect to still be using that 2011 regularly when my 2017 is lasting 10,000 years in a landfill somewhere. And don't even start the BS about recycling the computers. Apple glues aluminum to glass which makes both non-recyclable and is sickening to anyone who knows about the materials. But hey, they have a cute robot in their commercials to take out 0.5 grams of screws before sending the bulk of the computer to a landfill.

I just today heard the Apple Silicon macs and Big Sur are showing signs they will no longer be able to boot from external media at all. Fantastic. Soldered in SSD and no possibility of booting from an external drive = bricked computer. Gotta get all those old machines into the landfills as fast as possible to sell new ones.

So many accessories with so much extra packaging. My 2011 MBP came with everything I needed and 2 nice USB ports. My 2017 came with a shopping list of dongles all individually packaged and needing shipping from China. More profit for Apple, more poisoning the environment.

You can argue Apple is a for profit company any doing everything they can to fill their money pit all you want, and that's fine. But to pretend Apple cares about the environment. Wow, how much Kool-Aid do you have to drink to swallow that lie?
 
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Question: say Apple begins taking bitcoin, and I go and buy a $3000 iMac for 0.08 btc. A few days later, Musk tweets the kind of things he tweets, and bitcoin plummets by 50%. Also, I decide I don't like the iMac anymore, and I want to return it for a refund (which I'm entitled to). Would Apple give me my 0.08 btc back or 0.16 btc?
.08

Why would it be .16? they aren't doing exchange rates, but as a currency
 
Crypto energy usage is not perfect, but it's constantly iterating and improving. It's a computer product - think of how efficient that tech is today than, say, 20 years ago. There is wealth in developing and driving efficiency in powerful new technology (see: Moore's Law), and that's what serious crypto miners are trying to do. A significant percentage of crypto mining is already using renewable energy wherever possible, though I won't quote a figure because there is no agreed-upon methodology for calculating that. Some interesting reads are below, though, if you're interested.

Business Insider: BTC Bridge to Renewable Future
CNBC: Ark Analyst Says 76% of Crypto Energy Use from Renewables
BBC: Bitcoin Mining Council to report renewable energy usage

As for the idea that Bitcoin is a pyramid scheme, I don't follow the logic. By definition, a pyramid scheme participant drives their wealth generation as a direct function of people they recruit. Crypto is a young and volatile market, yes, but there is no way to directly profit from bringing other people into it. It functions much more closely to the stock market (which, depending on your point of view, could also be corrupt and a significant driver of criminal and environment-destroying activity) than to any pyramid scheme.
I’m not going to comment on the first part because I specifically only called out Bitcoin for being an environmental travesty.

As for the pyramid scheme bit, I don’t see how it’s anything but. Early entrants profit from newcomers buying in. The last person holding the hot potato when the group moves on loses everything becuase the thing they bought is actually worthless.
At least shares are tied to a business that likely produces something, Bitcoin is only as valuable as everyone plays along, and at the end of the day the goal is always to cash out into a currency that you can actually use.
 
They’re not making a new coin. They’re just desperately trying to find a guy to figure out how to pay all these malware ransoms
 
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For those who still don’t invest in cryptocurrency, you’ll be sorry for being dumb in 2025. Buy btc or eth each week with dinner money, let’s say $5-$10. Buy and forget and check back in 2025.
"Buy crypto"; "Convince others to buy crypto"; "Watch the demand increase".


Sure sounds like a pyramid scheme to me.
 
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Mining Cryptos using lots of electricity and not good for the environment. If Apple going to green, not a good idea to support cryptos.

The batteries in an iPhone are charged mostly through electricity generated by burning fossil fuels. I guess Apple should stop selling iPhones too? 🤷‍♂️
 
Dear Apple, please don’t start accepting crypto. If you did, it will validate current cryptos. While I appreciate block chain as a technology, it’s current implementation on popular cryptos is nothing short of a modern technology scam.

This guy sold in the dip. F.
 
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That cryptos thing is only good for criminals!

We should continue to use the dollar, since nobody has ever been able to pursue illegal activities with such currency.

It’s not like you could put them in a suitcase and move money out of the country or something!
 
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"Buy crypto"; "Convince others to buy crypto"; "Watch the demand increase".


Sure sounds like a pyramid scheme to me.

“Trust Dollars”.

Print as many dollars as you like.

“Let’s generate some monetary stimulus, the FED will be lowering interest rates and pursuing a QE not only with long term treasury bonds so we lower the yield curve but also with alternative positions like securities, ETFs and other instruments”.

Call it complex names so people don’t understand it while real interest rates go negative and your government is erasing your savings.

Sounds like a scam to me.
 
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Processing fees (and currencies to run processing) effectively are inflation in crypto land….

fiat doesn’t have a processing fees

Fiat does have processing fees unless you have banks that work for free in your area (sarcasm). What fiat doesn’t have is a deterministic inflation rate.

First you should educate yourself regarding the myriad of options and the intended function each one has, instead of proudly flaunting your lack of knowledge.
 
Fiat does have processing fees unless you have banks that work for free in your area (sarcasm). What fiat doesn’t have is a deterministic inflation rate.

First you should educate yourself regarding the myriad of options and the intended function each one has, instead of proudly flaunting your lack of knowledge.
Bank to bank transfers I made when living in Australia were free.

Bank to Bank transfers here in Thailand are generally free within the same region.
 
Bank to bank transfers I made when living in Australia were free.

Bank to Bank transfers here in Thailand are generally free within the same region.
Maybe you’re not aware that every time you use your credit card either you or the vendor pay fees and if he’s the one who pays he’ll pass them to his customers as price increases. Between many, many other fees, like forex and so on, which are baked into everything you buy.
 
Maybe you’re not aware that every time you use your credit card either you or the vendor pay fees and if he’s the one who pays he’ll pass them to his customers as price increases. Between many, many other fees, like forex and so on, which are baked into everything you buy.
Maybe you are not aware that not everyone uses credit cards for everything.

I literally don't even have one. I have a visa debit for the few things that really don't support any other option, but there aren't that many things that truly require it here.
 
Maybe you are not aware that not everyone uses credit cards for everything.

I literally don't even have one. I have a visa debit for the few things that really don't support any other option, but there aren't that many things that truly require it here.
Even if we were to suppose there are no fees, which is false, we’re talking about currencies that can be minted at will. To give you a simple example, 22% of all dollars in circulation were created in 2020.

The only reason why that looks normal is everybody is used to it (and nobody says it out loud).
 
I literally just told you there are no transfer fees.
I literally just told you that if you’re buying a product or service which has any part of its value chain in a different jurisdiction there are forex fees.

But those fees are peanuts compared to printing money non stop.
 
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