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Automakers are afraid to give up control of this technology, and future yet to be even thought of revenue opportunities, to Apple. The IBM giving up software ownership to Microsoft is a decision no company wants to repeat.
The infotainment system on most vehicles always seemed like an afterthought. Automakers are looking for that fancy gift wrapper which is the infotainment system and some connected tech to hook a potential buyer. They are more interested to in once you drive-off the lit the subscription model of maintainable/serviceable items kicks in 3-6 months onward as most buyers take their cars to the dealership for overpriced servicing.
 
With Apple and Siri the car will drive you to a “mattress shop” to purchase a much needed mattress as you are finding the car’s seats comfortable enough to sleep. 😂

"hey, Siri, drive me to Melissa's(my mistress) condo, alert her iPhone so she can come down, and then drive us both to the farthest mattress store.... then delete this trip from your memory as well as format the memory of the dashcam "

(Melissa and I wore out her current mattress..... no sense in accidentally bumping into the wife by going to the nearest mattress store.... and it's wise to have Siri wipe history of this allegedly mattress-shopping trip)

Siri responded with "Good morning, this is your wake-up alarm, you just had a dream, your wife added a reminder for me to tell you to stop talking in your sleep and yelling out her sister Melissa's name all the time"
 
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Will Apple still be committed to updating Car Play for a 13-year-old vehicle? How does one secure a 13-year-old vehicle processor and its old firmware/OS? I see a lot of liability issues. Will we discard vehicles as quickly as we retire seven-year-old computers?

I'm fascinated by the forthcoming EV's and their focus on real-time navigation with passenger comfort.
Isn’t the dash side of things basically just a touch display? I thought one of the benefits of CarPlay and Android Auto was that all updates are done on the device side. Since we already replace devices every few years we don’t have to worry about supporting a 13 year old car.
 
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Apple is looking to expand CarPlay's functionality to include controls for core car functions such as the air conditioning system, radio, speedometer, seats, and more, according to a new report from Bloomberg.

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The project, internally codenamed "IronHeart," is still in its early stages but would include Apple working with carmakers to expand CarPlay's functionality to control core car functions. Beyond apps for music and navigation, CarPlay doesn't let users control any aspect of the car itself. This new iPhone-based project would be looking to change that.
The report lists several different car functions that CarPlay could display in the future, including inside and outside temperature and humidity readings, seats and armrests, instrument cluster, and controls for the cars built-in speakers.

Bloomberg says Apple's CarPlay strategy is similar to that of its Home and Health offerings, where the company has consolidated users' information into single apps on their iPhone. With "IronHeart," CarPlay would be a more comprehensive system for users to control their vehicle without having to switch between CarPlay and the car's control system.

Ultimately, while Apple is rumored to be building its own car, CarPlay and any of its plans would require the cooperation of carmakers. As today's report notes, Apple has struggled to convince some carmakers to adopt certain features of CarPlay into their vehicles.
Apple recently tapped Kevin Lynch, who was previously an important part of developing watchOS, to lead the Apple Car team, but following several departures, doubts are starting to arise about whether Apple will ever release its own vehicle.

Article Link: Apple Looking to Expand CarPlay With New Integrations for AC, Seats, Instrument Cluster, and More
How about doing something useful like adding Radarscope to CarPlay? I have to leave CarPlay to get to my Sirius Weather.
 
I agree and disagree.

It is nice to have things like Dog/Camp Mode added due to customer feedback and not have to buy a new model year to get it (if it ever shows up at all).

I have a Volt with "physical buttons" and I find I still need to look at the center stack to make sure I am hitting the right thing.
What year is your volt? Mine has physical buttons but most don’t actually move. They are basically just touch sensitive buttons that can’t change function. They provide the same pleasure I got from my LG Chocolate.
 
What year is your volt? Mine has physical buttons but most don’t actually move. They are basically just touch sensitive buttons that can’t change function. They provide the same pleasure I got from my LG Chocolate.
2014, mine too has capacitive buttons.
 
That's all well and good, I just wish it was wireless in my Tucson.
I just got a new civic with wireless CarPlay. When you skip songs there’s a slight delay so your not missing out on much but it could be different on other vehicles.
 
You think you do, and I thought so, too.. but it’s eating the battery like c-r-a-z-y. For very short trips it’s ok. For long trips i always plug it in.
same here. I have wireless CarPlay on my 2021 Pacifica Hybrid and I usually just plug in to the usb c to lightning cable. I even have a built in wireless charger, but it gets so HOT.
 
Kind of unbelievable that Apple, the company that likes wireless so much didn't make CarPlay wireless-only from the start.
Wireless Carplay and Android Auto require the vehicle to be equipped with wifi, Bluetooth doesn't have the bandwidth. Google made it available for Android Auto years ago, but it took a long time for manufacturers to catch up.

There's no point in wireless either if your car doesn't have a charging pad. Which still seems to be missing in a lot of new cars.

I like the way Ford has done Sync 4. I get my android auto interface in a window (CarPlay works the same) and all of the other functions of sync are still there.
 
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I think for wireless CarPlay, you'd need a wireless charger in the car too.
Yeah... "wireless charger"... it still has to be plugged into something! I went to visit my sister and my niece had one. I said, "what's that?" She said, "a wireless charger." I grabbed the cord that was plugged into it and the wall socket and said, "what's that?". She said, "a charge cord." I said, "oh." ;)
 
Yeah... "wireless charger"... it still has to be plugged into something! I went to visit my sister and my niece had one. I said, "what's that?" She said, "a wireless charger." I grabbed the cord that was plugged into it and the wall socket and said, "what's that?". She said, "a charge cord." I said, "oh." ;)
More and more vehicles now have OEM Qi chargers. All 3 of my vehicles do... But only two have wireless access to CarPlay and Android Auto.

There are aftermarket Qi charging pads that can be installed without using a usb port or AC port. They just take a bit more work, most dealerships shouldn't have an issue installing one.
 
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The touch....
Isn’t the dash side of things basically just a touch display? I thought one of the benefits of CarPlay and Android Auto was that all updates are done on the device side. Since we already replace devices every few years we don’t have to worry about supporting a 13 year old car.
...display is simply an interface between you and the vehicle. Apple and Google intend to provide the processing instructions to control a vehicles performance and safety systems. Vehicles are becoming much more reliant on code to operate. This goes much deeper than the “CarPlay” we know today.
 
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You think you do, and I thought so, too.. but it’s eating the battery like c-r-a-z-y. For very short trips it’s ok. For long trips i always plug it in.
What's latency like for genuine wireless carplay?
I bought on Amazon a dongle that provides wireless carplay and mostly it works pretty well. Maybe once a month it gets confused somehow and I have to powercycle the head unit, but mostly OK. The two main irritations are

- startup is many more seconds than it used to be because the dongle takes its sweet time booting up and, in standard cheap consumer electronics fashion, has done NOTHING to optimize the boot process. (Head unit is the same, ridiculously slow startup!)

- there's notable (bearable, but noticeable latency). One obvious place you see it is touching play/pause where the audio will continue for say a second after you hit pause. It's also slightly present (not a catastrophe, but noticeable) in nav mapping lagging very slightly behind where you are.

I'd hope that "official" wireless carplay is better in both these respects, but I don't know.
 
The touch....

...display is simply an interface between you and the vehicle. Apple and Google intend to provide the processing instructions to control a vehicles performance and safety systems. Vehicles are becoming much more reliant on code to operate. This goes much deeper than the “CarPlay” we know today.
Yes and no.

AC or sets is hardly core car functionality. Likewise if the car were willing to give up the same info it makes available over the OBD port (things like speed, gas level, early warning indicators) Apple might be able to do interesting things with that.
There was a company, Automatic, that made a dongle that plugged into the ODB port and use that info for a variety of interesting purposes including
- allowing you to record everywhere you drove and how fuel-efficient you were
- noting if your car was starting to be less fuel efficient than usual
- warning you if you drove in various sub-optimal ways (aggressive starts or breaking)
- warning you of various "check engine" conditions

In principle Apple could do the same thing today (via an Apple dongle plugged into ODB), but it's obviously a better user experience if the car manufacturers just provide this same data to Apple via whatever connector already connects to their head unit/Car Play unit.

The real issue for the car companies is basically same as the cell companies -- they don't know how to provide a decent experience from what they have, but they can't stand the thought that someone else might generate user value from "their" data...
And they seem determined to handle this the same way as cell companies -- not by doing a better job, but being otal dicks who try to prevent anyone else from doing a better job. Hasn't worked out well for the cell companies...
 
Yes and no.

AC or sets is hardly core car functionality. Likewise if the car were willing to give up the same info it makes available over the OBD port (things like speed, gas level, early warning indicators) Apple might be able to do interesting things with that.
There was a company, Automatic, that made a dongle that plugged into the ODB port and use that info for a variety of interesting purposes including
- allowing you to record everywhere you drove and how fuel-efficient you were
- noting if your car was starting to be less fuel efficient than usual
- warning you if you drove in various sub-optimal ways (aggressive starts or breaking)
- warning you of various "check engine" conditions

In principle Apple could do the same thing today (via an Apple dongle plugged into ODB), but it's obviously a better user experience if the car manufacturers just provide this same data to Apple via whatever connector already connects to their head unit/Car Play unit.

The real issue for the car companies is basically same as the cell companies -- they don't know how to provide a decent experience from what they have, but they can't stand the thought that someone else might generate user value from "their" data...
And they seem determined to handle this the same way as cell companies -- not by doing a better job, but being otal dicks who try to prevent anyone else from doing a better job. Hasn't worked out well for the cell companies...
Agree but also some car OEMs dragged their feet on CarPlay integration because it hurt sales of pricy original equipment GPS mapping systems.

Honda for instance had successfully tested CarPlay but delayed it about 2 years because thy had a 1000+$ nav system they were milking for its last drops (and as a result, no CP and forced reliance on several crappy apps.)
 
Yes and no.

AC or sets is hardly core car functionality. Likewise if the car were willing to give up the same info it makes available over the OBD port (things like speed, gas level, early warning indicators) Apple might be able to do interesting things with that.
There was a company, Automatic, that made a dongle that plugged into the ODB port and use that info for a variety of interesting purposes including
- allowing you to record everywhere you drove and how fuel-efficient you were
- noting if your car was starting to be less fuel efficient than usual
- warning you if you drove in various sub-optimal ways (aggressive starts or breaking)
- warning you of various "check engine" conditions

In principle Apple could do the same thing today (via an Apple dongle plugged into ODB), but it's obviously a better user experience if the car manufacturers just provide this same data to Apple via whatever connector already connects to their head unit/Car Play unit.

The real issue for the car companies is basically same as the cell companies -- they don't know how to provide a decent experience from what they have, but they can't stand the thought that someone else might generate user value from "their" data...
And they seem determined to handle this the same way as cell companies -- not by doing a better job, but being otal dicks who try to prevent anyone else from doing a better job. Hasn't worked out well for the cell companies...
(I’ll also add this following comment as a reply to you because you have an insider’s appreciation of this topic.)

I wonder: How long before Apple offers iCloud CarPlay Secure Dashcam Video ??
 
I’m surprised the EU hasn’t required that all cars support CarPlay and Android auto. The auto manufacture has a monopoly with the onboard infotainment system.

To extend the joke would be when Apple releases their own brand of EVs the EU requires they open up their entire ecosystem and allow Android Audio and other systems just because it's Apple and its walled garden.
 
To extend the joke would be when Apple releases their own brand of EVs the EU requires they open up their entire ecosystem and allow Android Audio and other systems just because it's Apple and its walled garden.
Agreed. They should. The barrier to entry for the auto industry is far larger than the barrier to entry to consumer electronics. It takes a lot less capital to launch a cell phone than a car.
 
You think you do, and I thought so, too.. but it’s eating the battery like c-r-a-z-y. For very short trips it’s ok. For long trips i always plug it in.
Wireless CarPlay and wireless charging is what I’m looking for
 
I want my phone to act like carplay when I’m on my motorcycle please apple
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I know they'll never do it, but I would really like them to allow CarPlay to run as an app on iPhones and iPads. CarPlay receivers are just external monitors for the Apple devices anyway, plus vehicle control stuff. If I don't want the vehicle control stuff, it would be sweet to have that driving-mode dash.
 
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