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Apple Looking to Launch $799 MacBook Air in 3Q 2012?
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If by stronger you mean, dead even, then that statement works. CAD was only ahead for a year. You can almost draw a straight line on the exchange rate the last couple years.
It's all the people that don't know what they want that might matter. Considering how the iPad exploded, I'd say there's quite a few in that state. Kinda like politics in our horrific 2-party mess in the US. All the campaigning is aimed at the "middle", not the wackos on both ends.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
Are you saying iPads are catching on because of some fad rather than a genuine need for a tablet form factor ? 😱
Though I've been saying it for quite a while : What is drawing people into the iPad is not the tablet form factor itself. It's the experience of iOS. Yes, it's limited, it's walled and controlled. But frankly, for my grandma or step father, it's all they'll ever need and it's mostly hassle free.
Take the iOS experience, package it up as a tablet, a laptop, a desktop, you have a great big market there. The "Post-PC" era is not about hardware form factors, it's the software. Some vendors are catching on, Apple seems to be too focused on the tablet to notice it though. An ARM based MBA with iOS...
Interesting, even if Apple will cut the price by 200$, which in my opinion will never happen, Apple will still make tons of profit for one simple reason: With an entry price of 800$ it will become a potential product for more people. Not a lot of people would like to spend 1.000$ on a 11" notebook, but 800? Hell yeah. The only thing I'm afraid about is the hardware. I don't see them fitting a SD slot in there, but the biggest problem will be RAM. For 800$ don't expect 4GB and 128 GB SSD, I think it will be the same as the current model, but with Ivy Bridge CPU.
Understand that there will be new launches for MBA next quarter.
Any possibility of getting MBA 11" with Ivy Bridge on i7?
Any possibility of getting MBA 11" with Ivy Bridge on i7?
What if they simply lower the price of the current MBA and sell it as the new entry model like they do with iOS devices?
Not exactly. More that people are morons.
But frankly, most people only need a tablet (iOS/Android generation of tablets) for what they actually do with a computer. iOS happens to be the best choice yet made. Coincidence that became a positive.
Unlike, say, the popularity of cool-looking Dodge cars, despite the reliability record of a meth addict.
If they did this, Mac marketshare would jump beyond 50%!!! PC OEMs will be crapping themselves with fear this rumour comes true.
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
Lacking 4 GB of RAM in 2012? The DIMMs sell for the price of a good meal and you have densities up to 16 GB. The same carries over to the DRAM chips themselves. Even SSD prices have tanked in the past few months. We are into the US$0.80/GB arena now or lower if you hunt and that is for SATA III.
The amount of RAM an artificial limitation Apple cooked up for product segmentation and bears little on reality unless you are in the market for a Brazos based notebook for $300.
charlituna
macrumors G3
With Apple pushing the iPad for that market, I don't see them considering such things
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It's not the lowering of the price. But the illogic that Apple is doing it to compete with anyone. Or the illogic that would make a lower spec item to chase a price
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Then it's not a MacBook Air
Despite the fact that the rumor came from Digitimes, there is some sensibility behind it.
If the entire MacBook line is being updated to fit the MacBook Air aesthetic, then it seems likely that the current Air models (11 and 13 inch) will stay essentially the same. An update to current generation processors seems obvious, but other than that, I don't know that much else would need to change.
The MacBook Air has matured at this point. The R&D expenses have already passed. Only now are competing manufacturers starting to get passable knockoffs to market, and they're designed to compete with a $999 price point.
Apple dropping a $799 11" Air even with a low-end Ivy Bridge processor would essentially kick those competitors in the teeth. Especially if it means that the 13" models start at a lower entry point as well. The only reason to buy a Windows ultra book is if the price point of the MacBook Air is too high. Apple knows this. They also know that their competitors have been patiently waiting to be able to offer a lower cost alternative to the MBA. They've let Apple create the market and then planned to undercut them on price to get a piece of it. Instead of innovating, they've been spending millions of dollars developing "Comparable" products. If this rumor proves true (and if it does it was still just a wild guess from Digitimes) it will happen because Apple wants to own this market. They'll see the low cost competitors drop off fairly quickly, much like they did with tablets.
I don't believe that competing based on price is in Apple's DNA. That said, taking advantage of smart supply chain management and an early leadership position in a market--thus allowing a lower entry level price point--is smart business.
Here's another way to look at it...there are lots of people who debate between an iPad and a MacBook Air. If the entry level price point is $200 lower, how many of those people might just decide to buy both? It's also a safe bet that with AirPlay mirroring in Mountain Lion, some of those people may buy an Apple TV, or might simply invest in some of the many super high margin accessories that Apple sells. I wouldn't worry about the small margin decrease. It'll be made up for in volume and sales of pull-through items.
As for those who think it might cannibalize iPad sales, or make people question the pricing of the iPad, I'd say you're dead wrong. The average consumer hasn't got a clue what components cost. Nor do they care. The average consumer views an iPad as a much more futuristic and therefore advanced product than a laptop computer, no matter how thin that laptop may be.
If the entire MacBook line is being updated to fit the MacBook Air aesthetic, then it seems likely that the current Air models (11 and 13 inch) will stay essentially the same. An update to current generation processors seems obvious, but other than that, I don't know that much else would need to change.
The MacBook Air has matured at this point. The R&D expenses have already passed. Only now are competing manufacturers starting to get passable knockoffs to market, and they're designed to compete with a $999 price point.
Apple dropping a $799 11" Air even with a low-end Ivy Bridge processor would essentially kick those competitors in the teeth. Especially if it means that the 13" models start at a lower entry point as well. The only reason to buy a Windows ultra book is if the price point of the MacBook Air is too high. Apple knows this. They also know that their competitors have been patiently waiting to be able to offer a lower cost alternative to the MBA. They've let Apple create the market and then planned to undercut them on price to get a piece of it. Instead of innovating, they've been spending millions of dollars developing "Comparable" products. If this rumor proves true (and if it does it was still just a wild guess from Digitimes) it will happen because Apple wants to own this market. They'll see the low cost competitors drop off fairly quickly, much like they did with tablets.
I don't believe that competing based on price is in Apple's DNA. That said, taking advantage of smart supply chain management and an early leadership position in a market--thus allowing a lower entry level price point--is smart business.
Here's another way to look at it...there are lots of people who debate between an iPad and a MacBook Air. If the entry level price point is $200 lower, how many of those people might just decide to buy both? It's also a safe bet that with AirPlay mirroring in Mountain Lion, some of those people may buy an Apple TV, or might simply invest in some of the many super high margin accessories that Apple sells. I wouldn't worry about the small margin decrease. It'll be made up for in volume and sales of pull-through items.
As for those who think it might cannibalize iPad sales, or make people question the pricing of the iPad, I'd say you're dead wrong. The average consumer hasn't got a clue what components cost. Nor do they care. The average consumer views an iPad as a much more futuristic and therefore advanced product than a laptop computer, no matter how thin that laptop may be.
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
throAU
macrumors G4
2c:
apple will double (or quadruple in the base 11" spec case) memory to 8gb as standard and include ivy bridge.
ivy bridge will give them USB3.
price, and the rest of the design will remain as is.
apple don't have 40% margins because they continually redesign stuff. they have 40% margins because they do a good design and keep it for a large number of units shipped, with minor iterations. the current design is 2yr old, it won't change much. the progress apple makes is more software related.
apple will double (or quadruple in the base 11" spec case) memory to 8gb as standard and include ivy bridge.
ivy bridge will give them USB3.
price, and the rest of the design will remain as is.
apple don't have 40% margins because they continually redesign stuff. they have 40% margins because they do a good design and keep it for a large number of units shipped, with minor iterations. the current design is 2yr old, it won't change much. the progress apple makes is more software related.
I understand that it's 2012, but what the hell, my old Notebook I bought in 2005 had 2 GB of RAM and Apple released the MBA with only 2 GB standard in 2011. If they release a 800$ model it will have only 2GB of RAM. The 1.000$ model should have 4 GB.
I can totally see that happening. For a lot of people that entry model would be more than enough.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
The problem Apple may find in adopting their "Post-PC" paradigm after a while though is that the tablet form factor is not something that is comfortable to use for everyone.
Again, I'm convinced the "Post-PC" era Apple speaks of is a software game, not a form factor game. Sticking to tablets and smartphones is limiting. They should go all in, with laptop and desktop form factors with iOS.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
That's pretty much what the refurbs go for already... I really doubt this rumor has anything to do with refurb models.
And anyway, I doubt this rumor has any basis in reality. Unless Apple is really ready to turn a new leaf in their pricing.
Geekbabe
macrumors 6502a
Get them into the Apple ecosystem when they are young by offering schools seriously attractive pricing for bulk orders. Continue in that mission by offering better discounts on MBA & MBP for high school and college students.
Apple could accomplish this by producing less fully featured products or they could just decide to lower their already pretty healthy profit margin a bit more in these cases. If a kid grows up with Apple products chances are good that when he's no longer a struggling student & finally has that good job, he's going to want to buy premium Apple devices.
I work with young people who went to high school in wealthy areas, they used Apple computers throughout their educational years, the thought of buying Windows PC's because they are cheaper is just not something any of them will consider.
Apple could accomplish this by producing less fully featured products or they could just decide to lower their already pretty healthy profit margin a bit more in these cases. If a kid grows up with Apple products chances are good that when he's no longer a struggling student & finally has that good job, he's going to want to buy premium Apple devices.
I work with young people who went to high school in wealthy areas, they used Apple computers throughout their educational years, the thought of buying Windows PC's because they are cheaper is just not something any of them will consider.
