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Crossing fingers the US gets this too. Found a way to EU App Store here using a complicated VPN setup to family in France in my home. It just works. Problem is, I cannot leave the home with it. But maybe the SAT case with Apple they stop focusing on irrelevant things and push for 3PAS
 
I think that underscores the exact issue... macOS does not generate significant revenue for Apple that even comes close to what iOS has. Apple doesn't (can't?) lose that steady revenue. It's what made them the company they are today.
No it’s not. Selling a bajillion iPhones made Apple what they are.
 
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This is more than fair. Apple created and maintains the platform, and gave the developers their customers. Those customers wouldn’t exist without Apple. A commission is standard fare for all businesses.
That is not the point, the point is they’re a gatekeeper, and have anti competitive practices. Paying a % for a service is fine, but let the market decide what is fair, not a number decided by one company or a cartel.
 
I would not want to be an indie app developer and have to navigate these terms and fees. Not worth the effort.
I am an indie developer in the EU and I pay the 30% to Apple because I appreciate its simplicity and recognize the App Store's benefits.
That being said, I agree with the EU regulations because it is a monopoly we are talking about.
And regardless what many US fanboys say, such regulations are bound to come sooner or later to the US as well.
It's not about EU vs US, it's about limiting our societies' reliance on tech giants.
I know it's hard to be able to stay nuanced nowadays but there are people who may prefer something but still want to allow for other people to choose something else...
 
This is all good for developers I suppose.
No. The now more complicated terms with initial fees makes it more difficult for developers to price everything in. They can’t well tell the app users that pricing will vary depending on how long ago the install was.
 
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No it’s not. Selling a bajillion iPhones made Apple what they are.
If you have been following the news for at least the last half decade, you should have noticed that hardware sales' contribution diminishes year by year and services increase...
Explain to me otherwise why Apple has gotten into the f€%##ing film business...
 
I think that underscores the exact issue... macOS does not generate significant revenue for Apple that even comes close to what iOS has. Apple doesn't (can't?) lose that steady revenue. It's what made them the company they are today.
Most of the revenue is still just from the hardware sales. One would think that that should be enough.
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if dragging it out past the end of Vestager’s term is the point.
Considering her party supports the Danish government it's not to be excluded that she would be reappointed again as Denmark's commissioner. Perhaps a Dane member could provide more insights into this possibility.

And FYI if you look up her party in Europe liberal has almost exactly the opposite meaning than in the US.
 
Apple created and maintains the platform, and gave the developers their customers. Those customers wouldn’t exist without Apple.

Yes, and the iPhone wouldn't exist (or at least wouldn’t be nearly as popular) without the developers. It goes both ways.


I also agree that the DMA is vague law. In the US, our Supreme Court wouldn’t let a law this vague stand.

I dunno about that. Plenty of U.S. laws can be vague and open to interpretation which is a reason why we see 6-3, 5-4, etc. decisions by the Supreme Court and this is after going through multiple lower court appeals with varying rulings/decisions.
 
Most of the revenue is still just from the hardware sales. One would think that that should be enough.

Hardware sales are slowly stagnating and falling. Most people with M1 don’t need to upgrade for several years. Those with iPhone 14 don’t need to upgrade every year like in 2012.

App Store and services revenue are the new business model for everyone including Apple.
 
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Hardware sales are slowly stagnating and falling. Most people with M1 don’t need to upgrade for several years. Those with iPhone 14 don’t need to upgrade every year like in 2012.

App Store and services revenue are the new business model for everyone including Apple.
That’s only because they want to continue increasing profits. It’s not because a hardware-sales only business couldn’t be sustainable.
 
The DMA would have to be more clear in order for Apple to make changes that EXACTLY do what the DMA intends. Thing is, the DMA intends to decrease the profits of the affected companies and, for whatever reason, the EU regulators don’t want to just put that in plain text in the document.
The DMA in very easy to grasp though.

Apple has to ask themselves the question for every policy change: ‘are we gatekeeping customers or developers with this?’. If the answer is yes, they are in violation with what the DMA is supposed to do. If no, they can go ahead.
 
The DMA would have to be more clear in order for Apple to make changes that EXACTLY do what the DMA intends. Thing is, the DMA intends to decrease the profits of the affected companies and, for whatever reason, the EU regulators don’t want to just put that in plain text in the document.
It's strange that the law has to be so precise here, when the USA is known for its tendency to make judgements based on feelings, from the smallest policeman to the greatest president.

For you and everyone else who is not familiar with the law in a functioning state:

When it comes to a law, not only the wording is taken into account, but also the "spirit of the law". What a law was passed for. Courts do not judge strictly according to the word, but also according to the meaning behind a law.

In relation to Apple:
The company knows exactly what the law means and how it has to act in accordance with it. But the profits from the fees are so high that it prefers to play for time.
That has nothing to do with the law. Apple is playing poker as high as possible. In the hope that the company will earn more from the additional AppStore fees than it will lose from an upcoming fine.

And everyone should ask themselves why Apple is doing this. After all, the company could be fined up to 20% of its annual turnover.
You can back that up with numbers. But this poker game alone is enough to know how big the "App Store fees" goldmine is. Earning money with virtually no service.
Highway robbery in the digital space.
 
This is all good for developers I suppose. I would make one-time purchases from an external site but not a subscription. I appreciate the ability to cancel or change via Apple. Too many bad experiences trying to cancel or change a subscription on other sites.
While inconvenient now, this will be very good for both consumers and developers in the long run.
 
What? I thought everyone said this was perfectly fine and that they should just keep doing what they were doing? And now they changed it? But why if it was legal?!

Anyways, this is still nonsensical, just less so.
 
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