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It’s because what the EU is doing is wholly improper. Most governments know that punishing success
They are not punishing success. They are only punishing behaviour that harms consumers and competition. They gave Apple and Google a decade to sort themselves out. The same as the market was given over a decade to standardise on a single charging port.

The EU worked hard to get the market to agree on a standard port, they tried to avoid legislation, with the recommendation being MicroUSB at the time. When the market failed to come together, they pushed USB-C as the emerging standard. That worked very nicely. I am down from dozens of USB-A chargers and bespoke cables, plus another 10 non-USB chargers to 3 USB-C chargers for everything, plus a single MicroUSB cable for 3 devices I haven't yet got around to changing.

It was the same with Microsoft in the 90s, they were told to play fair with the competition (not force manufacturers to include a Microsoft license with every VMware server or PC sold for a home build with Linux). Now, if I buy a new PC, I can chose which OS I want, or none. Likewise they were forced to document all of their server APIs, which means we now have a wider variety of tools that work on Server and are better integrated and the systems run more stable.

The DMA is the same result of years of failed negotiations with Big Tech, they were given years to sort things out themselves and stop abusing their position. They ignored the threats, they didn't have a Brad Smith on board who saw the futility of being the bad guys and they are now reaping the rewards.

The EU isn't punishing success, they are punishing the abuse of power by monopolies and monopsonies who close of innovation or who force customers and competitors to pay through the nose to use work on or with their systems.

Google was doing a Microsoft, every Android device had to have a Google Play Store license and the Google apps. There was AOSP, but if a manufacturer built a single non-Google Android device, they could no longer sell any Google licensed devices - this caught out a couple of small companies wanting to build their own AOSP devices over the years, they designed a system and took it to a manufacturer (Pegatron, I believe) and they refused to make their AOSP device, because it meant all the licensed devices they made for other companies could no longer be made by Pegatron, the story was the same at every door they knocked on.

Acer (I believe) wanted to build a range of Google Android devices, but also the same devices with Aliyun OS (an AOSP derivative) for those that didn't want the Google baggage. Google gave them an ultimatum, either drop the Aliyum OS devices or never make a Google Android device again.


Fitbit users have suffered on iPhone for years that their fitness bands and smartwatches don't work fully. The newly resurrected Pebble is facing the same problem, fully featured on Android, castrated functionality on iOS.

If Apple let these sorts of things work properly with iOS they would lose a minimal number of sales of Apple Watches, get good publicity, possibly more iPhone sales and more goodwill, but they are determined to keep doing the wrong thing for as long as they can.

It is the same with these silly alternate stores. 99.9% of iPhone users aren't interested in them and would never use them. But Apple does everything it can to give itself a bad reputation and to garner more interest in alternate stores. If they had quietly allowed 3rd party stores to work, hardly anyone would know about them, hardly anyone would bother installing them and Apple gets good press or no press about it. Instead they strived to get the biggest Streisand Effect out of the situation that they could!

For the fear of losing a couple of million Euros in lost App Store sales, they have fought themselves into a position which forces them to open up to other stores and face multi-billion Euro fines for not complying with the laws they forced to be made and gotten themselves a bad reputation... Way to go!

And, no, I'm not anti-Apple, I really like Apple products, I have an iPhone 16 Pro, Watch 10, iPad Air M2, MacBook Pro M4 and at work an iPhone 14, iPad Air M2 and a MacBook Air M1, which I am looking to upgrade to an M4 shortly... I want Apple to succeed, but I hate what they are doing to themselves with their shortsighted stupidity.

Too many people are "fans" of Big Tech, but have forgotten that being a fan also has the responsibility to look at what they are a fan of a criticise it, when it makes mistakes, they should be shouting at them when they misstep, not becoming yes-men, saying their "hero" can do no wrong. These camps of "fanbois" have lost the plot, for them their "hero" company (what a stupid idea to start with) can do no wrong and must be supported no matter what they do, instead of calling them out when they do something to harm the fans or the world in general. And Apple have become masters of manipulating the image that they have forgotten that it can backfire.
 
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And, no, I'm not anti-Apple, I really like Apple products, I have an iPhone 16 Pro, Watch 10, iPad Air M2, MacBook Pro M4 and at work an iPhone 14, iPad Air M2 and a MacBook Air M1, which I am looking to upgrade to an M4 shortly... I want Apple to succeed, but I hate what they are doing to themselves with their shortsighted stupidity.

Too many people are "fans" of Big Tech, but have forgotten that being a fan also has the responsibility to look at what they are a fan of a criticise it, when it makes mistakes, they should be shouting at them when they misstep, not becoming yes-men, saying their "hero" can do no wrong. These camps of "fanbois" have lost the plot, for them their "hero" company (what a stupid idea to start with) can do no wrong and must be supported no matter what they do, instead of calling them out when they do something to harm the fans or the world in general. And Apple have become masters of manipulating the image that they have forgotten that it can backfire.
I’m not going to point by point addressing your post, but I disagree with most of it.

However, I did want to respond to say that I think arguing that people who think the DMA or USB-C mandates are is bad laws are “fanbois” is ridiculous. I think the DMA a terrible law that will chill innovation written by a bunch of bureaucrats who think cookie popups are a legitimate contribution to society. I think the law is an attempt to ruin what makes Apple great, and contrary to free market principles. I’d still oppose it if Apple wasn’t a target because it’s a bad law written by people who don’t understand what they’re regulating. The law is so bad that I think they are treating Meta unfairly! And I assure you I’m not a Meta “fanboi” by any stretch of the term.

If you disagree and think it’s a good law then that’s fine - people disagree on laws all the time. But to say those of us are cheering Apple on while they “harm their customers and the world” is a bit much. I don’t think Apple is harming its customers or the world, and in fact the DMA is what is doing so. So I’m cheering Apple on as they fight for their customers against what I see as an unjust and immoral law that will result in worse products.
 
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However, I did want to respond to say that I think arguing that people who think the DMA or USB-C mandates are is bad laws are “fanbois” is ridiculous.

I never claimed that. I was just pointing out that many people today are tribal and what their tribe does is always right and what others do is always wrong. This was on the point of what Apple, Google et al do isn't all good and isn't always good for the consumer.

If you disagree and think it’s a good law then that’s fine - people disagree on laws all the time. But to say those of us are cheering Apple on while they “harm their customers and the world” is a bit much. I don’t think Apple is harming its customers or the world, and in fact the DMA is what is doing so. So I’m cheering Apple on as they fight for their customers against what I see as an unjust and immoral law that will result in worse products.
So, Apple refusing to let Pebble work properly with the iPhone isn't restricting innovation? Randomly booting apps and developers out of the stores for no reason isn't restricting innovation? Not letting payment services have access to the NFC isn't restrictive?

One of the things I like on Android was that I could pay directly with my bank's app, not through the Google Wallet (or ApplePay / Apple Wallet on the iPhone), so no third party looking at the transactions, just the bank, which is restricted by the Banking Secrecy Laws, which prohibit it sharing payment information with third parties or selling it.

I trust Apple enough that I use Apple Pay, but I'd have preferred to carry on going direct through my bank and not through a third party...
 
So, Apple refusing to let Pebble work properly with the iPhone isn't restricting innovation? Randomly booting apps and developers out of the stores for no reason isn't restricting innovation? Not letting payment services have access to the NFC isn't restrictive?
Not when Android exists and is open. For example, Pebble has access to Android, that doesn't restrict how third-parties operate with its OS. Pebble is completely free to innovate however they see fit; they just don't have a right to innovate using Apple's property (ie., iOS and associated APIs). Same with the App Store - developers don't have a right to be in the App Store any more than my hypothetical product has a "right" to be sold in Walmart. Android doesn't limit alternate app stores or side loading, and has 70% of the market in the EU. Innovate away and show what you can do when unrestricted by Apple's rules. Payment Services is the same - make an amazing payment service on Android, and get Apple to support it willingly or lose market share. That's how the free market works - not giving away access to Apple's software for free.

Do I understand why hardware manufacturers and developers don't like that answer? Absolutely. I'm sure lots of brands want access to their competitors customers too. But to argue "we can't innovate because Apple won't let us" is as ridiculous as saying "I can't sell my product because Walmart won't carry it".

One of the things I like on Android was that I could pay directly with my bank's app, not through the Google Wallet (or ApplePay / Apple Wallet on the iPhone), so no third party looking at the transactions, just the bank, which is restricted by the Banking Secrecy Laws, which prohibit it sharing payment information with third parties or selling it.

I trust Apple enough that I use Apple Pay, but I'd have preferred to carry on going direct through my bank and not through a third party...
If that is important to you then you have a choice to make. There are a few games on Nintendo that I wish my Playstation played, but that doesn't mean the government should come in and require Playstation and Nintendo games be cross-compatible. You're not entitled to a mobile OS that meets every single one of your preferences, especially if doing so would require a company with 30% market share to behave like the company with 70% - the EU is effectively declaring closed, integrated ecosystems as illegal in the EU, picking one company's business model as the winner and depriving those who prefer the alternative a choice.
 
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