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Yes we do: it will translate into 8/16GB of RAM.

You can do a lot with 16GB and it is perfectly adequate for the sort of things you get these entry-level Macs for, The intel versions of the Air and the lower-end "2 port" 13" MBP that these Macs are replacing also maxed out at 16GB.

People who currently get 32GB+ of RAM (unless it is just for bragging rights) do so because they need to hold large amounts of data in RAM (multiple large bitmaps, sound sample banks, vast arrays for number-crunching) that can't be streamed/swapped to SSD - and 1GB of data on Intel is still 1GB of data on Apple Silicon, especially when they're both running fundamentally the same operating system and applications.

M2/M1X - or whatever the next iteration of the chip that goes into the higher-end Macs is called - will have to offer larger RAM options. Now, if those are going to be hyper-expensive, we may have a problem.
I have 32 GB RAM on my iMac and it's always maxed out, specially with Safari running with 50 tabs opened.
Nothing special here. Just web browsing. I have to use SystemPal to release RAM, although Catalina manages RAM as needed. With an SSD drive, memory swapping makes it less painful, but then it's using your free storage for the swapping.
 
It is surprising that the MBP doesn't support dual external displays. This is not Pro at all... despite all the advancements made in speed.
The base 13” Pro was always more of a ”prosumer” device (arguably the entire 13” Pro line is), so I’m guessing that Apple was less concerned about M1’s display limitations. The Intel model could support 2 external displays, but could not support a 6K display. In any case, they did leave the 4-port model as Intel for now. My guess is that the 4-port model is replaced by the rumored 14” MacBook Pro with a more powerful M1X or M2 SoC that can support 2 external displays.
 
Somebody else brought this, but seriously if the same chip in the Air is in the MB PRO...what makes the MB a PROFESSIONAL device? I know it has a fan but will the fan really gives that significance of a difference between an Air and a PRO work device!?
The touch bar 😆
 
I feel Apple really didn't do a great job of differentiating the models. Yes, one has a fan and one doesn't...but in practical terms nobody has any clue what that means, because we don't know the thermal characteristics of the new CPU. Also Apple give the user the option of 7-core or 8-core GPU, without giving any baseline to know what the difference is. With AMD graphics in the laptops you can at least search for the GPU models to compare, but here the user is left to guess whether one extra GPU core will be worth the extra cash.

I use an a12x iPad Pro and never experience any sluggishness, so in theory the M1 in the Air should be fine for those "normal" tasks of photos/email/slack/messages/web browsing. But I also want to use it for development, and want to know if one Xcode build task is going to push the CPU to start throttling...I guess I'll have to wait for another dev to take the leap and find out.
I can't see the point in getting the extra core option in the air since there's no fan and it will simply throttle under high load anyway. People will get it simply because it's only an extra $50, and it feels better to get the full thing, but I doubt they will get any usable bang for that buck.
 
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I can't see the point in getting the extra core option in the air since there's no fan and it will simply throttle under high load anyway.

How often does the 8-core A12z in the 2020 iPad Pro throttle in comparison to the 7-core A12x in the 2018 iPad Pro?

I certainly don't notice my 2018 12.9" iPad Pro slowing down when I am doing more with it.
 
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Two things to mention:
1. We still don't know how those 8/16 GB Ram will translate on M1 chip, so instead of moaning, let us wait until the devices are out and well reviewed and then we can complain (at least for real).
2. MBA has 8 core CPU and 7 core GPU vs 8/8 core CPU & GPU to MBP. Since Apple didn't mentioned any clock speeds, my guess will be there is the key to the difference + the active cooling. MBA has lower clock speed than MBP - 1 GPU core and no active cooling.
The thing about RAM is that it's only a partly about the program using it, and is also partly about how much data you're trying to process. Also, with the M1 chip, that RAM is shared between the CPU, data, AND GPU, whereas on Intel with discrete graphics card, the GPU has its own seperate RAM. So you're partly right, in that it's quite possible that the M1 and Big Sur are very efficient, and there will be less need for RAM. However, if you are crunching large amounts of data, you're sh*t out of luck, and you've gotta stick with Intel for now.
 
I felt that their speed claims were unnecessarily cryptic. I'm sure they're going to be fast, but I feel like they could have been a little more transparent. What's the "highest selling PC in the same class"?
maybe - I was looking at the Dell site and at the $899-$1200 I search no less than 74 models and that's just Dell - I imagine Lenovo, HP, Acer and Asus also have the same convoluted line up.

Bottom line, even the new Ipad Air blows away anything on the PC side much less the M1
 
Two things to mention:
1. We still don't know how those 8/16 GB Ram will translate on M1 chip, so instead of moaning, let us wait until the devices are out and well reviewed and then we can complain (at least for real).
2. MBA has 8 core CPU and 7 core GPU vs 8/8 core CPU & GPU to MBP. Since Apple didn't mentioned any clock speeds, my guess will be there is the key to the difference + the active cooling. MBA has lower clock speed than MBP - 1 GPU core and no active cooling.
2. They would have mentioned a different clock speed if it was different. Nope, it's the exact same chip. I'd bet my farm on it being basically the exact same A14X/Z chip that will be in the next iPad Pro, but with thunderbolt and so on added in.
 
One thing I wonder is... The 13" M1 Macbook Pro has a fan, but the Air does not. This means that the M1 chip's thermals allow it to operate without a fan.

They have the same chip.

Does this mean that on the MBP, the fan will stay off most of the time and only come on during heavy load? It would be nice to have a laptop that runs fanless under light usage, but can maintain performance with a fan when necessary. It would also be nice to have a "quiet mode" that keeps the fan off and just throttles the CPU as necessary; this would be great for use in a recording studio situation.

Another good reason to keep the fan completely off under light load is reducing the amount of dust that gets in the machine. I bet the fanless Macbook Air will be a GREAT machine for dirty and dusty environments.
I'd bet any money the M1 is basically the same chip as the A14X/Z that will be in the next iPad Pro, but with things like thunderbolt and so on added in. So yes, thermals same as iPad. And yep, iPads do get very hot if running hard. And yep, i bet the iPads throttle when they heat up, just like the Air will. The fan of the MBP will let it run hard for longer without reaching the thermal throttle temperature.
 
How often does the 8-core A12z in the 2020 iPad Pro throttle in comparison to the 7-core A12x in the 2018 iPad Pro?

I certainly don't notice my 2018 12.9" iPad Pro slowing down when I am doing more with it.
I have no idea, are there any benchmarks for this anywhere?
 
If someone truly needs "sustained performance under heavy loads" shouldn't they be waiting for the updated Silicon iMac, Mac Pro, or 16" MBP (or buying the high end Intel versions if they can't wait?)
If someone truly needs that performance I think they should get one of the latest top Intel models... Apple perfected the MBP 16. These new ARM chips haven't undergone heavy sustained use over years of real world testing. IMO just safer going with the tried and tested for now. 2022 will be a great year to jump on ARM... and I'm excited!
 
I agree 100% !

Just wish they had priced the (base) MacBook Air more-Reasonably, like $799 USD OR so, which they absolutely could have done with IN-house Si !

If they had, I would have already ordered one.

I suspect a follow-on, lower-cost MacBook Air could be announced within six months, simply because Apple priced the initial MacBook Air on-par with what it replaced.

More specifically, might NOT sell as well as Apple thought / thinks.

Apple could have done much, much better WRT pricing !
A few things:
  • Apple is comparing the performance against the highest-end i7 Air released earlier this year.
  • They no longer have CPU upgrade options, so in a way they have reduced the price somewhat. The i5 quad-core started at $1099, and the i7 was $1249 with 256GB. Now $1249 buys a 512GB model that is significantly faster than the i7.
  • The switch was likely more about Apple gaining more control, and increasing margins, rather than reducing the prices of base models.
 
Does this mean that on the MBP, the fan will stay off most of the time and only come on during heavy load?
Probably not as much as you'd hope, because the air gap which allows active cooling will reduce passive cooling, since air is a better insulator than aluminium.
 
The “portability” of the MBA is overstated. In reality, the MBA and MBP are equally portable in terms of size, weight, and dimensions. The wedge-shapes profile of the MBA doesn’t change that.

Buy the MBP if you want the slightly longer battery life and don’t mind the Touchbar.

If you hate the Touchbar that much, go for the MBA. 😂
 
The “portability” of the MBA is overstated. In reality, the MBA and MBP are equally portable in terms of size, weight, and dimensions. The wedge-shapes profile of the MBA doesn’t change that.

Buy the MBP if you want the slightly longer battery life and don’t mind the Touchbar.

If you hate the Touchbar that much, go for the MBA. 😂
Agreed. That’s why I’d like to see Apple re-release a 12” model, or even a 13” model with reduced bezels and a 2.4lb weight (like the old 11.6” MacBook Air). Maybe we’ll get one at the next major redesign.
 
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I think that it will only replace the higher end four TB ports 13 inches at first. Basically, Apple will continue to sell the 13" MBP at the 1299 and 1499 price points, and the 14" MBP with mini LEDs will be introduced at the 1799 and 1999 price points. It's only a few generations down the road that the 14" MBP's design will be made available at the cheaper price points. This has been Apple's 13" MBP's modus operandi for a while already (retina, Touch Bar, etc.).
2 TB port 13-inch are gone already. I think that it would make the most sense for Apple to avoid 13- and 14-inch overlap entirely. There has to be a sizeable gain in 14-inch over Air to differentiate the two products. As it stands, there's so little separating the Air and 13-inch, and makes no sense to keep the two around. Air won't go anywhere for now. 13-inch should.
 
Thinking about getting my son a Macbook for Christmas. I'm a PC guy so Macs aren't my thing.
He's in college, he does have a HP Win10 laptop but it's kind of slow. I could put an SSD in it and that'll boost performance but I heard him say he wants a Mac. From what I can tell he's basically web surfering, streaming movies, Zoom/Teams, Word/Excel for school and occasionally messes around with FL Studio.

I'm debating on the MacBook Air silicon chip but only the basic 8GB/256GB model. I know the Silicon doesn't allow for virtualization but can use iPad apps. Should I go that route or get the intel version?

I know memory can't be added so what you buy is what you get but that $200 tax is crazy to get it to 16GB.
 
I'm curious if there are other differences between the two Air models, beside the 1 GPU core difference. Like is the CPU performance different too? It has the same core counts of course, but since the lower Air version uses binned processors, they might also be clocking down the CPU part. Would be interesting to know!
 
Thinking about getting my son a Macbook for Christmas. I'm a PC guy so Macs aren't my thing.
He's in college, he does have a HP Win10 laptop but it's kind of slow. I could put an SSD in it and that'll boost performance but I heard him say he wants a Mac. From what I can tell he's basically web surfering, streaming movies, Zoom/Teams, Word/Excel for school and occasionally messes around with FL Studio.

I'm debating on the MacBook Air silicon chip but only the basic 8GB/256GB model. I know the Silicon doesn't allow for virtualization but can use iPad apps. Should I go that route or get the intel version?

I know memory can't be added so what you buy is what you get but that $200 tax is crazy to get it to 16GB.
Sounds like a good idea to suit those uses, you could always upgrade to the 512SSD. That's always a first call upgrade for me. I think the airs performance is going to be pretty good, like a supercharged iPad... no fan is awesome!
 
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The base 13” Pro was always more of a ”prosumer” device (arguably the entire 13” Pro line is), so I’m guessing that Apple was less concerned about M1’s display limitations. The Intel model could support 2 external displays, but could not support a 6K display. In any case, they did leave the 4-port model as Intel for now. My guess is that the 4-port model is replaced by the rumored 14” MacBook Pro with a more powerful M1X or M2 SoC that can support 2 external displays.
I understand the need or logic for a 14" when there is already a 13".
 
The Intel 7th gen and above had hardware support for decoding 16 simultaneous HEVC video streams. Does anyone know if the Apple M1 has such hardware support for h.265/HEVC?
 
The article needs to be updated.
“users who will be setting about a lot of graphics-based work should opt for the MacBook Pro, as it is only $50 more than the eight-core GPU MacBook Air.”
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“users who will be setting about a lot of graphics-based work should opt for the 512GB MacBook Air, as it is $150 less than the eight-core GPU MacBook Pro 512GB.”
 
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