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The air doesn't feel much like an air these days at only .2 lb lighter.

The 13" Air has always hovered at 3 lbs or slightly less... I would say it the other way around, the 13" pro doesn't seem very Pro these days. But they will sell well and I suppose we will just have to wait for the benchmarks.
 
Somebody else brought this, but seriously if the same chip in the Air is in the MB PRO...what makes the MB a PROFESSIONAL device? I know it has a fan but will the fan really gives that significance of a difference between an Air and a PRO work device!?

Similar to iPhone 12 vs 12pro.... not that much.
 
I think this article should be updated when we get more information about external monitors support. Right now it's hard to parse Apples actually meaning in their descriptions, but it says either:

1) You can only drive one external monitor, but it can be up to 6K (The Pro Monitor)

2) You can only drive one external monitor up to 6k while the laptop display is in use, but if you close the clamshell you can support two external 4k or 5k monitors.

I believe its going to be #2, but my sole reason for believing that is the $1,500 I just spent on my brand new M1 MacBook Air.
 
Likely around 3.2Ghz on burst.

I imagine apple doesn’t publish speeds because to the laymen they don’t look good compared to Intel and AMD chips. Especially to those who lived through the GHz wars.
I pretty much agree.

Apple wanted to avoid the war comparison and just cranked up all old inventory entry lever Macs to finally sell out, so the specs were improved based on what was previously used.

So, if we interpolate those numbers they kept saying x-time faster, we can get pretty good picture how faster or better they are. I personally get excited mostly by the Mac Mini, it was the ASi DTK on sell. For that price i guess it's really entry level M1..
 
Who said it was a professional device? What is a "professional" device? Which professional association do I need to be a member of in order to buy a MacBook Pro? Or do I just have to use it for paid work? If you can have professional golfers, are there professional Minecraft players?

"MacBook Pro" is just a trademark, folks. At best, it means "better than the one without 'pro' on the box".

In practical terms, I'd guess that having a fan and bigger battery means that this one can run the CPU at a higher clock speed for longer (power consumption/heat increases dramatically with clock speed) - but Apple haven't published that level of detail and the only speed claims they are making are vs. the previous two-port 13" MacBook Pro. It certainly looks like it is substantially faster than the 2-port Intel MBP it replaces (which had the same restrictions on max RAM and number of ports).

The rather thin (see what I did there?) distinction between the entry-level 13" MBP and the the MacBook Air has been a thing for a long time - so although I'm slightly surprised that it hasn't gone away with Apple Silicon, I guess Apple's market research people must have a vague idea of what they are doing.

They did say on the presentation the fan allowed sustained work.

Also from what they said these 2 laptops are their most popular. Makes sense to release them first if they are the lowest powered too.
 
UK prices, everything configured with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD to make prices comparable:

  1. MacBook Air, 7 core GPU = £1,399
  2. MacBook Air, 8 core GPU = £1,449
  3. MacBook Pro, 8 core GPU = £1699.
You can't compare prices unless you make RAM and SSD the same. Both support only one external display, up to 6K. With all models 8GB = subtract £200, 256GB = subtract £200, 1TB = add £200, 2TB = add £600. So I would probably take the one for £1,399. Plus an external 4K monitor, lots available for £350 to £400.
 
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If someone truly needs "sustained performance under heavy loads" shouldn't they be waiting for the updated Silicon iMac, Mac Pro, or 16" MBP (or buying the high end Intel versions if they can't wait?)
No? I have a max spec'd 2020 13" Pro that handles heavy loads quite well right now. Neither of these are a replacement for that, which is why you can still purchase the higher spec MBP with Intel parts.
 
Who said it was a professional device? What is a "professional" device? Which professional association do I need to be a member of in order to buy a MacBook Pro? Or do I just have to use it for paid work? If you can have professional golfers, are there professional Minecraft players?

"MacBook Pro" is just a trademark, folks. At best, it means "better than the one without 'pro' on the box".

In practical terms, I'd guess that having a fan and bigger battery means that this one can run the CPU at a higher clock speed for longer (power consumption/heat increases dramatically with clock speed) - but Apple haven't published that level of detail and the only speed claims they are making are vs. the previous two-port 13" MacBook Pro. It certainly looks like it is substantially faster than the 2-port Intel MBP it replaces (which had the same restrictions on max RAM and number of ports).

The rather thin (see what I did there?) distinction between the entry-level 13" MBP and the the MacBook Air has been a thing for a long time - so although I'm slightly surprised that it hasn't gone away with Apple Silicon, I guess Apple's market research people must have a vague idea of what they are doing.
Um... Apple did, when they put the thing in their Macbook PRO line, and then wasted 15 minutes of a 45 minute presentation showing "professionals" oooo'ing and aaaahhhh'ing over the thing?
 
One thing I wonder is... The 13" M1 Macbook Pro has a fan, but the Air does not. This means that the M1 chip's thermals allow it to operate without a fan.

They have the same chip.

Does this mean that on the MBP, the fan will stay off most of the time and only come on during heavy load? It would be nice to have a laptop that runs fanless under light usage, but can maintain performance with a fan when necessary. It would also be nice to have a "quiet mode" that keeps the fan off and just throttles the CPU as necessary; this would be great for use in a recording studio situation.

Another good reason to keep the fan completely off under light load is reducing the amount of dust that gets in the machine. I bet the fanless Macbook Air will be a GREAT machine for dirty and dusty environments.
I think that is indeed pretty much the idea, it sounds like driving the 6K display requires fan cooling, presumably so you don't start dropping frames when the chip has to self regulate itself for temperature. That also seems to be true with the Apple TV 4K, they've added a fan to that, presumably to ensure it can keep pushing out the 4K frames at a consistent frame rate.
 
> as it is only $50 more than the eight-core GPU MacBook Air.

This is not true, or at least misleading.

The upgraded $1249 Air has 512GB storage. The equivalent Pro is $1499, so for an equivalent configuration, the Pro is $250 more.
 
Somebody else brought this, but seriously if the same chip in the Air is in the MB PRO...what makes the MB a PROFESSIONAL device? I know it has a fan but will the fan really gives that significance of a difference between an Air and a PRO work device!?
That's my thought as well, but I have to imagine that having a fan allows the M1 to run at higher frequencies and for a much longer duration. It will probably be a difference mainly seen on pro level tasks such as exporting video or exporting a large batch of edited RAW files. Things that are done over a longer timespan. I think even when the iPad wasn't sporting an X variant in the past, it still ran at a faster frequency. Now imagine how fast that iPad could run if it had a fan—not that I want the iPad to have a fan—but just imagine it. Now imagine it with at least double the thermal envelope (large enclosure) and a laptop-caliber fan. The thermal headroom on these efficient little 5nm chips is probably substantial when you add active cooling. Still yet to be seen. I think Apple didn't push it much on the MacBook Pro because they didn't want to marginalize the Air for not having a fan. I also think the Air is their best selling computer?
 
Somebody else brought this, but seriously if the same chip in the Air is in the MB PRO...what makes the MB a PROFESSIONAL device? I know it has a fan but will the fan really gives that significance of a difference between an Air and a PRO work device!?
The fan so the cpu doesn’t slow down :p
 
Given that the chipset and almost all of the options are exactly the same between the Air and the Pro, it might be easier to see them as the same device, with the "pro" part just being an upgrade. I made a handy overview using this perspective:

MacBook Air (256 GB, 8GB ram, 8core, 7core GPU) base price: $1000
512 GB: +200,
1 TB: +400,
2 TB: +800
16 GB ram: +200
Extra GPU core: +50 (required for Pro)
Pro*: +250

Pro = 2 hours extra battery, active fan, brighter display, Touch Bar, better sound, 100 grams heavier, faster charging (I think?)
 
Just a reminder of what used to be considered portable, and at 10x the price. We are truly living in a world of plenty.

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Somebody else brought this, but seriously if the same chip in the Air is in the MB PRO...what makes the MB a PROFESSIONAL device? I know it has a fan but will the fan really gives that significance of a difference between an Air and a PRO work device!?
I‘ll be a Pro because every time I hear that fan and look at my laptop I’ll see the word ”Pro”. And then I’ll know I’m truly a Pro* because I paid more money for basically the same machine as the Air. ‘Cos if that’s not Pro, what is? 🤔



(I cancelled my order for a Pro & bought an Air instead).
 
I am very interested by the evolution and the arrival of these 5 nm CPUs. I am eager to see the first benchmarks and feedbacks by real users with regular applications.
 
Same old story. Apple is no longer on Intel and everyone get crazy because one to one spec comparisons are not possible. It’s happened when Apple was on PowerPC and it looks like it is happening again. Real world ability to perform tasks is the most relevant thing. But I guess people just love comparisons charts.
 
on a positive note holiday return period has started so plenty of time to test if I can stress the MacBook Air m1 then can swap for the pro if needed
 
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It's all going to come down to cooling with the two devices and thorough tests before I pop my cash. Right now I am favoring the MB Air all the way while I wait on the iMac 24" to come hopefully soon.
 
Keep in mind that "Pro" does not mean "Professional" but "Profit." That should clarify most of the design differences.

Similar discussions have been made for the Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR. Many people buying for how they look sitting on their desks. Many professionals saying they aren't good enough for their workflows.
 
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