Or made decent software.Think how much more it could have grown if they could put an M5 in any of the three desktop computers they still make.
Or made decent software.Think how much more it could have grown if they could put an M5 in any of the three desktop computers they still make.
I’m a bit confused about that as well, MacBook Neo started shipping on March 11, so will be included in these numbers. Why does the article not mention that?MacBook Neo effect?
What is your source for this? Are you including ChromeOS in that comparison? If not, you’d have to go back to before the Intel Macs for Linux to be even close.“Traditional “ computers is the one segment where Apple still has a massive margin for growth. MacOs is a mere 14% ( more or less ) of this market. At one point , even Linux had a bigger share than the Mac . With the backlash against Windows11 and the Copilot-everywhere, a lot of people are looking for alternatives .
I hate these types of misleading articles. They compare one manufacturer, Apple, to a hundred different vendors all bundled into a class of "Overall PC Market". Everyone is a computer manufacturer. How about comparing Apple to the number one "PC" manufacturer, Lenovo and put up a headline that Apple sold 63% less Macs than Lenovo sold PC's? How much did Lenovo sales go up or down? Didn't see that stat or even a link to the report.
While everyone here just loves to see Macs outselling PC's using some random metric, the fact is, the "Overall PC Market" sells magnitudes more units than Apple does.
EDIT: I see the link in the first sentence. Lenovo grew almost 9% and #5 Asus grew 17%.
Still remember Steve’s, “we’re 5% there, only 95% to go!”What is your source for this? Are you including ChromeOS in that comparison? If not, you’d have to go back to before the Intel Macs for Linux to be even close.
By the way, 14% is on the high end of Apple’s historical market share. But it’s obvious Neo will push it up. I have no doubt that sometime in 2026 Apple will reach it’s highest ever market share.
Apple looks like it will come ahead of Dell in the not too distant future.
The whole article is also based on made up estimates as Apple doesn't report actual numbers. Does Apple ship products to resellers and not charge them? Not clear how a shipment doesn't equal a sale (to Apple).Also, you should be aware, that the numbers in the article are about shipments and not about anything sold. Did you skim the whole article or what?
Dell did a reversal and brought back the XPS name for that line this year. They are also copying Apple's pricing policy making sure to include a "Dell tax", which is hilarious!Dell's laptop line is a complete joke. They're copying Apple's naming convention and making it so much worse:
Dell Laptop 16
Dell Premium 16
Dell Premium Plus 16
Dell 16 Pro
Dell 16 Pro Plus
Dell 16 Plus
Dell 16 Pro Max
Dell Pro Max 16 Plus
Dell Pro Premium 13
Dell Pro 14 Essential
Dell clearly doesn't understand sales. If you give people too many options that are confusing, they will walk away just confused.
Is that your guess or is that backed by some sort of poll or research you can link to?“Traditional “ computers is the one segment where Apple still has a massive margin for growth. MacOs is a mere 14% ( more or less ) of this market. At one point , even Linux had a bigger share than the Mac . With the backlash against Windows11 and the Copilot-everywhere, a lot of people are looking for alternatives .
Its about the operating system, not the manufacturers. People are not happy with Windows 11 and looking for an alternative, thus some are switching to Chromebooks and Macs.I feel the Neo will bring a lot of Windows users over from the dark side of the force.
And with Lenovo so far ahead in sales, their economies scales over the competition have to be a great advantage over the completion. And with Dell so far behind, I can't see their margins sustainable to keep the company afloat for too much longer unless they can offer a good added value somewhere, and AI is not going to do it any time soon, at least not with PC and laptop sale. But it looks like they are toast. Look to see them try to focus more and more into services and divest from their computer sales.Dell's laptop line is a complete joke. They're copying Apple's naming convention and making it so much worse:
Dell Laptop 16
Dell Premium 16
Dell Premium Plus 16
Dell 16 Pro
Dell 16 Pro Plus
Dell 16 Plus
Dell 16 Pro Max
Dell Pro Max 16 Plus
Dell Pro Premium 13
Dell Pro 14 Essential
Dell clearly doesn't understand sales. If you give people too many options that are confusing, they will walk away just confused.
Dell is doing fine. $113B in full year revenue ($60B in servers, storage, and enterprise solutions; $44B in commercial and consumer PCs of which only ~$6B is consumer). "Only $30B" in debt but serviceable. I could see them cutting consumer PCs if it got tight for them, but they have "healthy" margins for a PC manufacturer of around 22% and net income of $9B. Nothing like Apple, but more than enough to keep going. I still see tons of Dell PCs in corporate environments, and they are showing mid/high single digit growth across most of the segments they serve. Consumer PCs aren't spectacular for them, but Dell hasn't relied on consumer PCs to stay afloat for at least 10 years. Once they purchased EMC (storage) in 2016, that's when they made the pivot to focus more on enterprise than in the past, and then they went public again in 2018 (after Michael Dell took them private in 2013 when things were really shaky).And with Lenovo so far ahead in sales, their economies scales over the competition have to be a great advantage over the completion. And with Dell so far behind, I can't see their margins sustainable to keep the company afloat for too much longer unless they can offer a good added value somewhere, and AI is not going to do it any time soon, at least not with PC and laptop sale. But it looks like they are toast. Look to see them try to focus more and more into services and divest from their computer sales.
Are you serious ? There’s like thousands of articles , threads of Reddit ,PC forums , Twitter, etc…Is that your guess or is that backed by some sort of poll or research you can link to?
Yes we can cherry pick, but things are not good with Dell, their consumer margins are lower and catering from competition. This reminds me of what people said about Intel before they went on life support. Dell's computer business is not long for this word. As a services business? sure, why not.Dell is doing fine. $113B in full year revenue ($60B in servers, storage, and enterprise solutions; $44B in commercial and consumer PCs of which only ~$6B is consumer). "Only $30B" in debt but serviceable. I could see them cutting consumer PCs if it got tight for them, but they have "healthy" margins for a PC manufacturer of around 22% and net income of $9B. Nothing like Apple, but more than enough to keep going. I still see tons of Dell PCs in corporate environments, and they are showing mid/high single digit growth across most of the segments they serve. Consumer PCs aren't spectacular for them, but Dell hasn't relied on consumer PCs to stay afloat for at least 10 years. Once they purchased EMC (storage) in 2016, that's when they made the pivot to focus more on enterprise than in the past, and then they went public again in 2018 (after Michael Dell took them private in 2013 when things were really shaky).
Lol, Apple still lacks the software.Think how much more it could have grown if they could put an M5 in any of the three desktop computers they still make.
Probably users that are into media and gaming other than that might have lots of eh burn in.I don’t think the average consumer cares if their laptop has OLED.
What do you mean cherry pick? I just gave you an overview of their annual report. And it covered off on their two primary operating units (server/storage/services and enterprise/consumer PCs). I gave you the entire cherry tree. Haha. I don’t disagree that they lack strength in their consumer PC offering, but it only represents $6B of their $131B in revenue. If they exited the consumer PC space tomorrow, there would still be Dell doing just fine. They aren’t sinking tons of capital into building out fabs like Intel and they aren’t cash constrained like Intel. Dell will probably take a page out of IBM’s book and just spin off or sell their PC unit (if it becomes necessary) just like IBM did with Lenovo. Again, I’m not completely disagreeing with your thesis about their PC offerings, but you are off base thinking weakness in that segment equates to weakness for Dell overall. The financials just don’t support that perspective (for now).Yes we can cherry pick, but things are not good with Dell, their consumer margins are lower and catering from competition. This reminds me of what people said about Intel before they went on life support. Dell's computer business is not long for this word. As a services business? sure, why not.
lol, spin it.What do you mean cherry pick? I just gave you an overview of their annual report. And it covered off on their two primary operating units (server/storage/services and enterprise/consumer PCs). I gave you the entire cherry tree. Haha. I don’t disagree that they lack strength in their consumer PC offering, but it only represents $6B of their $131B in revenue. If they exited the consumer PC space tomorrow, there would still be Dell doing just fine. They aren’t sinking tons of capital into building out fabs like Intel and they aren’t cash constrained like Intel. Dell will probably take a page out of IBM’s book and just spin off or sell their PC unit (if it becomes necessary) just like IBM did with Lenovo. Again, I’m not completely disagreeing with your thesis about their PC offerings, but you are off base thinking weakness in that segment equates to weakness for Dell overall. The financials just don’t support that perspective (for now).