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I buy Apple products......so that 160 BILLION in cash reserves....well some came from me! :)

Once you hand your $$$ over, it's no longer yours Jamezr :)

Regardless of Apple's intentions, the 1.6 mil will help people, maybe save a life or ten.
 
Whats wrong with patriotism?

It's pointless. It's stupid. It makes people mindlessly follow stupid, corrupt things.

"Support the war and be patriotic or you support the terrorists" is all any politician has to say and everyone just goes right along with pointless, illegal wars. Apple moving jobs here makes no one more free, that's ridiculous. Their whole purpose is to gain money, not waste it to spend it just to spout off some patriotic garbage.
 
Its funny how they think they can make up rules about what qualifies as good and honorable donation without them doing the same thing
No one is making rules on HONORABLE donation.

Business need to pay taxes.
They can either give it to the government or donate to a charitable cause.
Oprah does this all the time. Makes her look good but that tax money is the public's money that the government allowed to be diverted elsewhere without consulting the public.
It's like someone owes you money and they decide to give it to your family instead without your consent.
 
Once you hand your $$$ over, it's no longer yours Jamezr :)

Regardless of Apple's intentions, the 1.6 mil will help people, maybe save a life or ten.
agreed.....i hope it does save some lives. :)

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It's pointless. It's stupid. It makes people mindlessly follow stupid, corrupt things.

"Support the war and be patriotic or you support the terrorists" is all any politician has to say and everyone just goes right along with pointless, illegal wars. Apple moving jobs here makes no one more free, that's ridiculous. Their whole purpose is to gain money, not waste it to spend it just to spout off some patriotic garbage.
I guess it is a good thing most people didn't feel like you over the course of our country's history......Our country might not exist......
 
Is this a back handed way of appeasing the Chinese government? I haven't seen Apple publically donate towards other disasters in countries that aren't key markets or is that just me being way too synical.

As Apple is an investor and therefore a suppoter of the Israeli regime reeking so much death and destruction right now, I would suggest that Apple also donates a substantial sum to the emergency fund for Gaza at http://www.dec.org.uk/
 
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Steve's primary focus was on providing the best product for his customers. Tim is also focused on supporting his suppliers. Has nothing to do with good-will or heart. It has everything to do with growing the business, which is what it should be. Businesses have one prime objective, grow and prosper. It's up to us individuals to provide the good-will and heart. How much have you personally anomalously donated this year?

I happen to teach business ethics and social responsibility and you are correct that the economic model says that not only do corporations have no responsibility for charity, but they have a fiduciary duty to stockholders to not donate so that they can provide the greatest return on investment.

However, there are also a number of competing views. In the philanthropic view, corporations can decide to do good, just like individuals can. And stockholders can move their money from those (or to those) based on how they feel about the company's social giving.

And when philanthropy is done for reputational reasons, even the hard core economic adherents will approve of donations.

And it sounds like your business classes were taken a few years ago. The thinking that the only responsibility that companies have is to their stockholders is extremely outdated. Try googling the stakeholder theory of management for something a little more modern.

And not that it would have any bearing on my point but I give a sizable percentage of my income (and my time) to charitable causes. And it hurts me way more than Steve Jobs would have been hurt by anything he did (of which we have no knowledge that he did any), since my donations do prevent me from buying some things that I want.

And yes, it is possible that he was such a great guy that he donated in secret, but if Kevin Durant can't give away money with out people knowing, what's the likelihood that Steve Jobs did it.
 
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Is this a back handed way of appeasing the Chinese government? I haven't seen Apple publically donate towards other disasters in countries that aren't key markets or is that just me being way too synical.

As Apple is an investor and therefore a suppoter of the Israeli regime reeking so much death and destruction right now, I would suggest that Apple also donates a substantial sum to the emergency fund for Gaza at http://www.dec.org.uk/

Phillipines is a key market?
There's some links at the bottom of the article showing previous aid of Apple's involvement.
 
Is this a back handed way of appeasing the Chinese government? I haven't seen Apple publically donate towards other disasters in countries that aren't key markets or is that just me being way too synical.

As Apple is an investor and therefore a suppoter of the Israeli regime reeking so much death and destruction right now, I would suggest that Apple also donates a substantial sum to the emergency fund for Gaza at http://www.dec.org.uk/

The website you linked to mentioned this fact: Before the crisis 80% of people in Gaza were dependent on aid.

How about the oil rich nations over there take care their brothers & sisters? Why should Apple get involved in Middle East politics?
 
The website you linked to mentioned this fact: Before the crisis 80% of people in Gaza were dependent on aid.

How about the oil rich nations over there take care their brothers & sisters? Why should Apple get involved in Middle East politics?

Where do you think the bulk of that existing aid comes from? It comes from neighbouring Arab states.

Why is it politics to give a donation to the Gaza appeal? The aid goes to help support ordinary people who are caught up in an impossible situation.

I would say that Apple is already involved in this mess through their recent acquisition of an Israeli tech company. The taxes these employees pay goes to fund Israeli bombs which they use to kill children seeking shelter in a UN school.
 
That's beside the point. The fact that you think they "donated" is mind boggling. Do you honestly think this was a humanitarian act from Apples end? Absolutely not. They're essentially paying $1.6 million to increase global sales, not because they care about those affected by the earth quake.

Your warped perspective is more mind-boggling. Sad.
 
It goes to show how compassionate Apple is, even to those whose government allows blatant coping of products and according to recent rumors have blocked purchase of Apple products with public funds.

Let's hope that the money came from the offshore coffers or that the onshore tax benefits justify using onshore funds.


Of course this has nothing to do with China being one of the biggest consumers of Apple's products. No big corporations donates purely out of the goodness of their hearts.

As for blocking the purchase of Apple's funds, that's the equivalent of the US government going all Blackberries instead of iPhones. Doesn't seem to be that much of a deal to me.
 
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Apple donated $2.5M to the Red Cross after hurricane Sandy. What manufacturing ties do they have to New York and New Jersey?

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I guess people think being cynical makes them look cool. God forbid they say something positive about Cook/Apple because then someone might refer to them as a fanboy or kool-aid drinker.

And if it were Google or Microsoft, all things being equal?

I guess people think being hypocritical makes them look cool. God forbid they say something positive about anybody but Apple because then someone might refer to them as cynical or a troll. :rolleyes:
 
Most likely will end up in the higher leader's pocket. The only way to help in China is to send a team to help.
 
agreed.....i hope it does save some lives. :)

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I guess it is a good thing most people didn't feel like you over the course of our country's history......Our country might not exist......

There's a difference between being proud to be a free American and patriotism. Patriotism is watered down nationalism, both of which are constructs designed to make people blindly follow structures of power while slowly eroding consent from beneath them, case in point, Guantanamo and the NSA/Patriot Act fiasco. I'm proud to be an American, and I'm proud to be freer than 90% of the earth's inhabitants. I'm not proud of the things my government does without my consent, so I will not give them the delight of my blind allegiance.

There's also a good chance our country would exist, as evidenced by Canada and India as well as Australia and New Zealand's independence. In fact, we were the only British colony to start a revolution over our independence. All the others just waited patiently and eventually they got what they wanted. Gandhi did not kill a single man in his quest for India's independence, with regards to revolutions, civil disobedience is always more effective in the long run.
 
There's a difference between being proud to be a free American and patriotism. Patriotism is watered down nationalism, both of which are constructs designed to make people blindly follow structures of power while slowly eroding consent from beneath them, case in point, Guantanamo and the NSA/Patriot Act fiasco. I'm proud to be an American, and I'm proud to be freer than 90% of the earth's inhabitants. I'm not proud of the things my government does without my consent, so I will not give them the delight of my blind allegiance.

There's also a good chance our country would exist, as evidenced by Canada and India as well as Australia and New Zealand's independence. In fact, we were the only British colony to start a revolution over our independence. All the others just waited patiently and eventually they got what they wanted. Gandhi did not kill a single man in his quest for India's independence, with regards to revolutions, civil disobedience is always more effective in the long run.
World War one and 2 if weren't for American patriotism...........nuff said
 
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