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Apple Making It Harder to Avoid Nagging macOS Update Notifications
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I received complaints a while back of an employee that kept on using Facebook on company property, and was asked to come up with a technical solution because a business one would not happen. I went into the hosts file, and defined www.facebook.com as 127.0.0.1 and that killed off Facebook with one simple step on that computer.
My Orchard (collection of Macs) are running Sierra or High Sierra. We have 32 bit stuff hanging around, and that won't change for a while. I wish that Apple would continue to update established systems 5 levels back... as computers are tools, and we are not going to upgrade them annually. El Cap was a nice operating system, and I wish that it continued to receive updates.
Professional people don't need a new OS annually. Stability needs to be the primary focus. And yes, if Apple continues to turn into Micro$oft, I will transform my Orchard into a Penguin Colony.
Get rid of the Touch Bar mandate. MagSafe. User swap hard drive and battery. Proper MacBook Pro cooling.
Make Apple Great Again.
My Orchard (collection of Macs) are running Sierra or High Sierra. We have 32 bit stuff hanging around, and that won't change for a while. I wish that Apple would continue to update established systems 5 levels back... as computers are tools, and we are not going to upgrade them annually. El Cap was a nice operating system, and I wish that it continued to receive updates.
Professional people don't need a new OS annually. Stability needs to be the primary focus. And yes, if Apple continues to turn into Micro$oft, I will transform my Orchard into a Penguin Colony.
Get rid of the Touch Bar mandate. MagSafe. User swap hard drive and battery. Proper MacBook Pro cooling.
Make Apple Great Again.
"Apple wants as many users as possible to upgrade their Macs with all of the most recent operating system updates"
Well:
1. Let me run Catalina on my Mac Pro 5,1, otherwise it's kinda hard to run "the most recent operating system updates"
2. Let me run the Dashboard.app on Catalina, otherwise I won't install Catalina in the first place
Well:
1. Let me run Catalina on my Mac Pro 5,1, otherwise it's kinda hard to run "the most recent operating system updates"
2. Let me run the Dashboard.app on Catalina, otherwise I won't install Catalina in the first place
Now it lies to one simple question: will Apple exist in the next 20 years? I don’t know, though 20 years in tech world is essentially eternity.What’s really hilarious is that 20 years from now, today’s 20 year old’s will be saying that THESE days were when Apple was at their best with the finest emoji’s best function reduced software to play around their face with and so on.
And, it’ll keep cycling every 20 years or so.
This here, is why I am so confused about people saying Windows will not warn you and just restart. There has been the option to delay security updates for at least a month and feature updates for up to a year.
My guess is that the people saying this are not familiar with the 'Advanced' section of Windows Updates
As someone who is a patching and updates admin, I know there is a decent amount of control over Windows Updates
not to mention group policies that can effectively eliminate windows update from downloading in the first place, much like Windows 7/XP era. macOS never have such utility publicly available.
At this point, I’m assuming the 32-bit stuff you have hanging around is macOS (or you would have dumped those long ago). Does it even matter if you switch everything out now or not? I mean, you’re not buying anything new so it’s not like Apple’s gonna get any new money from you. Plus, might as well save the money on buying new PC rigs and just run those Macs until they die.
Because everyone has known for years Apple’s getting worse and worse, this isn’t really a surprise by this point.
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My prediction? Apple will, the Mac will absolutely not.
Wow. There are a fair number of us who still use software that will be broken (intentionally) by this upgrade. My own apps that I coded 18 years ago may be my own fault, but I don't have time to go back and redo what is already working. Similarly, I have tens of thousands of photos that live quite happily in Aperture. While I give credit to them for extending use of a program that was abandoned a decade ago, I similarly don't have time to migrate everything into a new environment; setting aside the problem that no other program does what I use so easily. All this led me to get a souped up iMac before Catalina was imposed, with full intent of running it sans upgrade for as long as I could
I feel like they're trying to tell me to do something anatomically improbable to myself.
Does anyone else miss Apple Computer, Inc, back when that's what they sold rather than a lifestyle?
Stay healthy, all!
I feel like they're trying to tell me to do something anatomically improbable to myself.
Does anyone else miss Apple Computer, Inc, back when that's what they sold rather than a lifestyle?
Stay healthy, all!
Personally it’s controllable, but if your only Windows device is company provided, then they set it up how they see fit. They could force an upgrade (hope you’ve saved your docs), they could give you a gentle reminder then, one day, jut prevent you from VPN’ing in until you upgrade, stuff like that.
Yeah, but again, that device is company managed. So I’d expect that level of enforced upgrade happen. There are a whole slew of policy settings designed for Windows update to Fine tune its behaviour beyond a few buttons in settings app. I’d also guess IT manager in the company would be transparent to employees regarding update policies. As long as Microsoft don’t do such management for masses except windows insider and maybe Windows 10 Home users, I’m ok.
That’s my guess, at least, as to why Shad0wLandsUK is confused. Windows 10 appears to have a widely granular upgrade process but some folks are using a system that’s being administered by someone else that appears to be far more strict.
Actually, I know several PC users who have switched to Linux because of Windows 10 doing this. I had been laughing my socks off at them, because they had always told me that Apple was evil. Now, I can't laugh at them any more.
More and more I'm starting to think I may have no choice but to jump to Linux my self at some point. Thanks for nothing Apple.
The Windows 10 machines where I work were still doing this before the lockdown.
What happens if you're in hospital, hooked up to a machine that's keeping you alive, and suddenly it updates and restarts?
What if you're in an aircraft approaching a busy airport, and Air Traffic Control goes down because Windows has automatically restarted their machines?
Can Microsoft be charged with homicide for every resulting death?
Can they be charged with attempted homicide for everybody who this happens to, but survives?
As a Mac admin for a few dozen clients, I can see Apple's logic with this. From a security standpoint, it's a good idea to keep them updated but you do need to be mindful of third-party applications/drivers.
An MDM can currently block the Software Update System Preferences pane, so you can currently still run a command to delete a certain plist and, so long as the user doesn't run a software update check (which they can't as we block the pane and Terminal), they'll never be notified of updates. Apple may not deprecate this aspect of the MDM framework as 90-day deferrals don't really cut it in the enterprise world and especially not in the edu world, where often our clients are on last year's OS so the bugs are fully ironed-out.
An MDM can currently block the Software Update System Preferences pane, so you can currently still run a command to delete a certain plist and, so long as the user doesn't run a software update check (which they can't as we block the pane and Terminal), they'll never be notified of updates. Apple may not deprecate this aspect of the MDM framework as 90-day deferrals don't really cut it in the enterprise world and especially not in the edu world, where often our clients are on last year's OS so the bugs are fully ironed-out.
I think there’s a number of things at play here:
1) I’ve ran Catalina betas daily since WWDC 2019. I have not experienced any experience-changing bugs. I’ve encountered bugs here and there, but none of them change the Catalina experience for me. If you have a bug that’s reproducible, make sure you file it using Feedback Assistant (feedbackassistant.apple.com or use the Feedback Assistant app).
2) In this day and age of technology, security is a huge must. The most popular scams these days are hacking into un-protected systems. I think this is why they are depreciating ignoring updates. For most users, they want robust security without doing any work to get it. That’s why this could be a good change.
3) Rumors point to a new way of software testing within Apple that allows testers to disable features they deem to be buggy in order to see how those features affect the OS stability. Apple is late here, but by moving to automatic updates it makes me think they solved their quality control issues internally due to this method.
1) I’ve ran Catalina betas daily since WWDC 2019. I have not experienced any experience-changing bugs. I’ve encountered bugs here and there, but none of them change the Catalina experience for me. If you have a bug that’s reproducible, make sure you file it using Feedback Assistant (feedbackassistant.apple.com or use the Feedback Assistant app).
2) In this day and age of technology, security is a huge must. The most popular scams these days are hacking into un-protected systems. I think this is why they are depreciating ignoring updates. For most users, they want robust security without doing any work to get it. That’s why this could be a good change.
3) Rumors point to a new way of software testing within Apple that allows testers to disable features they deem to be buggy in order to see how those features affect the OS stability. Apple is late here, but by moving to automatic updates it makes me think they solved their quality control issues internally due to this method.
If you don't use pirated software or Hackintosh, macOS Catalina is absolutely fine.
Well, judging from the reports of sleep-crashing 16“ MBPs, excessive powerdraw on mentioned machines when connected to external monitors: it seems 👆🏻is a pretty arrogant statement.
Accusing those who encounter issues of using pirated software is nothing but insulting and absolutely uncalled for!
And: its factually wrong as well. Total rubbish actually
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As i said, the only way is to disable "Check for updates" and everything... People seem like they 'want' to get annoyed.
Not for everyone,but at least you have more control,, it won't automatically do anything in the background either. People just like the automated approach.. I like the manual one
even a better case not to install Security Update 2020-003.. It has major graphic glitches with VMWare fusion on Intel HD Graphcs 6000, but lets just add this other one to the list as "better idea"
Not for everyone,but at least you have more control,, it won't automatically do anything in the background either. People just like the automated approach.. I like the manual one
even a better case not to install Security Update 2020-003.. It has major graphic glitches with VMWare fusion on Intel HD Graphcs 6000, but lets just add this other one to the list as "better idea"
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I frequently connect my Apple devices including a Macbook Pro running Catalina to a mobile satellite data wifi network in an aircraft. I need connectivity when in the air. The data is very expensive per MB and quite slow (Inmarsat SwiftBB). I hope this does not mean I am going to get a clogged up and even slower connection and a hefty bill when my laptop tries to check for and download the latest and greatest updates that I don’t need. Not everyone has a permanent connection to fast internet with an unlimited data plan. What I actually need is more control over what background data is being used not less. How is this going to work?
There's a HUGE thread over on the Apple Support Communities in regard to a bug in the sleep/wake process and the way it handles SSDs. Big battery drain issues because of it - system resets after opening the display - all of which were not and are not present in Mojave. I've since downgraded to Mojave and was disappointed to see that they've removed the terminal command to hide Catalina updates. To be fair, I DO run Catalina on my iMac and have no issues with it in that particular environment, however, it's not ready for the battery powered devices just yet
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Go into System Preferences > Software Update > Uncheck "Automatically keep my Mac up to date..." it will ask if you'd like to turn off Automatic Updates (not recommended...) choose Turn Off Automatic Updates and then click "Advanced" and uncheck the remaining boxes for "Check for updates..." "Download new updates when avaialable..." and "Install system data files and security updates..." Click OK